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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on August 29, 2018, 05:46:03 AM
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Marcone wanted Dresden to work for him, and it didn't work out. He eventually got Gard. As talented as she is, she still isn't a wizard who has access to different forms of power. Do you think that Marcone may have a wizard on his payroll? If so, who? I'm wondering if Elaine could be.
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Marcone wanted Dresden to work for him, and it didn't work out. He eventually got Gard. As talented as she is, she still isn't a wizard who has access to different forms of power. Do you think that Marcone may have a wizard on his payroll? If so, who? I'm wondering if Elaine could be.
I am sure that he tried, and we may eventually find out that he did...
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Marcone would have whoever he thought he might need. The question is why would he need one?
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It's certainly possible.
However, I don't see anything to suggest he has -- while Gard might not have the on-the-fly abilities that Harry does, her rune magic seems capable of doing anything else Marcone needs.
Plus, if he had a wizard on the payroll, one would think he or she would've come up as a mention in Even Hand, which has Marcone going through a specifically anti-wizard scenario.
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I personally think recruiting a full-time wizard isn't exceptionally likely for Marcone for most of the story. Its generally been pointed out that Wizards are 1) extremely rare (I think the estimates are only in the hundreds for 6 to 7 billion humans) 2) long lived and 3) have many avenues for accumulating personal wealth. Working as protection for a human crime boss seems like a very poor proposition. While I'm sure remuneration would be good in such a role for your average human being, its probably not that much for a wizard. Tack onto that the possibility of being killed and unable to take action against the threats as freely as you'd like (being mortal humans). Random consulting is a different story, altogether. Another option would be to grab a non-wizard magic user, which Gard is. They will be more numerous, less options for personal advancement, and not expecting to live forever (hyperbole). Now, in the current timeline of the story, perhaps working for Baron Marcone is a different proposition altogether.
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I also think that a White Council wizard would be sort-of expected to at least say hi to the local Warden commander.
Who is Harry Dresden, and would look dimly on any wizard shacking up with Marcone. And who is one of the scarier wizards alive.
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I also think that a White Council wizard would be sort-of expected to at least say hi to the local Warden commander.
Who is Harry Dresden, and would look dimly on any wizard shacking up with Marcone. And who is one of the scarier wizards alive.
Well that is why I suggested Elaine. As far as I know she is avoiding the Council, or might even be unknown to them? Marcone as a signatory of the Accords may be able to offer her some protection, at a cost. She knows Harry, and his magic, another big bonus to Marcone. Marcone became the protector of Chicago when Harry was shot, and is probably allied with the paranet which could have been how he would learn of her.
It's just theory, and thought it would be a fun topic since the forums seem a little quiet.
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If Marcone HAD hired a wizard, it's the kind of thing you'd think he'd have mentioned when talking about a variety of other magical defenses he had in Even Hand.
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If Marcone HAD hired a wizard, it's the kind of thing you'd think he'd have mentioned when talking about a variety of other magical defenses he had in Even Hand.
Even Hand was before Changes. A lot has happened since then.
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If there was a wizard in Chicago, the fomor wouldn't be such a problem.
Yes, a lot could have happened. But we've seen nothing to suggest it has
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Well that is why I suggested Elaine. As far as I know she is avoiding the Council, or might even be unknown to them? Marcone as a signatory of the Accords may be able to offer her some protection, at a cost. She knows Harry, and his magic, another big bonus to Marcone. Marcone became the protector of Chicago when Harry was shot, and is probably allied with the paranet which could have been how he would learn of her.
It's just theory, and thought it would be a fun topic since the forums seem a little quiet.
Elaine has gone to shady people for protection in the past (Summer, possibly Cowl if she's Kumori). A situation like hers may be the only way to convince a wizard to sign on for Team Baron Marcone. Someone like Elaine, or Hanna Ascher (who may or may not have had a wizard-level talent before picking up Lassie), for example. Personally, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a wizard who's willing to do work like that, when most of the ones we've seen A) don't want to work for anyone but themselves, or B) don't have to work for anyone unless they're pursuing a specific goal that requires allies. Even then, I'd imagine it'd be temporary.
Still, it's possible that Marcone has found one. However, I think it'd be far more likely that Marcone would try to find a wizard child, one who was particularly vulnerable (say, like Harry and Elaine were—orphans, confused, alone, destitute) to raise. Doing so would provide the benefit of a wizard ally in the future, and would fit Marcone's history of going out of his way to protect kids.
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How would Marcone even know about Elaine?
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How would Marcone even know about Elaine?
His current bootycall was part of a group that Elaine was hired to help.
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Fair point.
Though she's not necessarily going to be sharing that info with him. What with her trying to have him kidnapped and tortured. Or maybe she will.
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Fair point.
Though she's not necessarily going to be sharing that info with him. What with her trying to have him kidnapped and tortured. Or maybe she will.
Could be. She's a little off.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Marcone kept tabs on her to some extent or another.
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I'm still wondering how Marcone found Dresden. I mean he advertised himself as a wizard but who would take that seriously? Also I don't remember if it's said in the books but how did he meet up with Vadderung?
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I don't think we know how fully, but Marcone had his own exposure to the supernatural world before meeting Harry. Enough to know about the soulgaze going in, for example. So the main question re: Harry then would be whether or not Harry was a real wizard, not whether or not wizards exist.
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Yeah, Marcone totally had a supernatural source somewhere pre-series that set him onto Harry:
"They say that you're the real thing, Mister Dresden. A real magus."
"They also say I'm nutty as a fruitcake."
"I choose which 'they' I listen to very carefully," Marcone said. "Think about what I've said, Mister Dresden? I do not think our respective lines of work need overlap often. I would as soon not make an enemy of you over this matter."
Not that we have any Idea who it is though. My guess is that he found them while Turning over stones to find out about who the Group (Red Court) were that were making inroads into Chicago at the time.
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Yeah, Marcone totally had a supernatural source somewhere pre-series that set him onto Harry:
Not that we have any Idea who it is though. My guess is that he found them while Turning over stones to find out about who the Group (Red Court) were that were making inroads into Chicago at the time.
Maybe some cops on Marcone's payroll who'd seen Dresden working passed the word along. Jim may have just left it open as a mystery but I'd like to think we find out later that Marcone had known about the supernatural for a while, and had been poking around.
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I agree, Marcone definitely had prior knowledge and/or experience.
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JB has never said magic was invisible, simply that people didn't want to see it. Valmont educated herself after running into the Denarians.
"Since monsters killed my two best friends." She shrugged a shoulder. "I made it my business to learn. I was sort of startled (by) how easy it was. No one really seems to spend all that much effort truly hiding from humanity." "There's no need to," I said. "Most people don't want to know, (and) wouldn't believe it if you showed them."
My corrections to the text noted by parentheses and color.
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JB has never said magic was invisible, simply that people didn't want to see it. Valmont educated herself after running into the Denarians.My corrections to the text noted by parentheses and color.
Exactly... People will convince themselves that it was an illusion, or delusion, or a nightmare ect.
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I'm still wondering how Marcone found Dresden. I mean he advertised himself as a wizard but who would take that seriously? Also I don't remember if it's said in the books but how did he meet up with Vadderung?
I don't think either was ever explained. If I remember correctly Marcone took Harry for a ride so
to speak, and knew of him by his reputation, but that wasn't explained.. Harry did know Marcone by
his though and his attempt at a withering soul gaze backfired. How Marcone met Vadderung was
never explained either, except he was maybe a signer of the Accords by that time.
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I don't think either was ever explained. If I remember correctly Marcone took Harry for a ride so
to speak, and knew of him by his reputation, but that wasn't explained.. Harry did know Marcone by
his though and his attempt at a withering soul gaze backfired. How Marcone met Vadderung was
never explained either, except he was maybe a signer of the Accords by that time.
Marcone only became an accord member after white night. It was probably Marcones competition and conflict with the red court that drew Vadderungs attention and the red court certainly made it necessary for Marcone to seek supernatural assistence and Vadderung does provide that for money which is better than a fairy deal.
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Monoc is probably a multinational corporation. It's probably got a fairly prominent public face, so someone like Marcone who apparently knows how to read the lines probably didn't have much trouble finding out about them. They probably don't do much to outright hide that they're supernatural, even if they would hide the exact nature of their boss.
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Monoc is probably a multinational corporation. It's probably got a fairly prominent public face, so someone like Marcone who apparently knows how to read the lines probably didn't have much trouble finding out about them. They probably don't do much to outright hide that they're supernatural, even if they would hide the exact nature of their boss.
This is just a guess that has no evidence behind it besides Marcone getting involved with the Supernatural. He may have a friend, associate, family member or someone that is a source of information that has enabled him to find Vadderung, and Dresden. Heck Vadderung may have been the one who sent Marcone to Dresden. Maybe during his time in the military he met someone? I really do hope Jim has it planned out, and it wasn't just happenstance.
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I'd bet it was Bianca that clued him in, by accident. I imagine something like, Bianca sets up shop in town, Marcone sends someone to make a deal with her of some kind, whatever passes for a welcome wagon among organized crime.
Bianca leans on the vampire powers to scare the guy off, expecting that he will just tell his boss that there's no deal and to back off, and that even if he goes to Marcone and goes, "They're goddamn vampires, John," Marcone obviously won't believe him. If she's lucky, Marcone himself will come by to do the job "properly" and she can enthrall him.
Instead, though, Marcone listens to his freaked out lieutenant and decides to look seriously into what he's saying instead.
That's how I imagine it, anyway.
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Perhaps prior to Death Masks, Marcone pursued an alternative mystical solution to helping Amanda Beckitt? Perhaps he sought out some hedge wizards or faith users or necromancers and encountered the real thing and this helped clue him in?
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Marcone wanted Dresden to work for him, and it didn't work out. He eventually got Gard. As talented as she is, she still isn't a wizard who has access to different forms of power. Do you think that Marcone may have a wizard on his payroll? If so, who? I'm wondering if Elaine could be.
He does have a wizard on his payroll. Known for a wide-brimmed pointed hat, a beard, even an eye patch.
Good by the name Vaderrung.
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He does have a wizard on his payroll. Known for a wide-brimmed pointed hat, a beard, even an eye patch.
Good by the name Vaderrung.
Ummmm I wouldn't say he's on Marcone's payroll... Pretty sure he's above Marcone's pay grade.
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Ummmm I wouldn't say he's on Marcone's payroll... Pretty sure he's above Marcone's pay grade.
Yeah, more of an "associate" at times in the sense that they might work together occasionally.. However I seriously doubt that Vadderung is on anyone's payroll..
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Or contractor. Marcone is very much not Vadderung's boss. He may pay him for services rendered, but Vadderung always has the option of telling Marcone to go screw. Hell, Marcone isn't even Gard's boss. That's still Vadderung.
Basically the difference between working with and working for.
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Yeah, more of an "associate" at times in the sense that they might work together occasionally.. However I seriously doubt that Vadderung is on anyone's payroll..
He is on Mab's payroll. As Kringle.