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Other Jimness => The Butcher Block => Episode Archive => Topic started by: iago on February 09, 2007, 07:39:03 PM
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Download the podcast here (http://media.libsyn.com/media/butcherblock/BB005_-_Doomboxes_and_Deadly_Door.mp3)
(40min 30sec) Fred returns to talk about the first two episodes of the TV show, hints at some upcoming news about White Night, fails to get Jim on the line due to a deadline, and touches on his experience at Dreamation 2007. Plus, he sits down with Dresden Files RPG co-author Rob Donoghue to talk about the Dresden Files on TV.
The Music:- The PodSafe Music Network: http://music.podshow.com
- 2006 Pl@stic Soul: http://tinyurl.com/y6k69q
- .22: http://tinyurl.com/tel5v
Gaming:- Dreamation: http://www.dexposure.com/d2007.html
- Indie Games Explosion: http://community.livejournal.com/ige/
- Indie Press Revolution: http://www.indiepressrevolution.com/
Dresden Files:- White Night Info Page: http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/9/
- The TV Show: http://www.thedresdenfiles.com/
Conversation with Rob Donoghue:- Spirit of the Century: http://www.evilhat.com/?spirit
- The Dresden Files RPG: http://www.dresdenfilesrpg.com/
- Monk: http://www.usanetwork.com/series/monk/
- Psych: http://www.usanetwork.com/series/psych/
- Blade Runner: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/
- Heroes: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/
- Lost: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index
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Fred, check your BBCode. The link to download the 'cast is broken, redirecting to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/
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Wow, I haven't been thrilled with the first two episodes - didn't hate them or the changes necessarily - just thought they were week. BUT, when you said that bit about Babylon 5 that stopped me in my tracks. The first season of Babylon 5 is pretty weak - there is some good stuff for sure, and it lays down important ground work for the future seasons - but yeah, it's weak. I tend to forget that when I think about Babylon 5 - so, excellent point!
But I'd watch the show regardless. I'm just a big Harry geek through and through.
wlg
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Fred, check your BBCode. The link to download the 'cast is broken, redirecting to http://www.w3.org/Protocols/
Link's fixed. Thanks!
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Wow, I haven't been thrilled with the first two episodes - didn't hate them or the changes necessarily - just thought they were week. BUT, when you said that bit about Babylon 5 that stopped me in my tracks. The first season of Babylon 5 is pretty weak - there is some good stuff for sure, and it lays down important ground work for the future seasons - but yeah, it's weak. I tend to forget that when I think about Babylon 5 - so, excellent point!
Oh, trust me, I have a lot of fondness for season 1 all the same ... but yeah, it did not open as strong as I would have wanted. :)
And honestly I suspect we won't have to wait for all that many more episodes before we see something awesome, with the Dresden TV show... but we'll have to see. My hopes for Hair of the Dog are up, at least.
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Wow, I haven't been thrilled with the first two episodes - didn't hate them or the changes necessarily - just thought they were week. BUT, when you said that bit about Babylon 5 that stopped me in my tracks. The first season of Babylon 5 is pretty weak - there is some good stuff for sure, and it lays down important ground work for the future seasons - but yeah, it's weak. I tend to forget that when I think about Babylon 5 - so, excellent point!
Oh, trust me, I have a lot of fondness for season 1 all the same ... but yeah, it did not open as strong as I would have wanted. :)
And honestly I suspect we won't have to wait for all that many more episodes before we see something awesome, with the Dresden TV show... but we'll have to see. My hopes for Hair of the Dog are up, at least.
It's funny actually, I had a friend telling me that I needed to watch Babylon 5 and that it was a "fantastic" show. So I tuned in and it was a first season episode called...<pause for a quick internet search>...Infection. That's the one with an archaeologist that smuggles ancient artifacts onto the station, unleashing a living weapon. I seriously hated this episode. I thought my friend was crazy. The next time I saw it was in the second season because of Bruce Boxleitner - it was the techno-mage episode and that hooked me. I did go back and watch the first season later and appreciated it more. It became one of my all time favorite shows.
But Dresden - I did think the second episode was an approvement over the first. If each episode keeps getting better then this will shape up to be a fantastic show.
Here's hoping!
wlg
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Good podcast. I got to the end of the show before I realized it.
A once a week show might be a bit much anyway, even if you could easily dedicate 20% of your time. You might even feel rushed in preparation. I'd rather listen to a less frequent show over one that feels like work.
Just curious though. I'd noted the doorknob bite scene in another thread myself. Are our minds working alike here? I know I didn't watch the show as soon as most people did. Someone else may have mentioned it before I did. Or was your opinion on the scene changed by my ripping on it?
Wait, does Fred even read the forum here?
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Just curious though. I'd noted the doorknob bite scene in another thread myself. Are our minds working alike here? I know I didn't watch the show as soon as most people did. Someone else may have mentioned it before I did. Or was your opinion on the scene changed by my ripping on it?
They're more working alike than anything else. I didn't based my opinion on anything I read on the forum.
Wait, does Fred even read the forum here?
Yes, I do. :)
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Another interesting podcast. Fred, you seem to be getting more comfortable as you go along. A nice interview. :)
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Just curious though. I'd noted the doorknob bite scene in another thread myself. Are our minds working alike here? I know I didn't watch the show as soon as most people did. Someone else may have mentioned it before I did. Or was your opinion on the scene changed by my ripping on it?
They're more working alike than anything else. I didn't based my opinion on anything I read on the forum.
Wait, does Fred even read the forum here?
Yes, I do. :)
Well, it's not like I was looking for credit or anything. I'm just happy I'm not the only one who didn't like the doorknob bit.
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Well, it's not like I was looking for credit or anything. I'm just happy I'm not the only one who didn't like the doorknob bit.
It was specifically called out by Entertainment Weekly as a "child-obvious plot point" weeks before the episode actually aired. That doorknob's a problem all over, even for folks who like the show (like me). :)
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Well, it's not like I was looking for credit or anything. I'm just happy I'm not the only one who didn't like the doorknob bit.
It was specifically called out by Entertainment Weekly as a "child-obvious plot point" weeks before the episode actually aired. That doorknob's a problem all over, even for folks who like the show (like me). :)
Ah, well, I never read reviews. I don't buy the newspaper, nor do I get such things as Entertainment Weekly. Those things are good ways to ruin tv.
I never trust a man who says he doesn't watch tv.
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Darn, does that mean I have to cancel the mob that was going to decend on Fred'a house and demand a new podcast? ;D I mean, you know how expensive torches and pitchforks are these days?? :P
I'll give it a listen ASAP.
Craig
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Very good episode, Fred! It was understandable that Jim couldn't add his voice (I wondered about that when I saw the post about his looming deadline), and I greatly enjoyed the replacement you brought on board.
What you guys said made a lot of sense, and I liked the comparison with Babylon 5. The X-Files is another show that took several episodes to gain its footing. I also liked your use of audio clips from the episode (for obvious reasons), especially the Pervy!Bob montage, then Rob's comment about "the adventures of Harry and the dirty old man."
Also, being the great Molly fan I am, I would definitely read/watch a Michael spinoff. That would be so cool. Too bad Jim has so many other awesome ideas for new series, and he wouldn't find the time to write it until he was at least 274 years old. :D
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I'm a huge fan of the books, and likewise beginning to be a fan of both the television series and the podcasts. I say, beginning, because I'm finding that I like the television series more and more the
further into things we get -- and of course, once I got over the initial reaction of OMG! This isn't
the books I love! Despite, having read months before that it would be a different storyline universe
than the books. Stupid fanaticism. :(
However, I was disappointed by two things in the latest podcast. A minor disappointment was the
large use of sound clips from the television show. While they seemed to be largely in referrence to
discussion at hand. The clips were not introduced, and as such to my stuck-in-the-mud ears,
appeared to interrupt the flow of the conversation rather than to accent or highlight it.
The second disappointment, and one which I'm anxiously awaiting to be addressed, was the lack of
information relayed reguarding the Dresden Files RPG. Without Jim or a weekly episode, combined
with Fred's fresh gaming stories and Rob's participation -- it would have, IMNSHO, made an excellent
episode to discuss how development of the RPG is coming along beyond the conjuring of a stat sheet
for the shield bracelet. I understand the need and desire to avoid disclosing too much about a work
in progress with the inevitable changes, copyright concerns -- not to mention keeping the public
hungry enough to still make the purchase once it's released! Still, I think it would have been
entertaining at least to hear about what sort of scenarios have been utilized with any play testing
performed so far.
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If I didn't have two TV shows to talk about, the RPG would have gotten more of a feature. But as it is, the show was 40 minutes long, which is near to my maximum length limit (I won't exceed 45 minutes if I can help it). Rob will be on in the future to talk more about the game, regardless.
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I really liked the podcast, and agree that you are getting better.
I like the use of sound bytes and guests. I, frankly, don't want to listen to a 40 minute monologue, so the use of interviews and limited sound clips (from TV, the audio books, etc) are a nice addition.
Thanks!
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I, frankly, don't want to listen to a 40 minute monologue, so the use of interviews and limited sound clips (from TV, the audio books, etc) are a nice addition.
I don't want a 40 minute monologue either. Whenever a show is just-me, it's going to fall closer to the 20 minute mark.
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That was a really great podcast!! ;D
You guys made a lot of great points. My friend, who watches the series and read the books, was complaining that her one gripe was that there wasn't enough snark. But you're right - skull Bob on TV making dirty comments would be really skeevy.
Also, I agree with you that the special effects are really good - even though there's no huge bang.
:D
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Well, now I know what a podcast is. (Very new apprentice.)
Yes, there are differences between book and tv. First, I wondered if JB had intended for tv writers to explore two or three years before first book. That way they wouldn't step on his plot line until he could advance it further in the books. Your podcast explained pilot had to be redone, so now that makes sense.
I'm surprised both of you think Harry is like book Harry. Book Harry is more deadpan, geeky, "shambles" when he walks. TV Harry is more wisecracking gumshoe, with a *very* mobile face, mercurial, with shiny dark eyes. I think they are alike in humor and deep desire to avoid sentimentality. It's a good translation from book to tv, but translation is not same as original.
Bob is great, Bob is wonderful, Bob is a huge improvement over the leering smartass skull in book. To have a talking skull would be too cartoony. Where does this endless stream of British (he is Brit, right?) character actors come from? My husband has not read the books, doesn't like the show much, but thinks Bob is great. And what a gig! He can be over the top and still be perfect.
Eewe! Did Harry have to fall for redheaded werewolf? SUCH a chump where women are concerned--just like the book.
Big challenge: who could they possibly cast as Michael? As Lasciel? Wow! Can't wait!
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Well, now I know what a podcast is. (Very new apprentice.)
Where does this endless stream of British (he is Brit, right?) character actors come from?
Strangely enough, most of the British character actors come from Britain, where there is a certain theatrical tradition, you know Shakespeare, Marlowe, Pinter etc..., not to mention the Old Vic, the New Vic, and the Royal Shakespeare Company. ;)
Though I must admit my favourite British character actor, Spike in Angel and Buffy was played by an American (James Marsters) AND he got the accent well, (with the help of Tony Head who is really British ;D)
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<snip> TV Harry ... with a *very* mobile face, mercurial, with shiny dark eyes.
....................*swoon*.......... I'm sorry, you were saying? :D (I have to "fangirl" once in a while, or my head would explode.)
Bob is great, Bob is wonderful, Bob <Bob Bob Bob. LOL> Where does this endless stream of British (he is Brit, right?) character actors come from?
Well, that particular "British character actor" came from Kentucky. LOL! I love it. First, I finally get into House - Englishman Hugh Laurie doing an American accent. Then I find Dresden, where not only do we have Englishman Paul Blackthorne doing an American accent, but Kentucky native Terrence Mann doing an English accent! Enough to give one a headache if one thinks about it too hard. (I had an instant like for Paul. I shouldn't have been surprised when I found out he's English, considering I have a weak spot for them.)
Strangely enough, most of the British character actors come from Britain, where there is a certain theatrical tradition, you know Shakespeare, Marlowe, Pinter etc..., not to mention the Old Vic, the New Vic, and the Royal Shakespeare Company. ;)
*sniggles*
Though I must admit my favourite British character actor, Spike in Angel and Buffy was played by an American (James Marsters) AND he got the accent well, (with the help of Tony Head who is really British ;D)
I agree. I love Spike and was slightly devastated when I found out James Marsters is American. And then, to rub salt in it, I found out "Wesley" was played by an American. Sometimes it's better not to know. ;)
(Edited to correct Terrence's home state.)
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I agree. I love Spike and was slightly devastated when I found out James Marsters is American. And then, to rub salt in it, I found out "Wesley" was played by an American. Sometimes it's better not to know. ;)
Speaking of Americans playing Brits on Buffy, I should have made a recording of Juliet Landau's regular speaking voice at the Buffy panel at NY Comic Con. It's the most un-Drusilla-like voice I've ever heard!