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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on March 23, 2018, 06:48:13 PM
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In the graphic novel Dog Men it was confirmed that the government does at times kill supernatural members of the community... Not just kill but exterminate entire groups. Listen's to Wind's words do indicate that 1. They don't officially exist. 2. They don't know what they are really up against.
The agents within the story do appear to be like the Men in Black in that they don't believe humanity can handle what's really out there.
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Sounds like the X-Files to me.
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Dude, the thread title is literally a spoiler.
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Dude, the thread title is literally a spoiler.
Changed it. Well I mean it wasn't some big secret in the story, it's there pretty much early on so I didn't think it was a huge deal. The spoiler tag was because I included information from Listen's to Wind, the fact that it's more like extermination, the book it was from, and other information.
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The gist is that the MiB exist, and are run by Muggle Supremacists.
That's typical. Why can't the Government ever put non-assholes in charge of these groups?
Seriously though, I actually really liked that in the original Movie the MiB were a bunch of reasonable, relatively normal people that actually should be managing such things instead of the stereotypical fanatics that usually exist in fictional groups like that.
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The gist is that the MiB exist, and are run by Muggle Supremacists.
That's typical. Why can't the Government ever put non-assholes in charge of these groups?
Seriously though, I actually really liked that in the original Movie the MiB were a bunch of reasonable, relatively normal people that actually should be managing such things instead of the stereotypical fanatics that usually exist in fictional groups like that.
Don't look up the original comics, then.
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The gist is that the MiB exist, and are run by Muggle Supremacists.
That's typical. Why can't the Government ever put non-assholes in charge of these groups?
Seriously though, I actually really liked that in the original Movie the MiB were a bunch of reasonable, relatively normal people that actually should be managing such things instead of the stereotypical fanatics that usually exist in fictional groups like that.
We saw a very small glimpse of them. Two agents leading a team. They came on as a pain in the ass but ended up not being too bad. I'd say they felt like a combination of Murphy, and Marcone from the earlier books. They do appear dangerous, and possibly willing to cross the line but also that they are trying to do the right thing.
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Quick question: Where in the time line does Dog Men land? Harry's exposure to government agents aware of and meddling in the supernatural world has definite series impact.
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Quick question: Where in the time line does Dog Men land? Harry's exposure to government agents aware of and meddling in the supernatural world has definite series impact.
After Wild Card but before Changes. Probably not super far before Changes.
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Thanks. May put a new spin on Harry's interactions with Agent Tilly.
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Personally I thought they resembled nobody as much as the Monster Control Bureau from the Monster Hunter International series, but I might just still be disappointed that there wasn't an obvious Dresden reference it Jim's Monster Hunter Files story.
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I might be speaking blasphemy here, but I really didn't like Dog Men.
I didn't like that suddenly Harry has a fiery temper, the story was meant to take place long before he received the Mantle of the Winter Knight but yet here he was getting furiously angry at the drop of a hat.
I also didn't like the government guys and hope they are not intended to represent the 'official' reaction to the supernatural. While a part of me will always been amused by the thought that The Man is incompetent, I prefer that it be kept to the occasional Blues Brothers-style police car pileup. The idea that the width and breadth of the government's task force on monsters is a handful of national guardsmen who walk through the forest shoulder-to-shoulder without even a vague approximation of the right gear for the job.
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I might be speaking blasphemy here, but I really didn't like Dog Men.
I didn't like that suddenly Harry has a fiery temper, the story was meant to take place long before he received the Mantle of the Winter Knight but yet here he was getting furiously angry at the drop of a hat.
Lash did kind of amp up his anger, but in the novels he was supposed to have got a handle on that once he realized he was being influenced.
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I didn't like that suddenly Harry has a fiery temper, the story was meant to take place long before he received the Mantle of the Winter Knight but yet here he was getting furiously angry at the drop of a hat.
Do you remember the little bit of sunshine in Molly's face, or Harry slagging the trash can?
If you'll remember, Harry had been having significant anger issues since he picked up Lasciel's coin. I don't know where 'Dog Men' falls in the timeline, but even without that issue, he's always had a bit of a temper.
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The timeline on the site puts Wild Card between White Night and Turn Coat, which means the imprint that was amplifying his anger should be gone.
But I got the impression that Harry was angry in DoM because of the events in WC, and that he was dealing with the fallout from Puck. That his encounter with Puck was seriously impactful to his psyche.
It doesn't fit all that well with the books, but it's not impossible. When we see him in SmF, he's dealing with the guilt over Lash.
From a story arc perspective, if DT was 2/08, WC was 4/08, and DoM was 6/08, then they could have another comic set in 8/08 that would let him come to terms with all those events before SmF in 11/08. But he'd need closure on Puck, to explain his lack of fixation in SmF.
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What I didn't understand was LtW threatening to report Harry to the Council because he wasn't supposed to break the laws when Harry was expressing anger but hadn't used any magic at all.
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What I didn't understand was LtW threatening to report Harry to the Council because he wasn't supposed to break the laws when Harry was expressing anger but hadn't used any magic at all.
Molly was under the Doom of Damocles at the time, and as her mentor, so was Harry. He was supposed to be responsible for teaching her how to control her magic -- and her emotions, presumably, since magic is tied to emotions.
L2W witnessed Harry on the verge of beating a young man in a Halloween mask. He was in a rage, was out of control, and could have done worse than beat them if things escalated. All because Harry rushed to conclusions.
It may not have been a violation of the Laws, but it was a red flag that Harry wasn't in the right mental state to be training a warlock-in-rehab. And for all L2W knows, Harry acted like that all the time. It was likely enough to warrant a review of his situation, which could mean Molly's death.
It was a very effective way to make Harry calm down and consider his behavior.
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I haven't read it, so I can't speak to the specifics like Griffyn can, but demonstrations of anger toward injustice is a big deal to Listens to Wind, if Ebenezer's line at the end of Turn Coat is right. LtW offered to teach Harry about dealing with that kind of anger, so adding it to Wild Card makes sense; it's another check in the "Harry is smoldering with rage most of the time and should probably get that under control" column. Not sure about the threat, though, cuz I haven't read it yet. (I'm waiting for Brief Cases, so I can do a full DF read-through, in order, and hopefully finish right around when Peace Talks comes out).
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Just finished Dog Men two weekends ago. I thought it was good, but I have a small problem with Harry's anger issues. As others pointed out it doesn't fit the book timeline very well. The Puck experience was bad for Harry, but he conceivably could have gotten over it by the time the next book occurs. Now they have fit in another story that shows Harry dealing with almost PTSD issues from the Puck incident. The anger he displayed is harder to write off. It is especially jarring if you jump from this right into SmF. I hope that they include another story before SmF to resolve this. I would also like full closure on the Puck situation since that is not referenced in the main series.