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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 18, 2025, 11:47:50 AM »
Molly the friend may want to supplement his income, but Molly the Winter Lady would be bound by Mab's will in the matter. If Mab doesn't think Harry needs more resources than he is not getting more resources without bartering for them like he did with Molly in Peace Talks.

However it does demonstrate that Molly can bargain on her own.  She never consulted with Mab before she made that ring for Harry in Peace Talks.. That bargain made Harry obligated to Molly, not Mab for whatever favor Molly requires, so very possible that Harry could bargain with Molly for a pay raise.  I don't think that is the issue, I don't think Harry wants to be forced to pay back favors anymore than he has to.  Remember it was frightened 16 year old Harry that made a bargain with Lea that got him in this jam in the first place leading to him becoming Winter Knight years later, something he'd rather not be.

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I have been thinking long and hard about this question. I have a hard time removing all moral culpability from someone regardless of what they went through. Actions need to be interpreted in light of circumstances, but circumstances don't justify all actions or inactions. What Monica went though is horrible and she was put in an awful position, but, in my opinion, circumstances do not wipe the slate clean and remove all culpability.

No?  Do you blame someone suffering from mental illness?  In fact because of the abuse she had suffered all of her life, Monica could not be rational in these matters.
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By this logic any moral culpability for any action committed in the heat of the moment or out of passion could be excused because the person was not thinking rationally in that moment.
Apples to oranges, Monica isn't a rational person acting out in the heat of the moment nor out of passion.  She was and is a victim, suffering from a long list of emotional and mental issues stemming from her life time as a victim of abuse.

Just Googled it.
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What are the long-term effects of childhood trauma and abuse?
Problems now concretely linked to child abuse and neglect include behavioral and achievement problems in school; heart, lung and liver disease; obesity and diabetes; depression, anxiety disorders, and increased suicide attempts; increased criminal behaviors, illicit drug use and alcohol abuse; increased risky sexual ...

You are blaming the victim here, Monica is a victim here every bit as much as Victor's other victims.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Turncoat
« on: May 15, 2025, 11:51:01 AM »
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It comes back to why were there two (presumably wizards) people present? If it is just added muscle than it could be someone Peabody controlled with his ink. For disposable muscle it would have to be a young wizard. Peabody couldn't bring someone like Cristos there against his will. If the second person is on the Executive Council then they would have to be there of their own free will and thus on the Black Council and either a superior to Peabody or a peer to Peabody.

Luccio was the captain of the Wardens at that time.  Granted the body switch screwed her up somewhat, hormones were firing her sex drive because she was in a younger body, and she no longer could make the special Warden swords, but basically to be captain of the Wardens of the White Council her wizard mojo is pretty strong.. It appeared to remain strong, otherwise it would have been noticed, yet Peabody and his ink managed to screw her up controlling her to the point of committing murder.  Or did Peabody screw everyone else up so badly with his ink that they just didn't notice that their Warden captain wasn't quite right anymore? What I am trying to say is apparently they didn't notice, so it isn't inconceivable that Peabody could in fact, manipulate someone like Christos with his ink.. Not against Christos's will,  because he had no clue he was being manipulated by the ink, nobody did.  Remember  when Rashid visited Harry in the infirmary afterwards?  Rashid looked down at his own hands wondering how much he had been influenced by Peabody's ink.  Eb's reaction as well,  said the same thing.. Now, we can agree that Peabody wasn't the brains behind the plot, he was a mere cat's paw.  Somewhere along the line he was corrupted and as an insider to the White Council did a huge amount of damage that would have gone on a lot longer if Harry had attended more Council meetings and signed paperwork.  So who was behind it?  Nemesis?  And why would the second person or creature on the island with Peabody have to be from the White Council?  Peabody used a Way to get to the island, a pretty nasty one at that.  We know that Cat Sith got infested with Nemesis, we also know that Lea and Maeve got infested by Nemesis, so not impossible that maybe it was someone else infested from one of the Courts that was with Peabody on the island.  Oh and I can think of another who we know from White Night can go in and out from the Nevernever, Cowl...  We still don't know his agenda, and yeah he'd be strong enough to manipulate Peabody.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Turncoat
« on: May 14, 2025, 10:51:32 AM »


  At this point it could be any number of wizards on the Council or even someone as shocking as Carlos.  My point it isn't about ignorance or evil, everyone who had dealings with Peabody, and that's just about everyone, had contact with his ink.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 11, 2025, 12:18:36 PM »
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Or perhaps doesn't understand?  Mab maybe too removed from the human perspective to understand.  Remember there are a lot of things the Fae don't understand about how humans think.


Mab may be removed from the human perspective, but she will grab onto any weapon she can in order to achieve her goals. Money is one of those resources that she can use to further her own ends in the mortal world. There is a reason Molly's account has so many zeros in it. Mab sees that value in money, she just doesn't amass it to be rich for rich's sake. She absolutely could be operating under the principle that she provides the knight the basic tools and it is up to him to gather what he needs.

At the same time she must feel that Harry isn't subject to bribes.. Also one wonders if her Knight would be as effective as she'd like if he has to scrounge for money to keep his home and family together?  Again, you'd think that Molly would supplement his income, unless there is a reason why Knights do not get a salary for what they do.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 10, 2025, 05:04:40 PM »
Of course it's worse, it's Mab. The process is sharply pointed and makes your blood run cold.

Mab is bad true, but a bureaucracy of wizards might be worse..  ;)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 10, 2025, 11:34:23 AM »
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And yet, bargain he did.
He just didn't care enough about cashflow to include it into the bargain.

Really?  I am not saying that you are wrong here, no he didn't care.. However you make it sound like it wasn't important to him. It is important to him, but at that moment in time, it was WAY down on his list of priorities.  His back was broken, his little girl about to be sacrificed, he and his grandfather about to be killed in a generational spell, so yeah, he didn't care, why?  Because if he didn't survive a 401 K from Mab wasn't going to do him much good!

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"Molly" could maybe do so.
The "Winter Lady" must do all such transactions as bargains, as you yourself pointed out:

The interesting point is why hasn't she?  I got the sense from Peace Talks that Molly doesn't like bargains, especially in the case of Harry.  It maybe because she feels the only reason she is alive is because of him, or because she loves him, but I don't think she wants him to be indebted to her anymore than absolutely necessary.   Or she has observed how Mab uses it to wield power over others and she doesn't agree with it.

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I'm pretty sure Mab feels that her WK already has all the resources he needs, to do the job.  And if Dresden is too stupid or weak-willed or squeamish to leverage the resources she's already given him, it's not Mab's job to make his life any easier.

Or perhaps doesn't understand?  Mab maybe too removed from the human perspective to understand.  Remember there are a lot of things the Fae don't understand about how humans think. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 09, 2025, 01:04:40 PM »
You do not want to see the reimbursement forms required by the Winter Court accounting department.

 Could it be worse than the White Council? I seem to remember Rashid telling Harry he has no idea what a favor Rachid did for him vouching that he was still alive and filling out all those forms,to prove it.. ::)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Choices
« on: May 08, 2025, 12:14:23 PM »
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No, actually that was the White Queen.

(I just re-read the passage to confirm; I can quote the full context, or link you an online copy, if desired)

You are right, I was thinking of the movie where it is Alice who says it, but the passage is confusing in the book..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 08, 2025, 12:08:34 PM »
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Burger King & IHOP (and Pizza 'Spress) will be his "splurge" foods, unless he solves some magical problem for a high-end chef who gives him "always eat here free" privileges as a reward.
 

I agree with the exception of Pizza'Spress, Harry's fairy army flies on it's stomach, quality pizza in this case isn't an indulgence, he has to keep his troops well fed! 

Molly didn't bargain for her pay check or any support she gets from the Winter Court, that came with the mantel that she had no say in getting.  It's possible that Harry may have been able to bargain for a good pay check, but at the time he was in no position to bargain at all.  Unless the Lady cannot bargain on her own, I don't see why Molly with her seemingly unlimited resources cannot set up her former master and friend so he can be financially solvent, not rich maybe but able to support those he has to support.
There is evidence that she can bargain since Harry did ask and got a favor from her in Peace Talks when she made that ring for him so he could create a double of himself to fool Eb.
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I think the Harry in Proven Guilty was hitting a good spot. Still was tight with financial issues, but was able to do some cool stuff on the side like Little Chicago. He did not have unlimited resources that he could throw at any problem, but he had enough that he could choose something cool to devote some resources to.

Yes, that is the happy medium I am talking about, Harry isn't rich, he cannot throw money at things and make them go away.  But he is treading water and getting along like a lot of us do, money isn't his focus, he has more important things to attend to. And if Mab is as smart as she claims to be she will understand that a solvent Winter Knight is a more effective Winter Knight and she will increase his pay check if he gets one from her.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 07, 2025, 02:47:19 PM »
I think it just makes for a better story that Harry always seems to be struggling financially.
It means he has to be more creative in problem solving and recruiting allies etc.

Considering he now lives in a top of the line, all the bells and whistles, castle courtesy of Marcone.
If he also had practically unlimited funds he would be a far less sympathetic or relatable character.
Whatever the problem, friends in trouble, need some hired help, run a castle, research...Just throw money at it.
It would become boring quickly.

  I think Harry being broke all of the time can also get old after a bit.  I think a happy medium can be struck, between Harry having so much money he can just throw it at any problem, and Harry having no money at all.  I don't think no matter how much he has I don't think we'd see Harry just throw money at them. We all know many of the problems Harry faces money isn't going to help at all anyway.  I would like to see him have enough money for housekeeping, (including little Maggie expenses), taxes, and keeping Toot and Za'Gard in pizza..  He really doesn't need more than that.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Questions for Mab
« on: May 06, 2025, 12:09:07 PM »
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I don't think there's any "rule against" salary, no.
If Harry had included a cash stipend in his negotiation, I don't think Mab would have blinked or balked.

But there is now a rule against Harry being paid:  he didn't bargain for it... and Mab fulfills her bargains with surgical precision, and zero charity.

No, Harry didn't bargain for himself, he offered himself so his daughter would live.  Then when he woke up at the end of Ghost Story he made it clear to Mab that while he'd do her bidding as far as he could but that he was and will remain his own man. Mab wants that because that gives her a good effective Knight.  That was the bargain, being well off or secure financially was furthest from his mind at that point because he had never been well off financially or secure..  Now with children to think about and others his outlook is different.

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Molly has no such inhibitions.  She owns a luxurious condo in an ultra-secure enclave, paid for with magical service.

She never had any inhibitions of that type that's what got her into trouble in the first place.  Molly was always rebellious, long before she discovered her talent.. Remember her going up to the tree house and removing make up and putting her school uniform back on when she came home from school?  No, she is more like Charity was than Michael is.

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What about the chickens who personify “evil”?

 Yeah, everyone thinks chickens are pretty benign, scratching and clucking away peacefully, occasionally laying an egg.. However they do peck on one another, if they create a wound, they will gang up on the wounded one and peck at it till it dies...

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I feel like it started to lose its way near the end. Which is weird. I felt like there was an overall plan for the books. I felt like many authors Terry Goodkind did a good job of peeling back the layers to expose more and more of the world. I just think it got a little to complex and tried juggling too much.

A good author should know when to stop.. It can go on too long leave too many loose ends.. A well written series shouldn't take 20 800 page books to pull it off..

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The fuego spell is for when he throws fire in combat.

My point, and you are right about the flickum Bicus spell, but fuego is for burning the hell out of something and also has been exclusively Harry's as far as I know.. And was the crap burned out of anything that night? 

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