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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Phariah on July 28, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
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imho I think Sells was a recruit. sorta like how spies make assets lol, the BC hooked him. guessing Raith or one of his witches spotted his talent. we know Raith preferred women casters because he could control them. so he passed this info along to the BC.
after a wizard learns to summon demons how much longer till they can summon Outsiders? Sells wasn't taught much beyond being a tool. gotta remember Peabody had inside reports about warlocks and others. yet this system which wasn't manned to match todays population, many talented must have slipped through the cracks. because to have summoned so many Outsiders for that battle of DR there must have been many Black Wizards. I am guessing quite a few of them are tools that were created like how Sells was. also I am guessing Morgan was steered towards Chicago and Harry by Peabody for the BC to either become a scapegoat or to stop Harry digging into it knowing he was a PI there. I do not believe Sells knew of the BC yet though. he was still being trained and wasn't trusted.
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That makes a lot of sense. Peabody had access to the Council's information on small time practitioners. Those who had gotten warnings from the Wardens could be easily approached and tempted to use some really black magic. In exchange, they'd be promised protection from the Wardens. And they'd owe some favors or could be blackmailed. Assuming they weren't willing to work for the Circle by the time they needed Outsiders anyway.
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Less recruit and more disposable resource. Sells was the toliet paper of magic community.
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Peabody would have access to the council list of known talented practioners, and those suspected or confirmed as warlocks. So they would have a good pool of subjects to recruit from.
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I have to agree with Wardenferry.
He was more of a BC asset than recruit. He probably didn't even know about the BC.
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I have to agree with Wardenferry.
He was more of a BC asset than recruit. He probably didn't even know about the BC.
I second, no third that opinion. Sells was set up to take down Marcone or at least destabilize his hold on his criminal empire. Had Sells succeeded and survived the BC might have found another use for him or; if Harry hadn't gotten in the way, might have let the White Council (Morgan) remove Sells. Victor Sells was quite obviously insane which made him a loose end that needed to be snipped off. Morgan was much more likely to just kill Sells than try to figure out who had trained him.
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I second, no third that opinion. Sells was set up to take down Marcone or at least destabilize his hold on his criminal empire. Had Sells succeeded and survived the BC might have found another use for him or; if Harry hadn't gotten in the way, might have let the White Council (Morgan) remove Sells. Victor Sells was quite obviously insane which made him a loose end that needed to be snipped off. Morgan was much more likely to just kill Sells than try to figure out who had trained him.
Yeah, and thinking about it, it's entirely possible that the BC would have just used Sells as a money machine. I'm not saying that the BC needs money, but lets face it, being evil on a budget just isn't the same thing as being able to order Sharks with Laser beams on their heads, is it?
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Agreed. He was more cut-out man than a long-term investment. That being said, if he /had/ managed to grow into bigger things (possibly after taking down a Council wizard or two) I've no doubt they'd have found larger uses for him.
I tend to think he was a Tool in a War of Prophesy, that the BC's main goal was to target Marcone and take him out before he could grow into whatever it is that Vadderung is grooming him to become (The Good King Johnny?). The whoel trust run of the Bloodline curse, and even the development of 3rdEye, were more side-benefits, but things that could have reasonably been accomplished anywhere (like a fully Ramp-dominated South America, perhaps).
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Less recruit and more disposable resource. Sells was the toliet paper of magic community.
The one doesn't preclude the other. The BC doesn't recruit using advertising leaflets about everything they're doing. They can't put that kind of trust into people who haven't been tested.
Victor failed because he confided in the wrong people to build up his own little circle. If he had pulled off the Three-Eye distribution thing more cleverly (mainly by surviving and not getting the White Council involved), he would have been given something else to play with. If he had proven himself a couple of times, they might have eventually made him a member.
btw: I believe that's what they did with Molly in PG too. Corrupt her and see how she uses her powers. Then decide how they could get the most use out of her. As soon as Mab took her, she lost all value as a potential future recruit and could only be used as a pawn. They (Maeve among them) tried to use her as a means to get Mab or the White Council in conflict with Uriel's guys.
Molly was a failed investment in many ways. ;)
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Agreed. He was more cut-out man than a long-term investment. That being said, if he /had/ managed to grow into bigger things (possibly after taking down a Council wizard or two) I've no doubt they'd have found larger uses for him.
I see you beat me to it. :)
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btw: I believe that's what they did with Molly in PG too. Corrupt her and see how she uses her powers. Then decide how they could get the most use out of her. As soon as Mab took her, she lost all value as a potential future recruit and could only be used as a pawn. They (Maeve among them) tried to use her as a means to get Mab or the White Council in conflict with Uriel's guys.
Molly was a failed investment in many ways. ;)
Hey, I like that!
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I often thought the 3rd eye drug was a means to discover those with unknown magic potential. Since that seems to be a constant problem with the White Council.
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I often thought the 3rd eye drug was a means to discover those with unknown magic potential. Since that seems to be a constant problem with the White Council.
Not a bad idea, though Id credit it to the Fomor, who arent discriminating on power levels, just collecting talent by bulk.
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Not a bad idea, though Id credit it to the Fomor, who arent discriminating on power levels, just collecting talent by bulk.
Is it possible that a side-effect of three-eye is that any potential is unlocked. Therefore anyone who took the drug would be a possible recruit for the Fomor?
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How connected are the Fomor to Nemesis and Harry's Black Council ideas?
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How connected are the Fomor to Nemesis and Harry's Black Council ideas?
Very. I think the Black Council/Cowl's Circle are Outsider co-conspirators (willing and not), and that the Fomor are disenfranchised Inside entities that have allied with teh Outside thereby getting heaping doses of Nemesis control whether they wanted it or not.
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The readiness of the Fomor rise after the RCV fall suggests that they had a hand in the war between WC and the RCV, the two largest, in numbers, non-Fae superpowers.
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The readiness of the Fomor rise after the RCV fall suggests that they had a hand in the war between WC and the RCV, the two largest, in numbers, non-Fae superpowers.
If I recall correctly, they actually started moving /before/ the fall of the Red Court in Changes. I want to say it was in Aftermath, Marcone mentions they'd been moving in on territory for the last few weeks.
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Cowl's gates smell of mildew, which develops in wet environments.
The Fomor lord in Bombshells made the bomb the RC used in the Congo.
They are the group that seems to be the best prepared for the end of the war.
They are enemies of both Faerie Courts. The Faerie Courts fight Outsiders directly (Winter) or indirectly (Summer). Some of the most high-profile and most dangerous Nemfections have been 2 Ladies, Mab's handmaiden and Cat Sith.
The two presences in Turn Coat that the island had never encountered brought along an army of spider creatures. The Fomor specialise in creating strange and dangerous creatures.
Anything else?
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I recall a statement that the number of warlocks and instances of black magic has really spiked in the last few decades.
My personal opinion is that the BC is (at least partially) behind that spike. They are creating distractions for the Wardens and "noise" that can hide their own activates from the attention of the Wardens. Some of this is their recruiting, but I suspect the BC is very careful about recruiting and very careful to keep their recruits "under the radar". Sells was way to open -- hence distraction.
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I wonder if the spike in warlocks is actually low. I'd bet that the Fomor have been collecting mortals of power for awhile now.
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I kind of remember the black magical corruption said to be linked to something like the outside. They are setting up these warlocks, to prepare the world for large scale trouble. Like how Chicago was prepared to allow the dark hollow ritual to be performed.
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I kind of remember the black magical corruption said to be linked to something like the outside. They are setting up these warlocks, to prepare the world for large scale trouble. Like how Chicago was prepared to allow the dark hollow ritual to be performed.
You dont happen to be talking about a new source/WOJ are you? Im a big fan of this theory but havent yet gotten any solid confirmation.