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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD Spoils] Golden Light
« on: April 09, 2013, 08:30:51 PM »
Does anyone remember what color the eyes of DemonReach were described as in TC?

TC, chp 36

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Its eyes flashed, burning more brightly, sending out tendrils and streams of greenish fire in a nimbus around its head.

Not gold.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD Spoils] Golden Light
« on: April 09, 2013, 05:27:40 PM »
White sounds like Winter, but golden-white does not.  There was a combination of powers getting used in that scene, and I don't doubt that some of it was WK related.  But the golden light seems like something else.

Harry is now the chosen Champion of the golden calf from Exodus. The BAT culminates in a fist fight between Harry and Moses.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD Spoils] Golden Light
« on: April 06, 2013, 03:00:54 AM »
My vote is Starborn power, but backed by Soulfire. I don't think Soulfire is any sort of Kryptonite for Outsiders at all, but I think for a Starborn, it's still a multiplier.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD Spoils] Golden Light
« on: April 06, 2013, 02:43:51 AM »
Higher Power, or Harry Power.

It was either an infusion of WG, or Starborn "energy" (whatever that is). Any other explanation is a huge stretch IMO.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD Spoils] Golden Light
« on: April 06, 2013, 02:09:37 AM »
I think, given that there was, IIRC, mention of Soulfire pouring from the cracks in the ground in that conflict, it implies that the WG (or some Archangel) approves of Harry's use of Soulfire. Especially in that circumstance.

I don't think Soulfire is intrinsically linked to Harry's Starborn status, but in a mental struggle like that, I think it can help, for sure.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Proven Guilty
« on: April 02, 2013, 05:17:34 PM »
The powerful always use minions even if they can just solve the problem by pointing a finger. For some reason using minions is as it should be.  :)

Well, I agree that something used "minions" there. But I do think Namshiel was the one who used Hellfire, and likely thought he was a valued member of the team at the time. "Minion" is a relative term, after all.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Proven Guilty
« on: April 02, 2013, 03:17:30 PM »
There's no way that someone could "fake" Hellfire to a being such as Mab. Probably even Harry. Also, if you're powerful enough to simulate Hellfire, you don't need minions to assault Arctis Tor to begin with, IMO.

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We know that in the DV, conservation of matter/energy still applies (though extended to the Nevernever, in some cases).

So, if we're dealing with MAGIC, I don't see why forms of energy shouldn't be interchangeable. We're already talking about forces that don't obey the laws of physics as we know them. Trying to apply standard Newtonian physics to magic rings seems kinda silly to me.

If you wanted to try to apply real physics to the DV, the energy Harry harnessed for his gravity spell at CI is astronomically large, for example.

Having a decent grasp of the math involved in this stuff, I'm very content to just say "it's magic". Otherwise, you'll drive yourself crazy trying to figure it all out  :P.

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Current government were I live leaves much to wish for but it is not that bad if you compare it to 95% of the governments in history.

There has been moral progress so I am not that depressed about it.

I'll leave this after this post so we don't get into TT territory, but a lot of governments are totally acceptable to their people, but condemned by the outside world. And vice versa. And everything in-between.

As far as the topic is concerned, "evil" is very obviously a subjective definition for us. But in the DV, I think Mab is very much NOT in the "evil" part of the supernatural spectrum.

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They probably were. Read enough history and you will see  :)

I won't argue with the moral judgement here, but if that's the case, doesn't that force you into a place where you're just a victim of what is inevitably a corrupt establishment?

I don't want to dispute it, that just seems like a rather depressing worldview to me...

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I think it all depends on whether you think "evil" is a matter of behavior or nature.

For example, is sexual cannibalism in insects evil? After all, in humans, that behavior would make a woman a serial killer...

Despite her appearance, Mab is no more motivated by human ethics and ideals than those insects are. She may still have some human feelings, sure, but she doesn't operate on a level remotely similar to humanity.




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Which suggest that having a strong knight like Harry is at best unnessasary and at worst dangerous under normal conditions. Mab clearly did not care what kind of knight Maeve hired and after she finds out that Maeve hired a weak knight she did not intervened.

If this is true, what will happened when Harry is done doing Mab's bidding? When all the problem is solved and the situation is back to normal, will Mab consider Harry to dangerous to live? What do you do to your soldiers when the war is over and there is no enemy to fight anymore? What do you do to the only member of your court that you are vulnarable to?

Oh, Crap!

She hadn't intervened with previous WKs because at the time, they were adequate. Not anything Mab could use for important things, but enough to fill the "enforcer of Winter interests" role in the mortal world. I'd guess in the last few centuries, the Knights have mostly been killing mortals and low-tier supernatural beings that happen to be doing things that conflict with Winter's interests.

Harry, on the other hand, is an exceptionally strong wizard, a fairly good detective, AND a Starborn. Mab knew that Nemesis had infiltrated the Winter Court to a shocking degree. Her two most valuable assets in the Court were corrupted, and only one could really be saved. The time for thugs was over, and Mab wanted a Knight that could actually use the mantle to aid Winter in the real battle.

As for when it's all over? I'm in the camp that believes Mab (the individual we know now) won't make it through the BAT. A certain young lady will be filling those shoes, IMO....

But even if Mab survives, why would that change anything? If Harry proves to be so valuable that he survives and helps Winter through what is shaping up to be a supernatural apocalypse, I think he'll be in a good position to re-negotiate his contract :).

Assuming Harry makes it through everything and is still the WK at the end, I see him taking on a role more like Kringle in the Winter Court. Taking care of the real important stuff, respected by all the Fae, and not really bothered by obligations unless it's really important. (I do think Molly....er, "Mab", will have a hand in that...).

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Just realize.. there is at least a 10% chance harry is now Marcone's great great step granddad...

The idea of Harry using "yo mamma" jokes on Marcone has amused me since that idea first appeared.

I'd love a short story where Harry steps into Marcone's office and just says "Son, we really need to talk...."

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That kind of skeeves me out.   :o

As it should  8)

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I can get her wanting to keep it after she first gets the Mantle. After 900 years of the Mantle chipping away at her soul you'd think she'd simply stop caring.  Mab is pragmatic.

Unless she made an oath or something...

Following the mantle doesn't necessarily threaten EVERYTHING that makes you a human. I don't see where the mantle necessitates losing your soul. It might be easier, after centuries, to just stop holding on, sure. But Mab is Mab. She won't let anything she values totally slip away, even if it has no value 99% of the time.

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