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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
« on: December 14, 2012, 01:18:12 PM »
i really doubt Simon = Cowl. it would be such a let down if it was so easy.

as to him saying he hates Kemmler. it doesn't matter because if he was an evil apprentice of a an evil master mind it goes w/ the evil hat. it usually is a love / hate relationship. he just didn't want to be associated w/ Kemmler because he didn't like how he carried out his plans? his teaching methods? whatever. he does however associate w/ CT and Grevane. he is planning with them while preparing to fight them for the Darkhallow. and they know him. fits with him being an apprentice of Kemmler while hating the guy.

as to being a SC level wizard. just because he is that powerful does not mean he is in the SC. CT and Grevane are considered just as powerful as Cowl. so does that make them SC members?

so what Simon has a female apprentice so does Harry. it has no weight to the theory.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The identity of the Mothers [CD spoilers]
« on: November 28, 2012, 03:27:59 PM »
another ID of them seems to fit well. Kali the Earth Mother and Goddess of murder. they could share that title well taking different aspects.

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i am thinking  something/ body stole/ tricked the staff from Mom W. than was eventually won/ bargained from the perp.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Mouse's Origins
« on: September 27, 2012, 07:28:02 AM »
One thing to note, text-wise, Mouse enters the story immediately after Harry is exposed to Lasciel's shadow. Something tells me this isn't a coinicidence. If I were Mr. Sunshine, I might makes sure that a certain wizard that seems to be tied to many important events had a positive influence in his life that balanced out the negative.

Lash was a corrupting influence, whereas Mouse gave harry positive memories to draw on, even a motivation. There is a passage in Dead Beat, where Harry is feeling like he is in over his head, and he recalls that Mouse "thought I was pretty darned cool" and it picks him up.

I don't think this was a 7 words type balancing of the scales. But more of a life-line if you will.

and the part of Blood Rights where Harry looks back at the Pups and finds that the Notch-eared Puppy had fought his way to the top of the dog pile supports your theory wonderfully.
i sort of agree with this. we have always seen Mouse being attentive to Harry, licking his  hand after the SoulSlap he gave Thorned and such. Bob says we share our soul w/ each other through hugs and good times and such. what if Mouse is helping him regen his soul and aid Harry by giving him doggie hugs and such.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Worst Kick in the Gut Moments in the Series
« on: September 16, 2012, 12:02:24 PM »
Charity telling Harry to stay in ER.

Eb telling Harry he is his GranPa in CI.

Molly's trial. Harry winning and than realizes he went too far and the Merlin still gonna execute her.

in PG Harry thinking Mouse is dead after the Jinn hit him.

Ivy being taken / imprisonned

Meryl dying.

the talk w/ Bob after the Deeps ghoul battle, about Lash.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: The top selling books in the Dresdenverse
« on: August 30, 2012, 05:33:33 PM »
Culinary Tour: from the Donut to Pizza  by Toot- Toot

Coping with Pizza Adddiction  by Toot- Toot

Fashion Do's and Don'ts  by the Rag Lady

Working Man: how to deal with 2 jobs and a family  by Michael Carpenter

2 Careers: how to work and get your groove on   by Waldo Butters

Great Book of Denial: I DIDN'T DO IT   by Harry Dresden

Shotgun: weapon or motivational tool?   by Mab

Loopholes: Fae Deals to make Lawyers cry  by Lea

68 Brews   by Mac


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DF Reference Collection / Re: Mouse's Origins
« on: June 17, 2012, 09:19:50 PM »
nice going so far Serack. there was a piece of a quote from the book you cut off i think is significant though. when you talk about his sentinel abilities you left off that he can harm spiritual creatures and his bark effects across the NN boundry. that is powerful in itself.

as to when he tells Lea he won Harry. i have always said it was meaning he won the PRR (Puppy Royal Rumble) to stay with Harry.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
« on: May 01, 2012, 08:29:03 PM »
I think that's a clue as to where he hangs out, not what/who he is.  or at least, the mildew reference i remember around Cowl is when he and Kumori disappear when faced by the Alphas in DB (and we can be pretty sure that's not a veil because of Bob's explanation of how invisibility is useless against wolves in FM, so it kind of must be an escape to the NN), and I think what that's meant to connect up with is the description of the place Peabody runs to at the end of TC.

I'm not recalling that off the top of my head, other than his voice sounding not particularly human, which I tend to read as part of his disguise.  I don't think Harry has that reaction to his magic anywhere, anyway. Am I forgetting something ?
Neuro!!!!!   *hugz* woots i missed ya  ;D

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DF Reference Collection / Re: WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
« on: May 01, 2012, 07:48:45 PM »
well i have always thought that the 3 Kemmlerites all specialized in differing areas of Necro magic. Grevane animation of zombies and physical dead, CT mind magic/ spirits/ ghosts, Cowl i am thinking pure Necro magic/ Black magic to power himself ( sort of like the necro magic EBob released into Dresden ). i mean Kumori was never drumming anything and never really used magic much. suppose he concentrated necro magic around her to act as his necro shield to get through the area.

Harry senses a taint when they first met, than when Cowl escapes by the book store Harry senses an increase in dark magic. that was making a gateway. suppose his specialty was summonings like that of demons and Outsiders?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
« on: April 29, 2012, 08:36:42 PM »
Cowl evidently believed he couldn't take Grevane or Corpsetaker, or he would have even if his goals had been to start the Darkhallow. Cowl doesn't kill anyone in DB that I can remember. Even in the final battle, he's just standing their veiled as a zombie until the crucial moment.

In White Nights, Cowl would have exterminated the White Court if Dresden hadn't intervened and saved the Raiths (making them more powerful than ever.) Lara was the one who instigated the attacks. We don't know when the Malvora hooked up with Cowl, but the plan was Lara's.

I don't think Cowl is a good guy (though he thinks he is), but I'm not sure that he's BC judging by what we know the BC has tried to do and what Cowl has tried to do. I'd think of him as a darker Dresden.

EDIT: Also, FWIW, it was Cowl and the Malvora who drew Dresden's attentions to the attacks.

EDIT2: Also, I believe it was Corpsetaker and maybe Grevane who had the deal with the Reds. Corpsetaker had dealings with the Fomor in GS, which makes her more suspicious in terms of BC material to me. OTOH, we have evidence Cowl was aware of it, given his statement that the Council would fall within a few days.
in WN Cowl would not have wiped out the WCV. he would have gained contol of them. they were supposed to be involved in the war aiding the RCV. thanks to Dresden backing Lara he took them out of the war. Cowl planned on using Vitto to get them back in the war since the RCV were weakening.

Vitto worked for Cowl and was going to burn a building down and kill dresden and the Ordo. Cowl did not bring Dresden's attention to the culling, Madrigal did it w/out Vitto or Cowl's order.

as for Cowl not killing anyone in DB.... haha. he practically killed Dresden a few times. by breaking the circle he knew the Erl would want to kill him. Harry would have died  when Cowl absorbed the Darkhallow as well as Ramirez and thousands of others. only reason he didn't kill Harry was he was worried about Dresden's Death Curse so close to the ritual time.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
« on: April 29, 2012, 08:21:43 PM »
Chapter 8, p98.

"Get your own book, Kemmlerite."
"I have nothing but disdain for the madman Kemmler."

"Is that what you're doing, destroying copies of the book?"
"Time has taken most of them. We have accounted for the rest." (K)

"Is it not enough that Kemmler's disciples could use this knowledge for great evil?"

"Grevane and the Corpsetaker are madmen. They must be stopped."  (K)

"Do you know why Cowl has made a study of necromancy? [...] Necromancy can be turned upon it's nature[.] Life can be served by that dark power, if one's will and purpose are strong."

"Grevane and the Corpsetaker are determined. I intend to beat them to the prize and use it to destroy them. It's the only way to be sure one of those madmen does not become something more terrible than the Earth has ever seen."

Cowl does imply he's met Grevane and Corpsetaker before. But I think it's clear he was never a mole in any meaningful sense of the word, and very unlikely he ever worked with Kemmler, even as a spy.

We saw that Grevane immediately leapt to the conclusion that Dresden too was a Kemmlerite working towards the same purpose as the others just on the basis of Dresden's aura or magic being tainted. It seems fairly clear that Cowl never worked with Kemmler, or was ever any kind of mole - the actual Kemmlerites just assumed he was because he was going for the Darkhallow, so they assumed he was acting in Kemmler's name. In actuality, Cowl intended on stopping them himself - not because he actually wanted the power for himself, but because he was convinced the Darkhallow was going to happen, and it had better be him there rather than one of the crazy Kemmlerites.

That's important because even though Cowl is a student of necromancy, it's clear his aims and purposes are very, very different than Kemmler's. On the other hand, I think it's important to note Cowl never actually used necromancy once, and his apprentice (?) Kumori only used it to revive the dying guy.

Indeed, in DB at least, I'm almost inclined to believe that Cowl was working at cross-purposes to the BC. The BC (we believe, anyway) has taken every opportunity to throw the world into chaos. Cowl not only seemed intent on stopping (world-wide, not Chicago-wide) chaos and destruction in DB, he alerted Dresden to the corruption on the White Council and clearly seemed to oppose it. He refrained from using black magic at all, and Kumori did only once. Those affected by the BC reek with black magic (the hexen wolves, the curses and rituals.) He seemed mostly reasonable, and spared Dresden many times, even though Dresden's stopped BC plot after BC plot. He's even out there burning books written by a known BC operative, Peabody.

Either way, he may have been BC-aligned during DB, but he wasn't a "mole" and it seems unlikely he ever hung out with Kemmler.

Isn't there a WOJ that some of the people we think are bad may not be? Thinking more on it, Cowl also would have eradicated the White Court vampires if not for Dresden, and we simply don't know enough to judge what the athame situation was about, especially in light of Mab's alleged madness.
1- Grevane didn't think Harry was a Kemmlerite. he sensed dark/ necro magic trace in Harry. that is it. not once did he call him a Kemmlerite.

2- Cowl did not imply he met Grevane and CT before, he comes out and says it directly in that chapter i provided. he speaks and works with them.

3- Harry senses the dark magic in Cowl when they meet in front of the bookstore. much like himself. than when Cowl flees he senses a stronger use of the dark magic. also using the Darkhallow is dark magic. why give away yourself using necro magic if you don't need to? it is a tactical decision.

4- Cowl is bonkers. p324 same chapter. H " your the orrect madman for the job."
C, "i do not percieve myself to be mad. but if i were truly mad, would i be able to tell."

5- he considered himself the lesser of the 3 evils. which is a load of bunk since he would be responsible for killing thousands still by finishing the Darkhallow instead of stopping it.

6- he spared Harry?! he would have killed him in at the book store. he killed him by breaking the circle holding Erl knowing he would come back to kill him. he told dresden if he came to the ritual he would kill him.

7- he wasn't going to wipe out the WCV he was going to place Vitto at its head to run it for him.

8- why not tell him the WCouncil is corrupt it will make him not trust them and take away an ally from him if he stops working with them. he tells them the WC will fall perhaps tomorrow. Cowl was planning on gaining that power from the Darkhallow so he basically said he was going to destroy the WC.

9- he was burning the Erl book because he did not want the summoning ritual to be used by someone to stop the Darkhallow. since he had already had the book he knew the ritual.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
« on: April 29, 2012, 06:28:26 PM »
Cowl made it fairly clear he never had anything to do with Kemmler.
DB chapter 34 page 323(pb)
"we smile at one another and play nicely all in the name of Kemmler's greater glory, of course. ......."

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DF Reference Collection / Re: WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
« on: April 28, 2012, 07:47:21 PM »
bestial rage has nothing to do with hunting predators though. a true predator isn't a rage machine. look at a pack of wolves bringing down an opponent. they are methodical. look at Erl when he comes to dresden at the end of DB calm and collected. bestial rage is just a mindless attacker not a predator.

bad side of the NN not fae lands. Erl is a Wyldefae not a monster. he has honor and rules.

those 2 comments make me think of Ick, the super Ghouls, monsters.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
« on: April 28, 2012, 07:04:47 PM »
WK as in:

white King? Winter Knight? Winter King? Santa clause?

(most folks just call the white king lord raith)

 ;D
or Papa Raith i think is the most used  :P

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DF Reference Collection / Re: WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
« on: April 28, 2012, 05:29:46 PM »
there is still no hint whatsoever about which theory is correct though. BC, Erl, whoever, nothing. there were a few theories at the time.

personally i think the Erl theory is the weakest, it is too easy.

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