Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - BrainFireBob

Pages: 1 ... 11 12 [13] 14 15 ... 28
181
Yeah, sort of, it was not gift I think, he bribed them. What Harry did was bribing them to some effect because he valued their past & future help.

The cause of fealty for wyld faes is probably different than what we know of the courts. Although from their lack of creepiness nature, I'd tend to think they'd have to be descendants/creatures from Summer's side, Toot toot & co were independent IIRC since they were ignored by both sides (perhaps no one thought they'd be useful for anything), it's likely that their fealty is theirs to give, that for any type of (independent) wyld faes it's just a matter of being left alone or end up at the mercy of Winter or Summer sidhes' will. So unless given or taken, nothing binds them, which means no obligations to pick court sides, unlike faes who were born from the bloodlines of both courts (or maybe just sidhes, creatures don't have that much freedom).

But I strongly suspect it's deeper than just transactional level of bargains, once they pick/get picked they can't switch to any other side.

I don't think you can bribe the Fae, you can bargain.

When Harry entraps Toot, he offers him a bargain: Give him information, and he'll release Toot.

It's an exchange of value. The Fae seem to be something like TFM fundamentalists in this regard- they have to keep their word. Mab frequently talks about balancing the scales.

I rather think that Harry's open-ended, non-negotiated gift of pizza means that the scales were balanced at the rate of how the Little Folk value pizza, not how Harry values pizza or pizza is objectively valued. If you bargain poorly, that's on you, and that's how the Fae grow; either clever bargains or loaning out renewable resources.

As to the alignment of Wyldfae, this is explained by Toot himself in Summer Knight. When the Courts move to war, the Wyldfae find themselves drawn karmically to whichever Court is closest to their most recent behavior (the line is something like "if you've been doing mean stuff recently, you go to Winter")- the dewdrop faeries are normally Summer aligned, but Toot's group at that point are loyal to Harry.

Reading Summer Knight, it's not clear if the dewdrops were in the bag with the boxcutters, or Harry was able to summon them. Mab specifically notes that "it is rare for a mortal to be able to Call the Fae"- note the capitol? I think, even this early, that the Summer and Winter Courts sent out a call to the Wyldfae to join the court most closely aligned with their loyalty- and the proto-Guard showed up at Harry over *either* Court, and he was able to "Call" or summon them to him to defeat Aurora.

182
Mab had several similar caches around Chicago (and probably other potential sites) pre planning (it strikes me Lea is a muse, so artworks like the Bean would be especially easy for Winter to infiltrate.)

Even Mab was surprised by the number of Little Folk Harry mustered, it didn’t alarm her it made her proud of Harry, which he immediately wiped out jumping off the Castle. She provided arms and armour for the Guard only note, she envisaged some role for them, but they are Harry’s or command

As regards the Malks, never seen a cat jumping for butterflies in mid air? A Malk can probably jump 20- 30 feet in the air and take out the squids easily.

Molly provided the arms, I had thought

183
DF Spoilers / Re: 1066, Hastings, Stamford Bridge, and the Outer Gates
« on: December 30, 2020, 08:15:04 PM »
If Harry was born in 1973 that means the prior Starborn were born in 1307 and before that in 641. Was the prior Lady killed during a Crusade?

I like the Loki got infected first theory and the Raven banner being Mother Nature's walking stick.

You're a little wedded to 1:1 time mapping here.

The existence of "slow" and "fast" Nevernever zones means you can't just say that "A starborn would have been born around 1307, so they were active until 1607, assuming a lifespan of 300 years for a wizard."

Rashid killed the Mad Arab circa 800AD- he's not particularly old subjectively (he is old), but he is objectively old- phrased differently, he's not 1300 years old, but his birthdate in objective time was around 1300 years ago. From his point of view, he's only a few centuries old at most.

Nip into a slow zone for a day, come back, and find that 20 years have passed. Great for ensuring longevity, horrible for maintaining friendships. The only reason restriction seems to be, that food has to be real food to not turn into gloop once back in the real world.

So say at the Gates 1 day=5 days. If Rashid comes back to get food every two days from his point of view, then he's seeing people in the real world with a 10 day gap- easily enough to keep track of what's going on, slow enough to massively extend his life, because 200 years becomes 1,000 years.

184
DF Spoilers / Re: 1066, Hastings, Stamford Bridge, and the Outer Gates
« on: December 30, 2020, 04:58:24 PM »
Mab could have been relatively new to the Queens Mantle (50 years) hence Korbs insult about pimpley faced and consistent with your time -line having previously been the Winter Lady.

Faerie may have existed before the organisation into courts, everyone was Wildfae, the Fates and Hecates power was poured into the 8 Mantles, but that was not likely the end of the power put into them, my guess a number of Fae were sacrificed on the Stone Table to add to the power of the Mantles, to create a structure which could interact with the mortal world easier than that of the God’s (hence the creation of the Knights Mantles and the step down in power from Mother Queen Lady). Add to that two new players in the Courts powers structures the Unicorns again more power required to create them, and they seem to be specific as amplifiers of the Courts Mantles. What were they originally? Greek mythology doesn’t include them and they are the Scottish heraldic animal which would be consistent with the Fae geographically. The Scottish Coat of Arms was supported by two Unicorns- prior to Napoleon did the two Courts work together in putting the Scottish King James on the English Throne?

Oh and “1066 And All That” much better title for this thread.

Maeve left nearly 200 years of backlog. Plus, Ladies can't have kids. So Mab being queen is at least that far back.


185
DF Spoilers / Re: 1066, Hastings, Stamford Bridge, and the Outer Gates
« on: December 30, 2020, 04:31:26 PM »
The Raven banner was lost at Stamford Bridge- Mother Winter's stick?

Mab rode with the Conqueror, the Stick with Hardrada- that's Winter allied with Northmen (Normans were Viking offshoots).

England being split between Summer and Winter spheres fits the Danelaw.

Maeve is ~200 years old, I think that's the "last time" Starborn, and I lean toward a Lady vivisection being how Kemmler cracked the Darkhallow- and why Mab thought him mad. I think he was starborn.

I also think Loki was Odin's Titania, and became Nemfected but was untouchable by the Aesir due to Odin's blood brother pledge- and that this Nemfection was the cause of his going out-of-character crazy in the Poetic Edda

186
I have long thought much was overlooked here.

Harry has no bargain granting the Guard. Normally, you bargain with milk, bread, and honey for information. Toot, perhaps out of friendship, perhaps greed, told Harry pizza was even more valued.

Harry had no bargain. He began giving pizza, which is of ultimate value to the Little Folk, without strings. Their acceptance creates an obligation for them to provide something he values even as they value the pizza- so yes, I think the Guard are lifelong feal-bound servants. They value pizza over their lives- they'll go to war for it!- so pledging the lives of some of their own fits. Perhaps it's one per pizza he normally provides.

 Wouldn't surprise me to find that each "clan" of the Little Folk supplies a member, and when one falls another grows much larger quickly.

I also think there's an implied joke with their being "dockworkers of the Nevernever" and their power when organized. This is Chicagah, an' 'Arry's Hoffa.

187
DF Spoilers / Re: A thought About Butters
« on: November 29, 2020, 12:09:57 AM »
If I remember also Denethor's line, though Numenorean, had become watered down over the centuries so their life spans were closer to normal humans.  Also it is repeated often in The Lord of the Rings that Aragorn is descended from the line of Luthien Tinuviel the elf princess who gave up her mortality for a mortal, Beren, "her line will never fail.."  So female descent was critical.
What?

Elros and Elrond are the descendents of Luthien. That's where the Numenorean kings came from.

Saying "the line of Luthien" is the same as saying "line of kings of Numenor"

188
DF Spoilers / Re: A thought About Butters
« on: November 29, 2020, 12:07:12 AM »
Both Aragorn and Denethor house were descendants of Luthien and elven princess Idril Celebrindal through Elros.

Yes house of stewards married more among non-Numenoreans, still Denethor was probably second after Aragorn in amount of old Numenorean power. He was able to fight for palantir in will-duel with Sauron and win, this is not something common mortal could do.

Nevertheless this pure race aspect is less important in terms of real royalty as most kings married foreign princesses anyway

Cite, please. The Stewards were not of the royal line.

189
DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: November 25, 2020, 07:03:41 PM »
Dunno. I somehow have a feeling he can stay fridged till BAT, because really I think Butcher had little idea what to do with Thomas overall.

Yes. For instance we could get longer introductions and epilogues to series giving us better vision of what Dresden was doing between books - that's about as much place we needed. (And no Jim no sane reader would pick tome 16 of your series, and just run with it mindlessly. If he does he will notice something is wrong - like you can put list of all the books at the beginning or something).

DO NOT DESCRIBE THEM. Like really. Describe new things. Introduce new things.

Alienates new readers. In theory, each book should be sufficiently self-contained to be picked up and read by someone off the street.

Your being an early fan is your problem, not anyone else's

190
DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: November 25, 2020, 06:54:50 PM »
Hard to say.
As I said I'm not a fan of this True Love thing - I'd much prefer it to be sort of mental duel with such vampire than some almost excuse random category. With Skavis and Malvora you have to prove your virtue to burn those bastards.

Don't look at it as competition.

All Whamps are supernatural hot.

Only Raith feeds on lust. Raith feeds super easily- other Whamps need to do work to feed- but are most vulnerable, since true love would be most common.

Burning could just be failure to latch. Less technically protection, more "that access port is already in use"

191
DF Spoilers / Re: A thought About Butters
« on: November 25, 2020, 06:25:17 PM »
I prefer bin Saul  or bin Ahab myself. Or even a Khazar Khan.

192
DF Spoilers / Re: The Accords, the Council, and Harry
« on: November 25, 2020, 06:24:35 PM »
I favor the Za Lord being a Signatory

193
I have a theory that this is the end game or even the OG Merlin's plan- but the piece that makes it work is the Blackstaff to eat all the evil "flavoring" of the beings in Demonreach

194
DF Spoilers / Re: Would You Be Shocked If....
« on: November 12, 2020, 09:44:42 PM »
Lady Cecilia is confirmed as a mother.


If male fertility is higher, you have a reason Lord Raith doesn't just kill his sons- or nephews or brother- outright. They're breeding stock if needed.

Also, I theorize that it generally takes magic talent to become a whampire. If you have at least X talent, it's what primarily supports the demon. If you have more than that, you can do things. If you "would have" been a wizard, you are Thomas.

I think Papa Raith knows that, and it's why the Skavis plan was never tried before. It's racial suicide.

195
DF Spoilers / Various Storm Front
« on: October 28, 2020, 03:01:48 AM »
Reading our daughter Storm Front

1) Dresden is clear he claimed self-defense, but doesn't say he fought Justin. It may have been murder- killed Justin when Justin didn't know he was there.
2) Sounds like Sells was a proxy for Papa Raith. He worked for SilverCo
3) Expected Checkov's guns:
A) Chauncy
B) Channeling a storm
C) Someone "really pisses him off" and he does the heart spell.

Pages: 1 ... 11 12 [13] 14 15 ... 28