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Title: Word count and whatnot
Post by: blgarver on November 09, 2006, 03:55:41 PM
Hello everyone...

I was wondering what your opinions (professional or otherwise) are about the proper length for a chapter in a book.  I realize there is no exact rule, but there are some things that work better than others. 

So far, I've been averaging about 12 pages (6000 words) per chapter.    It's all single spaced in MS Word.

Does this sound too long for chapter length?

Also, I was wondering what the ratio of word processor page to published book page is.  Like, does one MS Word page equal one published book page?  I'm a little confused when agents or publishers ask for a 5 page minimum submission or something like that.  Does that mean five pages of Word, or five equivelant book pages?

Thanks for any advice you guys can give me. 

Brandon Garver
Title: Re: Word count and whatnot
Post by: Sara Dennis on November 09, 2006, 04:13:13 PM
So far, I've been averaging about 12 pages (6000 words) per chapter.    It's all single spaced in MS Word.

Does this sound too long for chapter length?

As you said, there is no rule. There are a few guidelines, depending on what genre you're writing. For me, as a romance writer, I tend to stick to about 12-15 double spaced pages. That's close to "average".  If you're writing fantasy or sf or mystery or something, that number could change.

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Also, I was wondering what the ratio of word processor page to published book page is.  Like, does one MS Word page equal one published book page?  I'm a little confused when agents or publishers ask for a 5 page minimum submission or something like that.  Does that mean five pages of Word, or five equivelant book pages?

SMF (Standard Manuscript Format) is generally considered to be Courier or Courier New 12pt font, double spaced, with 1" margins all around. If that's what you're using, you get approximately 250 words/page, which is book equivalent.  This would mean that, yes, they're asking for 5 pages in your submission.

The important thing, of course, is to check the publisher or agent's guidelines. They may want some other kind of format, or go by computer word count, etc, and that could change what you turn in.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Word count and whatnot
Post by: blgarver on November 09, 2006, 05:19:38 PM
Okay, thanks.  I didn't know about the SMF.   That's good to know.  I reformatted the first chapter per your info, and it's 26 pages long... *tugs collar nervously*
Title: Re: Word count and whatnot
Post by: Mickey Finn on November 09, 2006, 07:03:04 PM
One of the most successful authors in the world, Terry Pratchett, usually doesn't use chapters.

And my favourite single chapter of any book is 3 words.

"Well, That sucked."


(Chris Moore, The Stupidest Angel.)
Title: Re: Word count and whatnot
Post by: blgarver on November 09, 2006, 09:39:58 PM
One of the most successful authors in the world, Terry Pratchett, usually doesn't use chapters.

And my favourite single chapter of any book is 3 words.

"Well, That sucked."


(Chris Moore, The Stupidest Angel.)

No chapters???  Oh man, I think I need to level up before I try that.

I have more of a Stephen King kind of structure: Book>Part>Chapter>Section

I've never been an outliner.  I've tried it, just never been able to do it.
Title: Re: Word count and whatnot
Post by: Dom on November 11, 2006, 09:34:39 PM
I average 5 to 15 single spaced arial 12 point font pages in Word when I'm doing chapters.

Don't recall offhand how many words that is, though.
Title: Re: Word count and whatnot
Post by: Jack_of_Names on November 14, 2006, 05:58:56 PM
Wow, using SMF, I've done FAR more than I thought I had... WOOOHOOOO! That's really cheered me up :)