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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on October 10, 2017, 04:17:30 AM
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Well I'm wondering that there may be someone who has died in the previous books whom Harry might get an opportunity to save in Mirror Mirror. Although he's not saving the actual person who died, in a way it will feel good for Harry to at least save them in another reality. Of all the people who have died up to this point, who do you think would be cool to see saved? I would start a poll but there are really a lot of people who have died so will just leave it up to you to write down, and why you'd like to see it.
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Morgan or Anna Ashe (WN) seem very likely. Susan was half-turned. Shiro was dying. Kim Delaney had died prior to GP.
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I'd expect Harry to end up a halfway-decent necromancer. Maybe he could even pull off the life-saving trick that Kumori used in DB. As for the who... I agree that the victims in WN seem like the best candidates. At least one of the girls in BR seems doable. Maybe Meryl (SK), but she mostly sacrificed herself. I don't think he'll save Morgan because I expect them to be more avowed enemies in MM.
One more idea which has all sorts of crazy-fun implications: Lily.
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Aurora. She would be the one most important person to save to mend titanias heartbreak. That is if she is still alive, and curable should she be nemfected.
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Himself.
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Get it?! ;D
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Because he died?! ;D
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Wait, you thought I meant the other -him? Yeah no, that -dude is so getting killed by -Mab.
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If your question is "of the people who died in the main story line, would any of them be alive in Mirror Mirror universe?", then I suggest
* Morgan
* Uncrippled Michael (although I see this as very unlikely)
* Kirby (one of the Alphas)
* Maeve
* Lilly
However, I think it is far more likely that "our" Harry will find some of his friends dead in the mirror mirror world. Candidates include Butters, Billy/Georgia, and Rawlings.
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However, I think it is far more likely that "our" Harry will find some of his friends dead in the mirror mirror world. Candidates include Butters, Billy/Georgia, and Rawlings.
Michael and / or Thomas might very well not have survived in the mirror timeline, either as consequences of Harry's initial divergent choice in GP or somewhere between then and the present era of the story.
Saving Mirror Morgan's life in some situation where -Harry absolutely would have left him to die or killed him personally might be one way to shock him out of trying to kill prime Harry, though, if Jim wants to write it that way. For that matter, it could be interesting if Mirror Peabody framed him for something else that would attract somewhat lower priority for revenge than assassinating LaFortier, and he's been surviving on the run long term as a lone actor while still an enemy of -Harry.
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I see Luccio has taking blame for LaFortier and Morgan going medieval on all law breakers.
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I see Luccio has taking blame for LaFortier and Morgan going medieval on all law breakers.
I kind of doubt TC would have gone down quite the same way. With Harry at least on the way to a darker path in DB, odds are pretty good that something in the chain of events that leads to Luccio getting body-swapped and made vulnerable to major compulsion would play out differently. Either she's not swapped, or dies entirely.
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If your question is "of the people who died in the main story line, would any of them be alive in Mirror Mirror universe?", then I suggest
* Morgan
* Uncrippled Michael (although I see this as very unlikely)
* Kirby (one of the Alphas)
* Maeve
* Lilly
However, I think it is far more likely that "our" Harry will find some of his friends dead in the mirror mirror world. Candidates include Butters, Billy/Georgia, and Rawlings.
IIRC he's supposed to maybe show up again in book 17 so this one is probably the most likeliest of the bunch.
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Well I'm wondering that there may be someone who has died in the previous books whom Harry might get an opportunity to save in Mirror Mirror. Although he's not saving the actual person who died, in a way it will feel good for Harry to at least save them in another reality. Of all the people who have died up to this point, who do you think would be cool to see saved? I would start a poll but there are really a lot of people who have died so will just leave it up to you to write down, and why you'd like to see it.
I'm not really certain how to approach this question, if only because there are multiple ways to do so. There's the first, and most obvious, which has been discussed a lot below: "Who might Harry save in the Mirrorverse?" Assuming self-containment. The other way I see this question, and the potentially far more interesting(though possibly less-likely) is: "Who does Harry save in the Primeverse via retrieving their alternate self from the Mirrorverse?"
This reason I suggest this alternative spin on the question is the, honestly, if MM ends up being a self-contained side-trip done solely for the thrill of having Harry jump dimensions... it will be a waste. SOMETHING that happens in the Mirrorverse MUST effect what goes down in the Primeverse. Or, why does it happen at all? So! I put forward that Harry - in the tradition of Star Treck and Anne McCafrey's Dragonflight and lots and lots of other time-travel stories everywhere - brings someone BACK with him. Or, at least learns something MAJOR while in the Mirrorverse. Both? I don't know.
But, I figured I'd throw the possibility out there for people to speculate on. If it were to happen, I doubt it would be Morgan. He's not really the kind of guy to skirt the edges of the Laws.
NOTE: I couldn't find a pithy way to fit this last part in, so I'm just gonna put it out there, too. Another option could even be that Harry - in his fashion of doing silly things with magic - brings back someone who DIDN'T die yet. So, we get two of the same person, but with wildly different experiences over the last decade, running around.
Thoughts?
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I think I prefer him to bring some object or item back as an ace in hole, a little secret that nobody knows.
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Hannah Asher. They are both on the run and wanted by the Wardens. Harry will take the opportunity to save her from getting stuck as Lasciel's Host.
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Hannah Asher. They are both on the run and wanted by the Wardens. Harry will take the opportunity to save her from getting stuck as Lasciel's Host.
I'm kind of expecting -Harry to have taken up the coin himself, unless things had already diverged so far by DM that Nicodemus never offered it to him.
The other way I see this question, and the potentially far more interesting(though possibly less-likely) is: "Who does Harry save in the Primeverse via retrieving their alternate self from the Mirrorverse?"
It's not like we can do this every week. We get three or four more of these, tops.
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I'm kind of expecting -Harry to have taken up the coin himself, unless things had already diverged so far by DM that Nicodemus never offered it to him.
Its certainly possible, but I'm guessing that if Mirror Harry is resorting to body-snatching as a way of keeping the White Council off his trail, he probably doesn't have the Coin. The Denarians never seem to be desperately looking for ways to evade pursuit. Quite the contrary, they usually seem to be pretty well off and reasonably secure in their place in the world except when the Knights of the Cross show up. Also, if Mirror Harry had Lasciel's Coin, he would be a part of the Denarians as a whole, which would make him another signatory of the Accords, and as such, insulated from any sort of punitive measures the White Council would want to dish out.
I like the Asher angle since she would represent some sort of kindred soul to Mirror Harry. On the run from the White Council. A powerful wizard who feels railroaded by the White Council's draconian rules that they feel are out of line with how Harry and Hannah feel their situations should be viewed, and so on. I can also easily see our Harry meeting up with Mirror Hannah and, knowing full well how she turned out when she took up Lasciel's Coin in our universe, he tries to help her to keep her from ending up the same way. I could also easily see Jim having our Harry bring her back to our universe. The White Council here think's she's dead, and doing so would put her beyond the reach of the Mirror White Council. Having our Harry "save" Mirror Hannah would also give Jim an easy way to have Harry retcon something from our universe without throwing things completely out of whack.
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Maeve. Importantly, uninfected Maeve.
My idea on the different decision is Harry refusing to use Amoracchius against Lea to renege on his deal, and escaping some other way. Lea is unable to trade the Sword for the athame, and so it isn't given to her. The infection never spreads to the Winter Lady. (The athame is instead given to Ferrovax, which makes stuff way worse).
Harry brings her back across, Maeve is shown how much better Molly is at being the Winter Lady than she ever was, and suffers a change of heart. She takes over for Prime Winter Lady, and Molly drops her own Mantle on Halloween.
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I do not see Morgan being alive in the MMverse. If harry went to the dark side, one of the first things he would do is eliminate those most likely to come after him, like Morgan and Luccio, possibly Ramirez.
I can see -Harry actually being a member of the black council, which is where +Harry will get his next major clue about them; from his other-self.
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I can see -Harry actually being a member of the black council, which is where +Harry will get his next major clue about them; from his other-self.
Absolutely. BUT, even with the knowledge of some of the BC identities, he can't be "truly 100% convinced" that the counterpart in our universe is BC as well. The "could" have only been BC in the Mirror universe, so Jim gets to torture Harry (and us by extension) once he returns with Harry suspecting at least some of his friends of being BC, but with no proof of it - just a whole lot of suspicion and reading between the lines for everything they do...
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Since the time won't have changed, I could totally see our Harry trying to find a Rampire who is half turned, and try to sacrifice them instead of Susan and save her.
That won't happen, but it would be an interesting side story.
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Since the time won't have changed, I could totally see our Harry trying to find a Rampire who is half turned, and try to sacrifice them instead of Susan and save her.
That won't happen, but it would be an interesting side story.
The opening dialogue in GP is Michael lecturing Harry on the need to declare his love. I don't see any way around the changed decision being that Harry never tells Susan he loves her and instead kills her at the end of the book. That means Susan won't be alive in MM to save.
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Killing Susan, without expressing his feelings, at the end of GP would definitely turn him to the dark side.
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Killing Susan, without expressing his feelings, at the end of GP would definitely turn him to the dark side.
I just saw WOJ in the future files tidbits section saying the MM choice is the big one Harry makes at the end of Grave Peril. I'm now more convinced then ever it was his choice to tell Susan he loves her and let her kill him v. defending himself.
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How would this have affected the next book, SK, if Harry had killed Susan? That was the first really big, gotta save the world and myself book.
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How would this have affected the next book, SK, if Harry had killed Susan? That was the first really big, gotta save the world and myself book.
Well, instead of spending a year trying to save her, he would have spent a year hating himself for a different reason. But if he had used magic to do it, the black magic taint might have made him feel less guilty about it. More willing to pull the trigger in the future. Those hitmen in the opening scene of Summer Knight? Instead of winging them with his force ring, maybe he just burns them to death. Self-defense, after all.
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Since Murphy was still recovering from mental attack and her actions in this book helped her to rebound in confidence by helping Harry. Would that still be a possibility?