Maggie LeFay, Morgan LeFay, is that a generational name, are they related?
No, the “LeFay” is something that gets added as an honorific in the wizarding community, it’s one of those kind of mixed names that you give somebody that is sort of a name that she’s earned, so it’s a bit of status, and it also means you’re insane. Which everybody thought Harry’s mom was, being a big-time explorer of Ways and hanging out with Faeries and generally kind of doing things that most wizards considered to be pretty crazily, stupidly dangerous. When you’re somebody who can live for three or four hundred years as long as nothing goes wrong, you tend to be a little conservative, really, you get a lot of benefit from that. And certainly, in Maggie’s case, she was bucking the trend, and we’ll probably get into a little bit more of why she was doing that later in the books.
) Well, in point of fact, there /was/ a specific Merlin in the Dresden Files universe. He was a critical figure, back in the day, so much so that when he disappeared, his shoes /had/ to be filled.
This is a very good catch, knnn! I agree that Morgana was likely patient zero for Nemesis.
Which of course, begs the question: why did Lea agree to receive the Athame in Grave Peril? It almost seems as though Lea (and by extension, the Winter Court) was not aware that Morgana had been infected by Nemesis all those years ago.
On the other hand, Titania knew Nemesis' name. Maybe Morgana spent her time with Summer instead of Winter?
I grew too arrogant with the power I held. I thought I could overcome what stalks us all.
In PG Lea mentions:QuoteI grew too arrogant with the power I held. I thought I could overcome what stalks us all.
Given our current understand, she may well be referencing Nemesis. It's not obvious from the text when she grew arrogant. Maybe she felt powerful enough during GP (e.g. because of her bargain with Starborn Harry, or because she was in possession of Ammorachius) to be able to accept the Athame without being corrupted?
According to Bulfinch's Mythology Morgan Le Fay was the fairy sister to King Authur, she was also known as Morgaine or Mogana. Morgana was known as an enchantress and identified with the Lady of the Lake in Orlando Furioso.
I wonder if in the jIm verse she was Titania's predecessor?Why predecessor? Titania is Mab's sister, is she not?
Why predecessor? Titania is Mab's sister, is she not?
I have been toying with the idea of Morgana being Mab for quite some time. I'm not sure if that idea still holds up. But I believe she will have an appearance in one form or another.
Morgan Le Fey (the original) is deadIs that from a WoJ or from the original? Because I could see Jim taking some liberties, when it comes to little details like the death of a character. ;)
Because:
Morgan Le Fey (the original) is dead
Titania is very likely not Mab's sister due to the mother winter issue
the mantle remakes the person, and I dont think there is much of the original person in titania left.
I am still not convinced, despite Bob's comment to the contrary, that the mantle remakes a person.
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Any change that occurred in Titania, and by extension, Harry and Molly, would be as a result of choices they made.
I am still not convinced, despite Bob's comment to the contrary, that the mantle remakes a person.
1. Uriel in GS: "Lies. Mab cannot change who you are." and "You are a soul; you have a body." Both are strong indicators that choice is still choice, despite the mantle.
2. A mantle is just that - something that is placed upon you. Kringle/Odin even goes so far as to say that mask=mantle as far as meaning. One can be put off or taken up. Again implying choice.
3. Mother Summer also indicated that the changes wrought by Harry's mantle can be resisted, although few do. Why should another mantle be any different?
Any change that occurred in Titania, and by extension, Harry and Molly, would be as a result of choices they made.
yep, as i noted, this charchter has a long, long history going all the way back to the red branch celtic legends- where she was Mab's sister.
I wonder if in the jIm verse she was Titania's predecessor?
when it comes to implacable will or super human intellignece, summer just ahsnt impressed me that much, yet.
Because:If that were true she would have killed Harry.
Morgan Le Fey (the original) is dead
Titania is very likely not Mab's sister due to the mother winter issue
the mantle remakes the person, and I dont think there is much of the original person in titania left.
Hmm... we do know from WoJ that the current Mother Summer has not had that mantle as long as Mother Winter has (the previous Mother Summer abdicated). If you are right, and Morgana was Titania's predecessor, would that make her the current Mother Summer?
I suspect that that implacable will and super human intelligence are not summer's purpose. They seem to exist to balance out those excesses, so that humanity and free will may flourish in the middle.
pretty much. bit it means 'bleeps' to be them. tho eldest gruff seems to be operatign with all trubines running, so maybes its just titania, lilly, and auruara.Mother Summer seems to have everything under control so I think it is just the combination of Mantle and person that counts.
Mother Summer seems to have everything under control so I think it is just the combination of Mantle and person that counts.
I was actually going to use Lea as a comparison, instead. She doesn't seem nearly as cold and implacable as Mab, either (for example, her taking care of Susan's remains in Changes),
I am not seeing that as notably different from the bit in CD about burying the deceased ladies on Demonreach, fwiw.
After all, per WoJ, Harry only succeeded in killing Aurora because Titania allowed it to happen for the sake of the balance.
I was actually going to use Lea as a comparison, instead. She doesn't seem nearly as cold and implacable as Mab, either (for example, her taking care of Susan's remains in Changes), the same way as Eldest Gruff isn't as passionate as Titania. So yeah, it may be a mantle thing.
I don't recall seeing that one, and I'd rather like to, as I've believed that for some time.
Mab as orchestrator of all is just a little much for me to swallow. Seems like she loses a lot more than she gains, and I don't think Mab is big on coming out behind in her negotiations.
Yeah. It sure looks that way from here, don't it.
But to correct some minor stuff: the fetches aren't even /close/ to her strongest servitors. They're her couriers, harassers, spies and occasional assassins. Captain Kudzu was a being that was deemed more-or-less sufficient on the badassometer, but nothing to write home about. The fetches main use, to Mab, isn't as battlefield thugs. She's got /plenty/ of other things for that. Another mild correction: who says Mab /lost/ the battle at Arctis Tor, before Harry and Company arrived? At the end of the day, the Winter Queen was still in her fortress--but you didn't see anyone standing around assaulting the place, did ya. Also, it has probably occurred to more than one of you that if Mab was /really/ in trouble, she could have had the entire military might of Faerie back at the fortress in moments--exactly the way they *did* come back when Harry smacked the Winter Well with the fires of Summer.
(Which goes to show that while Mab may be canny to an inhuman degree, she isn't infallible. Just way closer to infallible than us.)
See above regarding "the question is *why*?"
Ask yourself why Mab had Molly brought in. What chain of events did that set in motion? What secondary effects came about because of it? Ultimately, Mab can always go to the Wyld and draw in more muscle to replace fallen thugs. If worst comes to worst, with just a few "seed" fae, she could rear up enough Changelings to repopulate her cadre within a human generation or two--nothing, to a being thousands of years old.
As far as she's concerned, everyone and everything is expendable, including herself, when it comes to adhering to her (seemingly irrational and inexplicable) priorities.
(And by the way--don't think Titania is much better. When push came to shove, she let her own daughter be murdered rather than upset the balance of the Faerie Courts. At least Mab is up front about it. Usually.)
Sacrifice her best troops? Mab would sacrifice every creature *in* Winter, every one she could bring from Summer, and every single mortal on planet Earth if that's what she thought was appropriate. And she wouldn't even need to add extra sugar to her cup of tea afterwards, much less lose sleep over it.
But no one does cold-blooded like the Queen of Winter. Mab's been in the business a long time, she's got a balance sheet, and she is *not* going to come out in the red--
--unless, of course, she really *has* stripped a gear, as Lily and Maeve believe. In which case there's a stark raving bonkers demigoddess whose powers are no longer being held in check by the Escher-esque code of Sidhe behavior. And that's all kinds of bad.
But hey. It's probably not that. I mean, not *everything* that happens can be the absolute worst possible possibility, right?
Jim
because the amntle, i think, is very much like the shadow. it can be reisisted, if you choose to. but non one ever said it was easy; and since its much stronger then the fallen (the queens at least) it would take a truly immense will to resist it for years..much less millenia
Like Mab's
when it comes to implacable will or super human intellignece, summer just ahsnt impressed me that much, yet.
This talk of mantles makes me think of the White Court's Hunger Demon. Different mechanism, similar process and outcome.Mantle, Demon, ....
Because:
Morgan Le Fey (the original) is dead