Another WAG I've had that supports the Mab connection.
Harry was saved from using LC by a timely phone call from Molly. Assuming someone knew Harry was about to use it and wanted to save him, the easiest method would be to have a chat with Molly at the police station to help her realize she already knows someone who can help - Harry.
We've seen Mab use false personas. I think she appeared to Molly off-screen masquerading as a friendly ear and prompted the call to Harry. It makes more sense than Molly fortuitously calling at that exact moment.
Why did Mouse growl then but not later?This is my understanding of Mouse growling.
Molly smiled at the dog and reached down to pet him.
Mouse tensed up, and a low rumbling came from his chest. Molly moved her hand toward him again, and my dog’s chest suddenly rumbled with a deep and warning growl.
The last time Mouse had growled at anything—for that matter, made much noise at all—it had been a crazed sorcerer who made fair headway toward eviscerating me, and summoned a twenty-foot-long demon cobra to kill my dog. Mouse killed it instead. Then, at my command, Mouse killed the sorcerer, too.
And now he was growling at Molly.
“Be polite,” I told him firmly. “She’s a friend.”
Mouse gave me a look and then fell quiet again. He sat calmly as Molly let him sniff her hand and scratch at his ears, but his wary body language didn’t change.
Molly got it. Her face went white and she whispered, “Oh, God. She’ll be so…” She folded her arms and shook her head several times. Then she said,
“I’ve got to…” She looked around, and in a louder voice said, “I’m dying for coffee. Anyone else need some?”
Nobody did. Molly picked up her purse and turned around to walk for the door. In doing so, she brushed within a foot or two of Mouse. Instead of growling, though, Mouse leaned his head affectionately against her leg as she went by, and cadged a few ear scratches from the girl before she left.
I frowned at Mouse after Molly had gone. “Are you going bipolar on me?”
He settled down again immediately. Murphy went on asking Rosie fairly predictable questions about the attack.
This is my understanding of Mouse growling.
First, Harry assumed Mouse was growling at the car parked behind in police parking lot. It turned out to be Thomas. So, was there something in the police HQ that Mouse was growling at.
Second, We assume Mouse was picking up on black magic on Molly
Yeah, It was why I had wondered if it was a TTMolly that Mouse had met on one occasion and the real Molly on the other. But, that kinda gets a bit TT screwy.
Less TT screwy would be say Goodman Grey, or someone like him, impersonated Molly in first interaction.
Sure, but it doesn't make sense that Mouse would pick up on it at the police station but not be similarly distressed later. The Gatekeeper's note specifies that it's been "repeated acts of black magic over the last ten days," and we know Nelson was hit first. It's not like she had just done some black magic, you know? Rosie's was fresher, so he should be more on edge.This is very possible. Does anyone recall a passing mention of a "Joe Nobody" type character walking by or hanging out?
Unless he took Harry's "She's a friend" to heart, and just gave it a pass.
Holy crap, I never even thought about that at all.My assumption was He could See Nemesis inside her, THAT'S what wanted Harry involved in it. (if you look at the mirror mechanism used by the fetches for become, and apply that to the soul as a mirror...)
Why did Mouse growl then but not later? It wasn't Nelson's presence, because Mouse was fine in the hospital with the girl, and Molly had done the same thing to both of them.
Sure, but it doesn't make sense that Mouse would pick up on it at the police station but not be similarly distressed later. The Gatekeeper's note specifies that it's been "repeated acts of black magic over the last ten days," and we know Nelson was hit first. It's not like she had just done some black magic, you know? Rosie's was fresher, so he should be more on edge.Let's face it, Mouse isn't going to just hate on someone forever just because they've got that touch of black magic on them. After all, Harry.,
Unless he took Harry's "She's a friend" to heart, and just gave it a pass.
@raidem,
Actually all you did is post about your theories. I put you on ignore about 3 years ago because this is my opinion of what you do. You post about what you think repeatedly. With the forum's going away, I removed that. So how about this, make a post critiquing what I wrote without mentioning anything that you have ever posted. Compare what I wrote to the text of the books and WoJ's, etc. The point of the exercise is to see how well what the Theory Wrote compares to the information that we have.
You have posted the same stuff for years about time travel and alternate realities and such. My theory is that NONE of that happened in PG. That there is NO Time Travel NOR is there any Alternate Reality NOR is there any Special Connection, except as I have spelled out. This was Mab saving Molly. In a Mab way.
taking Bob to the hotel seemed odd. It created a rare opportunity where noone was in Harry's place.
I, respectfully, have to disagree on your secondary motive. Murphy, would have been more useful as an authority figure for the police force. Granted, her freedom increased with loss of position; but, she lost resources that came with her position. Question, prior to CD, were Mab and Murphy ever in each other's presence or has Mab ever made reference to Murphy? While I believe that Mab knew of Murphy and her ties to Harry, I don't think that Mab credited her with much significance.
Murphy fighting the chlorofiend wasn't impressive - Aurora wasn't able to harm Murphy because Murphy wasn't an emissary so wasn't connected to the Fae.
It was like Lois Lane using kryptonite to fight Superman.
Marcone does have greater authority, unofficially. I just feel that Mab didn't care whether Murphy was a cop or not. She sees Murphy as a Dresden-connected pawn with connections and willingness to face the supernatural.
Question, prior to CD, were Mab and Murphy ever in each other's presence or has Mab ever made reference to Murphy? While I believe that Mab knew of Murphy and her ties to Harry, I don't think that Mab credited her with much significance.
Finally, Ace likely is the one that hits Harry's car.
Compare what I wrote to the text of the books and WoJ's, etc. The point of the exercise is to see how well what the Theory Wrote compares to the information that we have.All of that, is kinda wasted space because I agreed with your theory with the caveat that PG in many people's mind is probably one book where there will be a revisit of some kind which does include time travel.
You have posted the same stuff for years about time travel and alternate realities and such. My theory is that NONE of that happened in PG. That there is NO Time Travel NOR is there any Alternate Reality NOR is there any Special Connection, except as I have spelled out. This was Mab saving Molly. In a Mab way.
Finally, Time Travel is a horrible answer in this series.
No offense intended to you, Raidem; you aren't simply throwing this out there with no reasonable evidence. There are parallels between Murphy and Mab to be drawn. I just don't think they indicate time travel.
Things come back 10 years later in this series.
She wiped at her mouth and looked at her watch. She tucked the last of her sandwich between her lips, and then started resetting the watch while she chewed.
“Gone almost exactly twenty-four hours. So we did some kind of time travel?” she asked.
“Oh, God no,” I said. “That’s on the list of Things One Does Not Do. It’s one of the seven Laws of Magic.”
“Maybe,” she said. “But however it happened, a whole day just went poof.
That’s time travel.”
“People are doing that kind of time travel all the time,” I said. “We just pulled into the passing lane for a while.”
She finished setting the watch and grimaced. “All the same.”
I frowned at her. “You okay?”
She looked up at the children and their mother. “I’m going to have one hell of a time explaining where I’ve been for the past twenty-four hours. It isn’t as though I can tell my boss that I went time traveling.”
“Yeah, he’d never buy it. Tell him you invaded Faerieland to rescue a young woman from a monster-infested castle.”
“Of course,” she said. “Why didn’t I think of that?”
I grunted. “Is it going to make trouble for you?”
She frowned for a moment and then said, “Intradepartmental discipline, probably.
when suddenly the silver starlight turned bright azure blue.
“What is that?” I asked, pointing at the sky.
“A temporal pressure wave,” the Erlking said, his flaming eyes narrowed.
“A wha’?” I asked.
The Erlking looked at Kringle. “This is your area of expertise. Explain it.”
“Someone is bending time against us,” Kringle said.
I stared at him for a second and then it clicked. “We’re being rushed forward so that we’ll get there too late,” I said. “We’re looking at a Doppler shift.”
“Is what he said correct?” the Erlking asked Kringle curiously.
“Essentially, aye. We’ve already lost half of an hour by my count.”
“Who could have done this?” I asked.
“You have encountered this before, wizard,” Kringle said. “Can you not guess?”
“One of the Queens,” I muttered. “Or someone operating on their level. Can we get out of this wave?”
Unfortunately, beetnemesis, you are probably right. Bob gives a lecture about time travel in PG but there is no time travel reveal. Which means either JB put effort into a magical theory explanation that was mostly irrelevant, or there actually was TT in PG and we just didn't see it happening.Bob did that lecture fairly early in the book, didn't he?
Bob did that lecture fairly early in the book, didn't he?
Like the third chapter, right as Harry goes home. Not even fifty pages in. It's the infodump to explain why Rashid was so vague about there being black magic.Ah.. but most every info dump has at least two purposes Imo, if you can find them.
To inform and to distract.Or it could be three-fold. To inform, distract, and plant seeds.
The answer lies in the future roles planned for Molly Carpenter. Mab's desire to have her and Harry positioned for future work is the driving force of the story.
Remember this is all kicked off by a letter from the Gatekeeper. We now know that he hangs with a lot of folks from Winter and is working with Mab to defend the Outer Gates. His message was about Black Magic in Chicago. Harry gets this message right after the execution of a Warlock.
Molly, at this point, is a Warlock and clearly on a downward slope. Charity admits that she had problems and future events (particularly TC, Changes, and GS) show that Molly is touched by darkness. Imagine that Harry does not act. I would consider it likely that Molly would be full Warlock and be executed. The primary outcome of PG is that Molly is saved from immediate Warlockdom and is Harry's apprentice.
The entire scenario would be set up for Glau to monitor Molly's progress to evil. I agree with Harry that Glau was a cutout and that leads to the answer to the next two questions.
Mab sent the fetches to kidnap Molly to keep her away from the Black Council. They were upset enough about this that they attacked Arctus Tor.
That means it is Mab that fixes Little Chicago. She does so because she wants Harry to succeed in his rescue. This is similar to the help she gave him by calling Thomas in CD. I want to point out that this plot is similar to (in some ways) the Archive in SmF. Mab tried to kidnap the Archive so that the Denarians could not (and failed). In the PG case put Molly in instead of the Archive. She does not make these things easy for Harry (remember the line about preparing Harry to become Winter Knight).
The other thing that gets accomplished in PG is that Mab shows Nemesis to Harry. He does not recognize it but it is called a sickness and several nFected sidhe are part of the story. If Mab is listening in to the conversation at Mac's with Maeve, then she would know that Maeve in nFected right then.
Finally, Ace likely is the one that hits Harry's car. He is likely the bomber of Murphy's car in WN.
If you can not see the problem with going back in time, then remember this - if you can...do the "Kill the bad guy" thing before it becomes a problem for Harry. Why would TT Harry just not wait at Molly's, Kill the Fetches, and move along. He knows they are showing up.
That is much too simple and too pat for me. Elsewhere I said I think Lash made the whole car accident up. Harry details Lash's illusory powers directly before it happens and there are no witnesses. Why?
Grayson came ambling over to us. "Wrecker's on the way," he said. "What do we got here?"
"Hit and run," Murphy said.
Grayson lifted his eyebrows and eyed me. "Yeah? Looked to me like you got hit a couple of times. On purpose-like."
"You sure it was deliberate?"
"Yeah. But whoever it was, he wasn't a pro."
"Why do you say that?"
"If he had been, he'd have spun me easy. No idea he was there until he'd hit me. Could have bumped me into a spin before I could have straightened out. Flipped my car a few times. Killed me pretty good." I rubbed at the back of my neck. A nice, all-body ache was already spreading out into my muscles. "Isn't exactly the best place for it, either."
Murphy comes and sees the actual damage.
Theory doesn't fit.
"Murphy" comes and sees the actual damage.
Does she ever mention it later?
At some point during the book doesn't she mention Harry's unknown hit and run driver being an unresolved plot thread?
Shhhhhhhhh. You guys are ruining perfectly good speculation fodder by bringing up the actual events of the book and applying critical thinking.Them darn facts keep getting in the way of fantasy. I hate them too.
I maybe misspoke. I don't mean that Harry's car doesn't have damage. I think Harry caused what damage there was himself trying to save himself from a car that only he could see.We still have the cop on the scene commenting on intentional damage:
Grayson came ambling over to us. "Wrecker's on the way," he said. "What do we got here?"Unless Lash somehow caused Harry to damage the car in such a way that it looks like another car was involved.
"Hit and run," Murphy said.
Grayson lifted his eyebrows and eyed me. "Yeah? Looked to me like you got hit a couple of times. On purpose-like."
We still have the cop on the scene commenting on intentional damage:Unless Lash somehow caused Harry to damage the car in such a way that it looks like another car was involved.Of course not. It's just that since we know Lash can make a fake person look real to Harry, and as we see with Hannah, can alter what people hear, we then get to ignore literally anything at all that we don't like, under the umbrella of "Lash made Harry think something else."
He grunted in the affirmative. "Don't forget the other loose end."
I frowned and thought back over it. "Huh," I said. "You're right. Who was driving that car that ran into me?"
"Exactly," he said.
Of course not. It's just that since we know Lash can make a fake person look real to Harry, and as we see with Hannah, can alter what people hear, we then get to ignore literally anything at all that we don't like, under the umbrella of "Lash made Harry think something else."
While that is possible; it could also be possible that Lash has assumed a different role in the universe.
Would the shadow of a soul have an afterlife?Shadow of a fallen fueled by a mortal soul/life... Mmm, she's at least as malleable as the material she is created from, Doth not Dresden get an after life?