There was a WoJ somewhere (I can't find it now) that talked about how he repetitively uses words for characters, in order to quickly invoke a particular recognition in the reader.It was from Jim's LiveJournal, not on here. Here's an excerpt (more here: http://jimbutcher.livejournal.com/ )
Thank you for putting this together, really interesting, will use this as a guide to look forward in new books :P.Interesting insights ... they make sense too. I think I'm going to read Jim's Live Journal now ... thanks!
Isn't there a reference to familiarity when Cowl opens up his gate in the Deeps, re: the musty, stagnant smell?
Isn't there a reference to familiarity when Cowl opens up his gate in the Deeps, re: the musty, stagnant smell?
So you're saying that Cowl and Kumori are not infected?
with an effort of will I caught the dark power coursing down into the girl before it could do her harm.
Pain erupted in my left palm. The power was cold—and not mountain-breeze cold, either. It was slimy and nauseating, like something that had come slinking out from the depths of some enormous subterranean sea. In that instant of contact, my head exploded with terror. This power, this black magic, was wrong. Fundamentally, nightmarishly, intensely wrong.
Elaine - Infection HIGHLY PROBABLE. Elaine uses magic several times in SK and WN, but the only time she uses magic for evil is when she casts the mind fog. In that instance, Harry notes feeling almost every single key word for Outsiders. What's more, he picked more of that same feeling (for the first time) when he returned home and found her under DuMorne's compulsion.
The other thing to watch out for is that greasy is also used a fair bit for the Red Court's bat-like form, alongside slimy (and flabby, but I suspect that's less relevant).
What about the Eldest Fetch's and Lord Raiths magic immunity? I remember those two both being described similarly.
I'm inclined to put the fire being put out in Arctis Tor as being just a feature of where they were rather than anything else, force spells worked just fine against Eldest Fetch for example and fire spells used against it outside Arctis Tor simply did the "splash off harmlessly" thing rather than stopping way before they got there.
Here is my preferred working hypothesis for what's going on in PG:
The Scarecrow is a "Black Council" agent - in this case a Circle agent.
Compare, Harry, p.476 of PG pb: "Consider all these things running around with more power than they should have had." With p.366 ibid "This thing was no fetch, no changer of form and image and illusion. There was no shadowy mask over an amorphous form, no glamour altering its appearance, which my salve would have enabled me to see through. This thing was a whole independent creature. Except maybe it was a fetch so old and strong... " (Emphasis mine.) The "old strong fetch" theory is not what one might call confirmed.
Compare also, p. 368 ibid, "A lance of flame as thick as my wrist lashed out from the tip of the rod - and died two feet away from it, the burning energy of the strike swallowed by an unfathomable ocean of cold cold power." That's not how entities toughing it out against Harry's fire from sheer resilience behave - see Grum in Reuel's apartment in SK, see Ursiel in DM. What it is reminiscent of is Lord Raith's immunity to magic. Which we are pretty certain is Outsider based, which leads back to the Circle again.
The resulting cannonball of blazing force struck the Scarecrow head-on while it was twenty feet away, exploding into a column of searing red flame, an inferno of heat and light that went off with enough force to throw the thing halfway across Lake Michigan.
Imagine my surprise when the Scarecrow stepped through my spell as if it had not existed. Its eyes regarded me with far too much awareness, and its arm moved, striking-snake fast.
This the quote you wanted me to provide?
I was talking about the description of Lord Raiths magic immunity actually. Sorry for not being clear :-[.
And felt nothing. Not just empty air and drifting dust, but nothing. A cold and somehow hungry emptiness that filled the space where he should have been. I'd felt something like it before, when I'd been near a mote of one of the deadliest substances that any world of flesh or spirit had ever known. My power, my magic, the flowing spirit of life, just vanished into it without getting near Raith.
You should add empty to your list. that’s how lord raith felt to harry when he has outside protection
It looks more like he's saying that it's doubtful they're infected really. ;DDoubtful that they're infected. I'm convinced they're involved, but they may have avoided actual infection. They seem to fall more into Duck's theories about mortals wielding Outsiders as a weapon.
The analysis is specifically looking for common terminology between Outsiders' magic description and mortal magic descriptions. My hesitance to include "hungry"/"empty" is due to the lack of association with the Outsiders. Mordite is described as empty and hungry, and consumes everything from our reality. And Raith's magic is also listed as "empty". But I don't think we have evidence in the books that Raith's magic immunity is tied to Outsiders. There may have been a WoJ on it a while back, but I haven't read it recently.
Doubtful that they're infected. I'm convinced they're involved, but they may have avoided actual infection. They seem to fall more into Duck's theories about mortals wielding Outsiders as a weapon.
I think Eb said something about Raith being protected by outsiders. Back when he was explaining Mag Sr.'s death and why he thought her deathcurse did nothing.
"He's protected," he said quietly. "Magic just slides off him."
"Even a death curse?"
"Useless," he said bitterly. "Raith is protected by something big. Maybe a big damned demon. Maybe even some old god. He can't be touched with magic."
The analysis is specifically looking for common terminology between Outsiders' magic description and mortal magic descriptions. My hesitance to include "hungry"/"empty" is due to the lack of association with the Outsiders. Mordite is described as empty and hungry, and consumes everything from our reality. And Raith's magic is also listed as "empty". But I don't think we have evidence in the books that Raith's magic immunity is tied to Outsiders. There may have been a WoJ on it a while back, but I haven't read it recently.
Doubtful that they're infected. I'm convinced they're involved, but they may have avoided actual infection. They seem to fall more into Duck's theories about mortals wielding Outsiders as a weapon.
But the evidence was from DB. Cowl was also badly injured at the end of that, and we haven't seen him properly in action since then. So it's possible he's become infected by CD, but we don't know.
“What the hell,” he said, and shook the light a few times. He had his hand on his gun, the restraining strap off, but he hadn’t drawn it yet. Good man. He knew as well as I did that the hotel was going to have far more panicked attendees than potential threats.The ward:
“We’ll try mine,” I said, and got the silver pentacle on its chain from around my neck. A gentle whisper and an effort of will and the amulet began to emit a pure, silver-blue light that reached into the darkness around us, burning it away as swiftly as it pressed in, until we could see for maybe fifteen feet around us. Beyond that was just a murky vagueness— not so much a cloud or a mist as a simple lack of light.
struggled to ignore the sounds of frightened people in the dark and focused on my magical senses. I reached out to the cold and the gloom, and found it a vaguely familiar kind of spellworking, though I couldn’t remember precisely where I’d encountered it before.
I nodded once at him, turned, and plunged into the darkness, Rawlins at my back. Screams erupted around us, sometimes accompanied by the sight of stumbling, terrified people. Rawlins nudged them toward the walls, barked at them in a tone of pure paternal authority to stay near them, to move carefully for the exits. The gloom began to press in closer to me, and it became an effort of will to hold up the light in my amulet against it. A few steps more and the air grew even colder. Walking forward became an effort, like wading through waist-deep water. I had to lean against it, and I heard a grunt of effort come out of my mouth. “What’s wrong?” Rawlins asked, his voice tight.
We passed under one of the hotel’s emergency light fixtures, its floodlights only dim orange rings in the murk until my amulet’s light burned the shadows away. “Dark magic,” I growled through clenched teeth. “A kind of ward. Trying to keep me from moving ahead.”
@Griffyn
So.
I liked the OP a lot, especially the tracking of keywords. After a few days, here is my reaction:
Basically you make two statements:
1. There are some keywords associated to outsider-magic/infection: oily, cloying, greasy, slithering, nauseating
2. Elaine is infected
I'm only half-convinced about the first one. Firstly, greasy is linked to all vampires, so using it to identify infected characters would lead to a lot of false positive. Secondly, while I agree those keywords are linked to the Outside, I'm not sure there are linked to the infection.
Case in point : I tried to use your technic with the scene in PG where some unknown person is using magic behind the scenes.
Here is the description of the magic.
The murk:The ward:
We see some keywords, but not the ones linked to Nemesis according to the OP.
So that would mean that the caster was not infected.
The way I see it, if my theory about Maeve at Splattercon!! is true, then yours is false, as Maeve is infected. So that weakens a lot yours as mine has 35% chances of being correct.
Now let's assume that your theory is right. Then it helps us a lot to understand that scene. Who are the candidates? Maeve, Elaine, Sandra, Mavra. Maeve can't be the one. Probably not Elaine, as she's linked to the keywords. So it's Mavra and Sandra. I would say it's not Mavra as : the keyword empty is not there, she was not in Chicago, she doesn't care about the event in PG. So that leaves Sandra.
So that would mean that it's either Maeve or Sandra. Guess we'll have to wait for a WOJ to be sure.
Concerning Elaine, I agree that she becomes quite suspicious.
To conclude, I would guess that the keywords are linked to all outsider-based magic, but not to the infection. So I still believe that Cowl is infected, and that Maeve was at Splattercon!!!.
A sort of greasy, nauseating cold flooded over my perceptions, stealing my
breath.
I managed to get to one knee just as a cold, slithery feeling washed down my spine.
Bob was owned by Kemmler, but I don't think Bob was created by Kemmler.
Evil Bob, to my mind, is Kemmler's Bob entirely excised from regular Bob, without any of his less murderous history. Not something "created" by Kemmler, but the condensed version of regular Bob's interactions with Kemmler. A radical difference in personality would be explained by the abrupt change in ownership, rather than each new owner making a new shell program.bob clearly states in DB kemmler twisted his purpose and made him into something he was not, made = created or close enough. its clear kemmlers interactions with bob were not limited to what other wizards did with him.
bob clearly states in DB kemmler twisted his purpose and made him into something he was not, made = created or close enough. its clear kemmlers interactions with bob were not limited to what other wizards did with him.
Could that be because Kemmler basically used him as a wrecking ball more than as a research assistant?wrecking ball how? i was thinking, since bob possesses his own magic that kemmler twisted him into working with the 'true' magic. making him kinda necromantic in nature.
wrecking ball how? i was thinking, since bob possesses his own magic that kemmler twisted him into working with the 'true' magic. making him kinda necromantic in nature.
By sending him out to go kill things and the like, Luccio's comments in Small Favour make it sound like Bob was sent out to go commit a few atrocities while under Kemmler's control.ah... damn. only ever read SmF, BR and WN (WK?) once as they are not part of my collection. so its been awhile, really need to head to the library and borrow them for a refresher.
By sending him out to go kill things and the like, Luccio's comments in Small Favour make it sound like Bob was sent out to go commit a few atrocities while under Kemmler's control.
“Nor would I,” Luccio said. “That could be a true nightmare. All that knowledge, without conscience to direct it. The necromancer Kemmler had such a spirit in his service, a sort of miniature version of the Archive. Nowhere near as powerful, but it had been studying and learning beside wizards for generations, and the things it was capable of were appalling.” She shook her head.
I took a sip of tea, because otherwise the gulp would have been suspicious. She was talking about Bob. And she was right about what Bob was capable of doing. When I’d unlocked the personality he’d taken on under some of his former owners, he’d nearly killed me.
“The Wardens destroyed it, of course,” she said.
No, they hadn’t. Justin DuMorne, former Warden, hadn’t destroyed the skull. He’d smuggled it from Kemmler’s lab and kept it in his own—until I’d burned him to death, and taken it from him in turn. “It was just too much power under too little restraint. And it’s entirely possible that the Archive could become a similar threat on a far larger scale. I know you care about the child, Harry. But you had to be warned. You might not be doing her any favors by acting like her friend.”
Butcher, Jim (2009-03-03). Small Favor: A Novel of the Dresden Files (pp. 408-409). Penguin Group. Kindle Edition.
You're one to talk when it comes to wild speculation. :D
Proven Guilty
To your case about PG. If the greasy affect is a side-affect of some-one wielding dark magic, and Maeve cast the myrk spell, then we should expect it. But since I'm still not convinced it was Maeve casting the myrk, I'm not convinced that's proof against the theory.
the kind of look that gets girls that age in trouble with men who should be old enough to know better.
colored in all glacial shades of blue and green and deep violet,
I give you the official descriptions of Maeve:QuoteThe young woman who entered the bar could have been Lily’s sister. She had the same exotic beauty, the same canted, feline eyes, the same pale, flawless skin. But this one’s hair was worn in long, ragged strands of varying lengths, like a Raggedy Ann doll, each one dyed a slightly different color from frozen seas—pale blues and greens, as though each had borrowed its color from a different glacier. Her eyes were a cold, brilliant shade of green, almost entirely darkened by pupils dilated as though with drugs or arousal. A slender silver hoop gleamed at one side of her nose, and a collar of black leather studded with silver snowflakes encircled the graceful line of her slender throat. She wore sandals and cut-off blue jean shorts—very cut-off, and very tight. A tight, white T-shirt strained across her chest, and read, in pale blue letters stretched into intriguing curves, “YOUR BOYFRIEND WANTS ME.”QuoteShe looked young. Young enough to make a man feel guilty for thinking the wrong thoughts, but old enough to make it difficult not to. Her hair had been bound into long dreadlocks, each of them dyed a different shade, ranging from a deep lavender to pale blues and greens to pure white, so that it almost seemed that her hair had been formed from glacial ice. She wore leather pants of dark, dark blue, laced and open up the outside seams from calf to hip. Her boots matched the pants. She wore a white T-shirt tight enough to show the tips of her breasts straining against the fabric, framing the words OFF WITH HIS HEAD. She had hacked the shirt off at the top of her rib cage, leaving pale flesh exposed, along with a glitter of silver flashing at her navel.
Two girls, both too young for me to think adult thoughts about, sidled by in black-and-purple clothing and makeup that left a lot of skin bare, their faces painted pale, trickles of fake blood at the corners of their mouths. One of them smiled at me, and she had fangs.
Blamp Exceptions
The biggest issue I've found so far with my own hypothesis is that there are two additional descriptions I found of Blamps that fit the Outsider descriptions. In both cases, it was describing the magical essence of the Blamp, since neither were casting spells.
BR-pg. 20 (Black Court Vampire)
BR-pg. 123 (Black Court Vampire)
For these, it's reasonable to assume that the words are simply favorite of JB to describe dark magic in general, and have no bearing on Outsider infection. OR, there's a tie between Blampires and Outsiders. I find the latter unlikely, since Blamps are tied to Necromancy, which was described in detail in DB, and was lacking from Cowl and Kumori. Grevane and Corpsetaker both had some key words in their descriptions, but it's far more likely at that point that the words are favorites.
I don't want to derail the thread, but I found another clue that Maeve was at Splattercon!!!.
In CD we have a description:
Now let me quote the keyword analysis with earlier material:
So "young enough but old enough" is now used twice to describe her. This keyword is used a third time in the DF:
There are some highly speculative theories that the Blampires are linked to the outside.
- both are linked to unlife
- the BAT seems to be the ultimate consequence of the fall of the Black Council
- Typo in White Night? (missing WOJ)
MsDuck on the subject: here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452233.html#msg1452233).
is it worth thinking in terms of a control sample of whether Jim uses these words to describe dark magic in general that has no Outsider connection by checking for their frequency associated with hostile magic in the Codex Alera ?
I see only 4 options for the myrk at Splattercon!!!.
- Maeve was there, and cast the myrk to cause further disruption and chaos for the fetch.
- The fetch itself cast the myrk, just like the hobs in SmF did.
- Mab cast the myrk remotely from AT.
- TTH, as the WK, cast the myrk to slow down the phage's attack.
There's a few things I like to point out about that particular attack.
1) The fetch presumably manifested in the room itself, based on Harry's observation at the end that the fetch came through Rosie's compact mirror. So who wrenched open the door with enough strength to rip it off its hinges?
2) The myrk cast by the hobbs in SmF wiped out all light, including Harry's amulet, but did nothing to impede his progress physically. But the myrk in PG allowed both Harry's amulet and staff runes to glow enough around him to see up to 15 feet, yet there was a physical ward included that impeded his ability to navigate toward the theatre.
3) Harry observed (once again) that the magic seemed familiar. But Harry hadn't experienced a myrk yet in the books, and hadn't felt any magic of Maeve's, other than her come-hither trick.
“A summoner,” I said. “Given that someone actually threw a ward in my way the last time the phage showed up, that seems to be the most likely of the three.”
1) That's a really good point. It really strengthen the TTH theory. But as I'm stubborn, I'm still going to counter : Maeve didn't want to kill a lot of people (Mab says somewhere she never kill without purpose). She cast the ward to make Harry think there's a sorcerer calling the fetch, but she didn't want to let the whole theatre die:
"Yes," mused Mab's voice. "You will, won't you? And yes, you know that I do not kill indiscriminately, nor encourage my Knight to do so."
I see only 4 options for the myrk at Splattercon!!!.
- Maeve was there, and cast the myrk to cause further disruption and chaos for the fetch.
- The fetch itself cast the myrk, just like the hobs in SmF did.
- Mab cast the myrk remotely from AT.
- TTH, as the WK, cast the myrk to slow down the phage's attack.
The issue with it being Maeve is that we don't have any proof that Maeve was there, other than the lil' vamp. The issue with the fetch doing it is that none of the other fetches did it. The issue with Mab doing it is that she was busy in AT. And the issue with TTH doing it is... because he wasn't there?
There's a few things I like to point out about that particular attack.
1) The fetch presumably manifested in the room itself, based on Harry's observation at the end that the fetch came through Rosie's compact mirror. So who wrenched open the door with enough strength to rip it off its hinges?
2) The myrk cast by the hobbs in SmF wiped out all light, including Harry's amulet, but did nothing to impede his progress physically. But the myrk in PG allowed both Harry's amulet and staff runes to glow enough around him to see up to 15 feet, yet there was a physical ward included that impeded his ability to navigate toward the theatre.
3) Harry observed (once again) that the magic seemed familiar. But Harry hadn't experienced a myrk yet in the books, and hadn't felt any magic of Maeve's, other than her come-hither trick.
4) Someone was observed leaving the theatre, and then the myrk and pressure left. If Mab did it remotely, or the fetch did it itself, that observation wouldn't have been necessary.
I would add Sandra to the list. And we have no proof that the myrk in SmF was cast by the Hobbs.
1) That's a really good point. It really strengthen the TTH theory. But as I'm stubborn, I'm still going to counter : Maeve didn't want to kill a lot of people (Mab says somewhere she never kill without purpose). She cast the ward to make Harry think there's a sorcerer calling the fetch, but she didn't want to let the whole theatre die:
2) That's really problematic. Two possibilities: Mab was the one doing the job in SmF, hence the superior power. Or maybe the hobbs create their own myrk. There were hundreds of them, so their combined power would be significant.
3)Harry saw Maeve using her power in SK. And it leaked too.
I propose an option #5. Molly did it.
The reason why it's familiar to Dresden is because it is a mental compulsion similar to the mind fog used by Elaine in Summer Knight that's urging him to stop moving forward (and he breaks it the same way, using his amulet). Really, when you look at this murk ward, it is precisely the kind of spell that a pre-trial Molly would use: a mental compulsion backed by an illusion of darkness (she keeps the illusion of darkness in her post-trial days, too, btw; it's the same spell she used against Luccio during Turn Coat).
We also know from the end of the book, when Harry confronts her at the church, that Molly can summon a not inconsiderate amount of power subconsciously, so she has the oomph for it. And it makes perfect sense for Molly to be near Rosie, since she told Sandra about how worried she was about Rosie in the prior scene, and it makes sense for Molly to hide from Harry rather than reveal her magic, since she's been doing it for years now.
Question is, what about the cold? Here's the thing, though: if you look at the last attack, we have the same coldness happen (it causes a fog to pop up), even though there is no murk that time. So the coldness and the murk are not actually related! The coldness is due to the fetch's presence, while the murk ward is due to another presence, specifically (in my opinion) Molly. Or Maeve, or TTH, or insert your alternative here. But really, I still say a mental compulsion / illusion spell yells "Molly did it!" to me.
So your theory is that a barely trained Molly cast a myrk over a large part of the convention center and a ward that held Harry back together, on her own, for the first time, while watching her friend get attacked by a monster and her other friend died?
Sorry, I don't buy that it was Molly. It's completely against her character to allow people to be killed in front of her, especially since we know she's empathic and tends to feel emotions so deeply. All that terror and death would have torn her up.
...Actually, no. I'm saying Molly made the myrk specifically to try to protect her friends from the monster and keep it back (it worked, too; Rosie lived). After all, it's the only magic she knows at the time (heck, if you look at it, what she did then and what she did in Cold Days and Changes is pretty much the same). That it also stopped Harry was incidental. Keep in mind, emotions fuel magic; the terror she was feeling is likely the perfect type of emotion to fuel a "keep away from me and my friends!" ward.
And I still don't know why she had to be pretending there was a summoner bringing the fetches.
That was in Mab's plan. She had to convince Harry to use a redirection spell to bring Molly. And at that point Mab didn't know that Maeve was infected.
See here (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,35451.30.html) my thoughts on PG.
I don't see where casting a myrk, which is a physical manifestation, and casting an illusion, which is a mental or light manipulation, are teh same thing.
I don't see where an amateur spellcaster with no experience or training can cast a physical myrk and a physical ward, especially when their natural talent lies in non-physical magic.
In addition, I've always thought that Molly was busy casting at the time of the attacks. Molly was trying to scare Nelson and Rosie. At the first attack, in the bathroom, we don't know where Molly was. But the second attack, which was the Rosie attack, Molly took off, saying there were things she needed to do. For the third spell, when Harry reversed it back on the caster, there was a delay. He thought it would be sooner, but it took a while. That was because Molly was in the car with Charity and Forthill, driving home. As soon as he got home, the third attack commenced.
I think Molly was casting a spell that focused on her friends, trying to keep up the induced fear in them, so that they wouldn't abuse. The fetches came across from the NN in those places (Nelson in the bathroom; Rosie in the theatre) because they were drawn to the fear spell. For the third attack, they remained at the convention because of the build-up of fear there due to the other attacks and the movies being shown.
If someone else had been casting to bring the fetches across, or even send them, then Harry's spell would have sent the fetches at them, not at Molly.
Harry's spell made sure that the fetches went back at the person that summoned them, and not anyone else. What you're saying is that Molly summoned the fetches, and Mab made sure Harry realized someone was summoning the fetches by having Maeve pretend to be a summoner in the room with one fetch, casting a myrk and ward combo? Because if Mab or Maeve sent the fetches, rather than Molly summoning them (unknowningly), then Harry's spell wouldn't have worked.
“Their summoner is going to draw them in,” I finished, following the line of reasoning. “It’s like… I could blanket the surrounding area in fog, but if they have someone on this end, the phages will have a beacon they can use to home in on the hotel.”
“Sure,” Bob said. “I mean, you have everything you need for that. You know the phages are after fear, and that they’re probably using his power as a beacon. Your web tells you something is stirring. You conjure up a big ball of fear, target the same beacon the phages are using, and let it fly.”
myrk is an aspect of hobs. if it didn't show up directly as a result of their presence then someone with similar aspects of magic summoned it for them. molly didn't create it. how would helping the hobs save anybody? myrk is something to do with hobs in myths too, its associated with them from before the dresden files were a twinkle in jims eye.
Pretty sure those are the same thing. Besides, like I previously mentioned, Molly's done the murk (not myrk) again after this book. Namely, she did it on Luccio in Turn Coat.
The ward wasn't physical. It was mental (like the mind fog), urging people to not get any closer. Somewhat like the compulsion / binding Maeve laid on Slate back in Summer Knight, actually (which is why she's usually proposed as the person behind it, though like I said, it certainly fits Molly the mind-magic warlock's MO just as well, if not better).
So your theory is that the fetches have terrible aim (always attacking people other than the one who attracted them first) and then stop acting in the pattern they were following for no discernible reason? That just... sounds a bit too far-fetched to me?
No.
The mechanism of the spell is explained:
Harry thought the summoner and the beacon were the same person. So he sent the fetches to the beacon. In fact, Mab was sending the fetches from the NN using Molly as a beacon.
Harry's spell made sure that the fetches went back at the person that summoned them, and not anyone else. What you're saying is that Molly summoned the fetches, and Mab made sure Harry realized someone was summoning the fetches by having Maeve pretend to be a summoner in the room with one fetch, casting a myrk and ward combo? Because if Mab or Maeve sent the fetches, rather than Molly summoning them (unknowningly), then Harry's spell wouldn't have worked.
No.
The mechanism of the spell is explained:
Harry thought the summoner and the beacon were the same person. So he sent the fetches to the beacon. In fact, Mab was sending the fetches from the NN using Molly as a beacon.
I think you got jumbled. In SmF, the hobbs bring myrk with them to the train station so that the light is blotted out, because they're allergic to light. In PG, someone casts myrk to cause confusion and fear, increasing the emotions that the fetch feeds on. The question is who cast the myrk at the convention, and why.ahhh yea i saw myrk and hobs in the same post and assumed it was SmF they were talking about. myrk IS associated with hobs in myths. alternative idea. harry mentions its a familiar working but he can't recall were from yes? this wording is associated with elaine alot iirc. elaine has already shown an aptitude for this kinda working with the mind mist in SK. i'd just as easily attribute it to her.
ahhh yea i saw myrk and hobs in the same post and assumed it was SmF they were talking about. myrk IS associated with hobs in myths. alternative idea. harry mentions its a familiar working but he can't recall were from yes? this wording is associated with elaine alot iirc. elaine has already shown an aptitude for this kinda working with the mind mist in SK. i'd just as easily attribute it to her.
WE know magics create attraction or repelent ness to it. WHat if black magic draws ousiderness to a person, which warps them due to it other worldlyness? This magic makes wounds in the world, and outsiders are the infections that grow in themi had a similar idea. don't think nemesis is directly related to black magic but taking outside into yourself would certainly twist your nature. magic, the force created by humans seems to be what the weave of reality and NN is made of. the NN is the accumulation of human believe from the beginning of time. i was waiting til i could explain it best after some research and brainstorming but *shrug* other people keep bringing it up.
Nemesis is described in a similar manner to black magic corruption.
Nobody summoned the fetches, as I understand it; when Harry realises the phages are fetches, he realises they have to have been sent rather than summoned.
His spell appears to find Molly because she's the closest fit to being a mortal cause of them being there, because they originally targeted her black magic, rather than because of her summoning them in any way; his spell is looking for a summoner rather than a sender and it finds the somewhat awkward best fit. (Molly did nothing to choose them being there, but they are still focused on her as a result of her actions. This seems to me to follow the same pattern as what happens to Molly at the end of CD, in terms of Faerie power's interaction with choice and consequence.)
Now, if she were an anchor, I could understand it. But there are too many coincidences with her not being there during the attack.so replace beacon as poor choice in words with anchor. viola? simply a misunderstanding from harry trying to explain it.