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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on June 14, 2018, 08:09:55 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLOH6GkVGp4
Don't know if this was posted already or not. Interesting that Jim here says that the "Die alone" death curse didn't count in Changes because he didn't actually die while I thought in the past he said that it did?
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He said he escaped part of the death curse. So some part of the Die Alone death curse completed with ending of Changes. The complete death curse isn't finished.
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If he was only mostly dead, which means he was slightly alive, ergo, the curse "die alone," doesn't mean anything because he didn't die..
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If he was only mostly dead, which means he was slightly alive, ergo, the curse "die alone," doesn't mean anything because he didn't die..
Yeah I know but I'm almost positive Jim in the past said "The curse was to die alone, and Harry died alone so the curse has been fulfilled". I could be remembering it wrong but i think he did say it.
Oh well moot point now lol
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He said something to that effect but held out for a two part to the curse.
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Perhaps we are looking at the words from the wrong angle. What if die alone meant that as long as Harry is alive, he will subconsciously push away everyone. The death curse could have been a psychic assault meant to slightly reprogram Harry into being a loner.
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Perhaps we are looking at the words from the wrong angle. What if die alone meant that as long as Harry is alive, he will subconsciously push away everyone. The death curse could have been a psychic assault meant to slightly reprogram Harry into being a loner.
Which is pretty much what he did for a while. It's not until Skin Game that he starts resenting his solitude (though that's understandable).
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Actually, Vadderung points it out in Cold Days that he spent much of the time regrouping with friend prior to the job. So it would make sense the alone bit likely lost its effectiveness after he 'died' in Changes. Now it might just be die, of which we all do.
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I think the real problem is He didn't really know what he was trying to curse him with... He said it in spite so that he wouldn't die holding a coin, but also on other levels so he would feel the same loneliness he himself felt over the years and the bitter regret he felt at the particular moment. So the curse is less a specific thing and more a nebulas idea charged full of malcontent and negative emotions.
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Yeah I know but I'm almost positive Jim in the past said "The curse was to die alone, and Harry died alone so the curse has been fulfilled". I could be remembering it wrong but i think he did say it.
Oh well moot point now lol
Well, it was kind of a crappie curse to begin with.. As Harry's dad pointed out to him in his dream, paraphrasing, "everyone walks through that door alone," but on the other side he has loved ones waiting for him..
I cannot remember but was Cassius even a wizard? If he isn't then the curse wouldn't have real power behind it except for the psychological effect on a guy like Harry who had felt alone for most of his life. Here is another thought, it may not have been a curse directed at Harry at all but Cassius expressing his own curse.... For Cassius died alone, in the sense that he died unloved and no one would mourn his passing... In contrast for the short period that it was assumed that Harry was dead, he was missed and mourned by many, Thomas and his many friends held his memory in their hearts, he'd never be alone.
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Cassius was a wizard and Harry felt the dead curse clamping on him.the curse was real.
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Cassius was a wizard and Harry felt the dead curse clamping on him.the curse was real.
It was a rather crappy curse though..
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Cassius was a wizard and Harry felt the dead curse clamping on him.the curse was real.
Cassius wasn't a wizard. He was a minor sorcerer who's knowledge and skill were honed over centuries (millenia?) to make him relatively dangerous, and allow him to send a minor death curse. It took though, Harry felt it take.
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It was a rather crappy curse though..
Not the most impressive death curse in the books, that prize goes to Harry’s Mother’s, but still a death curse.
Cassius wasn't a wizard. He was a minor sorcerer who's knowledge and skill were honed over centuries (millenia?) to make him relatively dangerous, and allow him to send a minor death curse. It took though, Harry felt it take.
That is pretty subjective but I think that a death curse like a soul gaze is wizard territory.
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Cassius wasn't a wizard. He was a minor sorcerer who's knowledge and skill were honed over centuries (millenia?) to make him relatively dangerous, and allow him to send a minor death curse. It took though, Harry felt it take.
I didn't think he was, he may have learned some magic but more along the lines that almost everyone can so some magic, i.e. Butters and Thomas, but that doesn't make them wizards, not even close...
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I didn't think he was, he may have learned some magic but more along the lines that almost everyone can so some magic, i.e. Butters and Thomas, but that doesn't make them wizards, not even close...
I was replying to Arjan, actually. Sorry for confusing you.
Maybe not like Butters. Thomas is a better example though, give or take a few centuries to make his talent into something useful.
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I was replying to Arjan, actually. Sorry for confusing you.
Maybe not like Butters. Thomas is a better example though, give or take a few centuries to make his talent into something useful.
I was aware of who you were replying to, I was just presenting evidence to back your post.. I sighted Butters because with a little help from Harry he was able to protect himself with a magic circle... So no, I wasn't confused...
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I was aware of who you were replying to, I was just presenting evidence to back your post.. I sighted Butters because with a little help from Harry he was able to protect himself with a magic circle... So no, I wasn't confused...
Cassius did much more than that, he was not called snake boy for nothing. But wether his training came from the council or from a fallen does not matter that much, he had a lot of training. More important is the versitility of his talent and the strength of it. It is probably debatable and we do not have all the information but I take the death curse as an indication that he was at least close to it.
We have seen a lot of Harry and senior council but a lot of wizards are not as strong as Harry is, there must be weaker wizards running around as well.
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Cassius did much more than that, he was not called snake boy for nothing. But wether his training came from the council or from a fallen does not matter that much, he had a lot of training. More important is the versitility of his talent and the strength of it. It is probably debatable and we do not have all the information but I take the death curse as an indication that he was at least close to it.
We have seen a lot of Harry and senior council but a lot of wizards are not as strong as Harry is, there must be weaker wizards running around as well.
I think sorcerer is more accurate... As we saw in Storm Front, they can pull off a lot of magical stuff, but that doesn't make them wizards...
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I think sorcerer is more accurate... As we saw in Storm Front, they can pull off a lot of magical stuff, but that doesn't make them wizards...
Cassius was probably at the upper ranges of sorceror talent, thanks largely to Saluriel's help and an extended lifetime to practice. But Victor Sells was a marked step up from Cassius, a full Council-level warlock who did spells in at least five different areas (the three-eye drug, calling and commanding the toad guy, the scorpion constructs, remote projection to speak and observe through shadows, and the heart-ripper curse itself). Harry figured at one point in the narration that they were probably pretty closely matched in strength, but his big advantage was that Sells' tutor hadn't trained him as thoroughly as Justin and Ebenezar taught Harry.
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I didn't think he was, he may have learned some magic but more along the lines that almost everyone can so some magic, i.e. Butters and Thomas, but that doesn't make them wizards, not even close...
Wasn't he supposed to have lived a long time? pretty sure only wizards get extended life, not people who have a little talent.
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Wasn't he supposed to have lived a long time? pretty sure only wizards get extended life, not people who have a little talent.
He was a Denarian.
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He was a Denarian.
Oh whoops, I forgot :-X
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Cassius falls under the category of weakly powered caster whose long life span gave him enough time to develop a talent with some teeth. Other than the death curse the only spell I remember him casting without the coin was creating the snake construct that Mouse fought. He was able to do that with no focus items or preparation very quickly, which speaks to at least a moderate talent.
With Salurial, he did plenty. In fact, didnt Harry suspect that he was largely to blame for actually casting the entropy/Barrabus curse that forces him in doors with Susan?
Point being, he had plenty of knowledge on how magic worked (from a very ancient teacher) but very little power to actually get things done. I think we are all more concerned with his death curse than Jim cares about writing it in.
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I wonder if -Harry has to deal with Cassius death curse. Maybe bringing Harry to Mirror Mirror will in some way bring the death curse to that reality if it -Harry wasn't already exposed to it.
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I wonder if -Harry has to deal with Cassius death curse. Maybe bringing Harry to Mirror Mirror will in some way bring the death curse to that reality if it -Harry wasn't already exposed to it.
Don't see why. There is supposedly a vast multiverse. If -Harry was affected then it means it would have been infinitely diluted among the other Harry's making it meaningless.
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Wasn't he supposed to have lived a long time? pretty sure only wizards get extended life, not people who have a little talent.
He lived a long time because of the coin, once he gave up his coin to Michael he reverted to his real age.
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Perhaps we are looking at the words from the wrong angle. What if die alone meant that as long as Harry is alive, he will subconsciously push away everyone. The death curse could have been a psychic assault meant to slightly reprogram Harry into being a loner.
I know this isn't how the curse was meant, but what if it could work as something of a blessing as well? After all, if Harry has to "die alone" then the curse may actually work to protect him when he is surrounded by friends in a deadly situation right? Because if he died there he wouldn't "die alone." I wonder if that could be the "other half."
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It is a good point. I like it. I like it lots. Using a death curse in your favor. Maybe that is what Cowl tries to do in dealing with the death curses used against him.
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I know this isn't how the curse was meant, but what if it could work as something of a blessing as well? After all, if Harry has to "die alone" then the curse may actually work to protect him when he is surrounded by friends in a deadly situation right? Because if he died there he wouldn't "die alone." I wonder if that could be the "other half."
Interesting. I like fun prophecy interpretations, and death curses might be considered self-propelled-and-fulfilling prophecies, after a fashion.