Wow, so Battle Ground was the quite the ride. In my opinion well worth waiting for and been split from Peace Talks because a *lot* happened there.
So Battle Ground provided quite a bit of exposition and answered some questions that have been discussed a lot on here before, as well as some events that people had predicted:
- Murphy's death and ascending to Einherjar...dom
- Marcone did take up Thorned Namshiel's coin (interesting to look back at Skin Game with the Denarian involvement with this in mind?)
- We finally got to see Drakul! It's interesting because I had always interpreted WoJ re the Black Court to suggest Drakul didn't have much to do with it and Dracula had run away from him to form it. This suggests Dracula isn't really involved (or even un-alive) as Drakul seems to be very past-tensey about him.
- Pretty much word for word confirmation Mac is an (ex)Angel.
- Confirmation Justine is Nemfected
The reveals just kept coming, I couldn't put it down (happily took the day off work).
Anything other readers have been waiting to see or questions that were answered? And what questions do people want answered subsequently?!
Good Grief! Some of it sounds like crap! As in throw in everything but the kitchen sink crap. I hope it doesn't read that way. Will try and reserve judgement, but still... :o ???
It didn't read that way at all, to me. I really would wait until you've had a chance to read it. As a fan it was just a lot of very exciting moments of getting what a lot of us have been asking for, and making up for the somewhat slower Peace Talks.
First Battle Ground is good. But a good editor could have put this in one slightly longer book and called it Peace Talks. The story would have been better served. Small Spoiler.(click to show/hide)
This suggests Dracula isn't really involved (or even un-alive) as Drakul seems to be very past-tensey about him.
Anything other readers have been waiting to see or questions that were answered?
And what questions do people want answered subsequently?!
Good Grief! Some of it sounds like crap! As in throw in everything but the kitchen sink crap. I hope it doesn't read that way. Will try and reserve judgement, but still... :o ???
Vadderung and Uriel have lunch together every year.
Hmm. Does Mab know the Marcone secret? It almost seems as though Harry didn't actually reveal that ... or at least, I don't think it was remotely addressed after the fact...Oh yeah, she got it. And I daresay Vadderung already knew. He didn't seem too fussed though, so make of that what you will.
Vadderung and Uriel have lunch together every year.And which day? That seems important.
Wow, so Battle Ground was the quite the ride. In my opinion well worth waiting for and been split from Peace Talks because a *lot* happened there.
So Battle Ground provided quite a bit of exposition and answered some questions that have been discussed a lot on here before, as well as some events that people had predicted:
- Murphy's death and ascending to Einherjar...dom
- Marcone did take up Thorned Namshiel's coin (interesting to look back at Skin Game with the Denarian involvement with this in mind?)
- We finally got to see Drakul! It's interesting because I had always interpreted WoJ re the Black Court to suggest Drakul didn't have much to do with it and Dracula had run away from him to form it. This suggests Dracula isn't really involved (or even un-alive) as Drakul seems to be very past-tensey about him.
- Pretty much word for word confirmation Mac is an (ex)Angel.
- Confirmation Justine is Nemfected
The reveals just kept coming, I couldn't put it down (happily took the day off work).
Anything other readers have been waiting to see or questions that were answered? And what questions do people want answered subsequently?!
My guess would be day after X-Mas to compare notes.New Years Day? Start of a new year? Perhaps the lunch bit is significant.
BG answers the question about power levels. This book show us that even the likes of Mab is not at the level of *Divine* yet, while angels, even those fallen ones who are bound in the coins are at *divine* status. In other words, being *immortal* is not = being *divine*Indeed, finally some clarification. However, Immortal is still Immortal. Mab couldn't be killed with explosions. She would just come back. Even cold iron. Apart from Conjunctions, intense magical power can do it. Ethniu and perhaps her Eye. Mab resisted one strike but I doubt she would have resisted two.
The assertion that the Queen of faeries aka Mab and Titania is equal in power to angels, as stated in book 4, is now proven false. Book 4 Harry is wrong about this matter.
Unanswered question: was there an offscreen reason why Molly and Lara are so mad at each other that I missed? Is it just that Molly is jealous of Harry and Lara’s relationship, like heard the rumours from the Peace Talks or something? Or are we meant not to know?
Michael and Charity already knew. Just like with Harry and Lasciel's coin.Probably when she had to rush them out to the other side of the street to dodge Listen's goon squad.
So when did they see it?
Probably when she had to rush them out to the other side of the street to dodge Listen's goon squad.Did she do that herself?
Did she do that herself?Harry seems to think so.
I looked up at her, coughed out some smoke, and then croaked, “Where’d you hide them? Our family?”
She glanced at me and then smiled faintly. “Right across the street. Where they could watch the whole thing. Like in Fellowship.”
“Clever girl,” I said.
She showed me a vulpine smile.
Technically, he's just Namshiel. But maybe that's just how everyone sees him. And of course, because that's how Jim names him. It is odd, I admit. Although technically, Nicodemus and Tess both have two names.What is odd is that Namshiel and thus Marcone can use magic. Especially since no other Fallen uses magic unless their host is a wizard.
What is odd is that Namshiel and thus Marcone can use magic. Especially since no other Fallen uses magic unless their host is a wizard.
I want to know what was behind Marcone giving Harry the Eye? Was it an attempt to get Harry on the side of the Denarians? Did he will want to appear to be a reasonable member of the Accords? What kind of arrangement does Marcone have with Namshiel? Is it the kind of partnership that Lasciel offered Harry or that Andruiel has with Nic? Has Marcone had the coin since Small Favor and only now getting around to taking it up? What will he do when Namshiel starts to call the shots? Will he ultimately reject the coin then and become a Knight?Thorned Namshiel does not want Marcone to have the eye because he does not want to play second fiddle to something that powerful.
Thorned Namshiel does not want Marcone to have the eye because he does not want to play second fiddle to something that powerful.
But he wouldn't would he? I mean the Eye is merely a tool, a weapon of pure hate. I doubt that Namshiel would play second fiddle to the eye, but Marcone might, which would make him less useful perhaps?The fallen want to tempt their host with power. The eye might be an alternative source of power.
I want to know what was behind Marcone giving Harry the Eye? Was it an attempt to get Harry on the side of the Denarians? Did he will want to appear to be a reasonable member of the Accords? What kind of arrangement does Marcone have with Namshiel? Is it the kind of partnership that Lasciel offered Harry or that Andruiel has with Nic? Has Marcone had the coin since Small Favor and only now getting around to taking it up? What will he do when Namshiel starts to call the shots? Will he ultimately reject the coin then and become a Knight?Marcone never plays unless he can win.
Marcone never plays unless he can win.
Or thinks he can, does Marcone believe he can have the same amicable partnership like Nic has with Andruiel? Remember Lasciel offered that to Harry, but he refused, because he had the benefit of that soul gaze of another host and didn't believe her. Marcone is a different man, not a good man, so he might go along with it.. However I cannot see him playing second fiddle to a coin.He will. If he keeps the coin long enough. Remember Hannah? When you have that coin you can not even trust what you see and hear.
Strong implication is that Molly knew that Lara's first "favor" request to Mab had been Harry's hand in marriage.That's how I read it as it well. Molly still has a thing for Harry and knowing that the impossibly sexy Lara asked for that Favor honked her off.
That's how I read it as it well. Molly still has a thing for Harry and knowing that the impossibly sexy Lara asked for that Favor honked her off.It won’t count as true love in the burn vampires kind because it is not properly bidirectional.
Interesting not quite-related question: what if a female White Court vampire of House Raith becomes pregnant and legitimately loves their child? I'm guessing that'd kill them, but is there a way to work through it? (Because yeah, I kind of want Thomas to come out of the box to discover that Harry is married to Lara and they have a kid, just for the LOLs and WTFs that would ensue.)
He will. If he keeps the coin long enough. Remember Hannah? When you have that coin you can not even trust what you see and hear.
Depends on the Fallen. Anduriel has generally been content to work with Nicodemus. We have no idea on the preferences of Thorned Namshiel. It might also depend on the "quality" of the host.
My personal take on Marcone/Namshiel:
Marcone is not a simple host to be "overpowered" and ridden like a car. He is a stronger host more like a horse, he could be "broken" or worked alongside as long as the destination is generally the same. Personally, I think that this will kinda slow burn in the background as Harry and Marcone have to interact and get a bit of a "bro-mance" almost friendly relationship. Then redemption equals death; Marcone will lay down the Coin over loosing control... only to die for the lack of power. I don't know... All I can say for sure is that Harry and Marcone will have to work together more, and somehow we will feel loss over Marcone.
Yeah, but Hannah was never Marcone. He is a wheeler dealer, he likes to be in control, he likes power. Short term and and Namshiel will get along just fine, but how long will he like not calling the shots?That doesn’t matter because he will always think he is calling the shots. Just like Nicodemus does and he was manipulated into killing his own daughter. There is always room to fall even more.
My personal take on Marcone/Namshiel:
Marcone is not a simple host to be "overpowered" and ridden like a car. He is a stronger host more like a horse, he could be "broken" or worked alongside as long as the destination is generally the same. Personally, I think that this will kinda slow burn in the background as Harry and Marcone have to interact and get a bit of a "bro-mance" almost friendly relationship. Then redemption equals death; Marcone will lay down the Coin over loosing control... only to die for the lack of power. I don't know... All I can say for sure is that Harry and Marcone will have to work together more, and somehow we will feel loss over Marcone.
What is odd is that Namshiel and thus Marcone can use magic. Especially since no other Fallen uses magic unless their host is a wizard.
I think it's a matter of preferences/approach, not limited ability.
We know that it's technically possible for "regular people" to learn magic, but without the Sight it's compared to a blind person learning to paint. With a Fallen's knowledge, that can probably be overcome.
But it's probably a lot quicker/easier to turn into a giant monster Ursiel/Magog style, especially for someone who already knows how to fight.
And Harry calls Namshiel "Master of Sorcery". His preferences likely make that something he would offer early on (bring it up even if the host doesn't know it's possible) - not so for Ursiel or Magog.
Namshiel can probably provide the Sight
I think people are wrong to assume Harry won't use the Eye. He will, but the point of Mab's love/hate vs. reason wasn't the reason it part - it was to provide a hint that while the Eye has traditionally been powered by intense hate, Harry will find some way to do something with it fueled by "The Power of Love(tm)."
Depends on the Fallen. Anduriel has generally been content to work with Nicodemus. We have no idea on the preferences of Thorned Namshiel. It might also depend on the "quality" of the host.
Murphy's scene was rough but gave a good glimpse at what a villain-Harry could be.
I will also be interested to see what happens with the Grey Council now...especially since Harry is even more isolated than before.I had a thought that Harry just goes about calling himself "Harry Dresden, Wizard of the Grey Council," etc.
Let's play a new game. Who got Bob?I think Harry gets to take him on day trips, but Butters has full custody. Unless Butters and the Alphas move in with Harry. He's got the room.
Murphy's scene was rough.For me it was more the scenes after when Harry is dealing with it. Probably the one after he doesn't off Rudolph.
Since Harry's new title is Wizard of Chicago, can he become a member of the accords?With the signature of two representatives on the Accords. His bride, an ally on the White Council, and River Shoulders. Substitute any of them for some other ally.
Also, Ethniu seemed to know the Angel she was talking to. Personally. Called him traitor and coward. Seems like they both were once on the same team, and his siding with TWG and humanity seems an act of treachery.Was she speaking to the angel or TWG?
What is odd is that Namshiel and thus Marcone can use magic. Especially since no other Fallen uses magic unless their host is a wizard.We've seen most of the Denarians who get a good deal of screen time use magic at least a little. They only one who didn't was Nico.
I want to know what was behind Marcone giving Harry the Eye? ... What will he do when Namshiel starts to call the shots? Will he ultimately reject the coin then and become a Knight?Harry hints that part of that was to get him thrown out of the Council. I also think that Marcone is trying to hide the fact of Namshiel. A lot of his reputation is as a mortal who pulls off all these amazing feats. That's an arc a lot of people want. I'd prefer Harry going toe to toe with him in an all out fight.
I'd assume that Marcone's ability to use magic is something he negotiated for specifically, before he fully took up Namshiel's coin.It's been said everyone has magical talent and what really separates practitioners from everyone else is the ability to sense it. Namshiel should have the ability to allow Marcone to sense it and be able to supply plenty of fuel. Harry mentions that Marcone's spells weren't powerful, just advanced.
However I cannot see him playing second fiddle to a coin.That's what surprised me about him taking the coin up.
Depends on the Fallen. Anduriel has generally been content to work with Nicodemus. We have no idea on the preferences of Thorned Namshiel. It might also depend on the "quality" of the host.I think Jim said something about how he's basically just a magic nerd. But he's obviously pretty evil and hates mortals based on 1) he's fallen and 2) what he said to Harry in Small Favor.
I'm curious about the smell of sulphur and brimstone when Butters passed the sword thru Harry. Winter Knight mantle wouldn't smell like that. Residual Lash?What Arjan said, but with a question mark.
Maybe Marcone changed his mind, he is residing in Marcone’s grey matter after all. Namshiel has had hosts he can dominate, Marcone must have been a revelation.
Maybe Marcone changed his mind, he is residing in Marcone’s grey matter after all. Namshiel has had hosts he can dominate, Marcone must have been a revelation.
What is the goal?The fallen's ultimate goal is to corrupt his host and everyone else. Marcone will be corrupted too.
Every Fallen must have one.
Is Thorned Namshiel's goal to simply amass more and more knowledge and power? Then he doesn't need to dominate Marcone; leaving Marcone as he is allows a steady supply of Namshiel's preferred drug.
The fallen's ultimate goal is to corrupt his host and everyone else. Marcone will be corrupted too.
And how with Thomas react when he's inevitably pulled out of the box?
I think Harry gets to take him on day trips, but Butters has full custody. Unless Butters and the Alphas move in with Harry. He's got the room.
Or he is a perfect skunk like Nic and they will live a wonderful life together..Killing his daughter. It shows how corrupted he got. The fallen always want to corrupt you even more
That might be prudent. Will & Georgia have had a couple of attacks against their home, and Butters is potentially quite vulnerable to mortal goons and hired guns. Plus if they're going to continue the BFS' use of the castle as a safe house for paranet members as guests, it's probably wise to have more than one combat-capable full time resident.
Killing his daughter. It shows how corrupted he got. The fallen always want to corrupt you even more
Yet he seemed to think it was worth it, he got what he had asked for though he didn't get what he wanted thanks to Harry.Of course he did. Anduriel has him exactly where he wants him.
But he wouldn't would he? I mean the Eye is merely a tool, a weapon of pure hate. I doubt that Namshiel would play second fiddle to the eye, but Marcone might, which would make him less useful perhaps?
Of course he did. Anduriel has him exactly where he wants him.
I also consider it unclear whether Namshiel got Nemesis'ed, which would make matters even more complicated later.
Harry or Nic?Nicodemus. Anduriel had corrupted Nicodemus even further.
Harry or Nic?
Hadn't thought of that, it would be nasty. It also answers the question of who got the Crown Royal sack of Coins back in Small Favor. I can see Marcone, desperate to save the city and always looking for a new angle to gain power taking up the Coin. The question then becomes, if he does have the sack of Coins, who else is he going to tempt to take one up and become a real pain in the ass.
Here is another thought, the Denarians are all ready split into two camps, Nic's little group and Tessa's little group, I cannot see Marcone being subservient to either group, so does he create a third little group? Now does this make it harder for Sanya and Butters? Or easier? I still think at some point Bradley is going to take up the third Sword.
Three figures faced one another. One was a large man dressed in a long overcoat and wielding a slightly curved sword in one hand, an old cavalry saber. He carried what might have been a sawed-off shotgun in the other. His skin was dark, and though his head hadn’t been shaved like that the last time I’d seen him, it could really have been only one person.Shaggy Feathers was in the sack that got taken in Small Favour, Tessa got the bag, not Marcone.
“Sanya,” I said.
The world’s only Knight of the Cross was standing across from two blurry figures. Both were in motion, as if charging toward him. One was approximately the same size and shape as a large gorilla. The other was covered in a thick layer of feathers that gave an otherwise humanoid shape an odd, shaggy appearance.
“Magog and Shaggy Feathers,” I muttered. “Hell’s bells, those Coins are slippery. When were these taken?”
Is Thorned Namshiel's goal to simply amass more and more knowledge and power? Then he doesn't need to dominate Marcone; leaving Marcone as he is allows a steady supply of Namshiel's preferred drug.That's basically what Jim said years ago about Namshiel. That he was just a magic nerd who wanted to play with magic.
I also consider it unclear whether Namshiel got Nemesis'ed, which would make matters even more complicated later.I read that Jim said, in the B&N interview, the Fallen can be infected, but there isn't much of a point because they don't have any free will.
2. Hendricks either didn't know Marcone had taken up the coin or died to keep the fact that Marcone had taken up the coin secret. Either way, I think this shows that Marcone very much wants to keep the fact that he's a Nicklehead a secret.Of course. He does not want all the enemies Namshiel and the fallen collected to be his enemies too.
Bradley is the new Murphy, he is I think going to SI and will act as Harry’s liaison.
The reason I think this is that the character has been set up for a running joke, like Murphy with her being exactly five feet tall “Five O”.
In BG where Bradley meets Harry for the second time he is described like an armoured personnel carrier. The main US armoured personnel carrier is....the Bradley. Going back to PT on their first meeting his suit is described as neutral ,designed to blend into the business world, I would think almost like camouflage?
On his third meeting he is literally carrying personnel, his daughter and Rudy.
Bradley is the new Murphy.I didn't notice the sexual tension. ;)
I didn't notice the sexual tension. ;)??? :o
So does this mean thorned Namshiel is off the list of who attacked Arctis Tor?
It’s been awhile since I’ve logged in so I almost certainly have missed some things. Hopefully filling in those gaps won’t be so painful. So here’s my thoughts...
1) Did I miss something? Why is everyone so certain Mac is related to angels? He seemed more keyed into (Norse?) mythology in the short story with the Grendel...
When Namshiel gets control of Marcone it will be by using Marcone's little secret shame in a coma.I thought the same. I don't know exactly how, but that girl is involved. Also, Marcone won't be subjugated by the Fallen. They will work as equal partners or Marcone will dominate him. But I think sometime in the future, Marcone will ask Harry and the KotC for help to get rid of it. I don't know. I just want to see Marcone asking Harry for help :)
Another question I have is: what's up with the conjuritis? It is over by the end of the book? Does it has a meaning before just a random sickness with side effects? I thought it meant that Harry had got it from Maggie, who would be revealed as a witch. But as nothing is mentioned in the book or, six months later, in CS, I am not sure now.Maybe Harry having a magical childhood malady let's him learn something about conjuring other wizards don't know because they were too young when they had it. Maybe the Maggie reveal comes later. Also, it's Christmas Eve, not Christmas Story.
Think Harry's finally going to have to pick up his own sword to balance out Marcones power.. hopefully, literally Hope.Thanks for killing Sanya! ;)
Thanks for killing Sanya! ;)mwahahaha 😈
Maybe Harry having a magical childhood malady let's him learn something about conjuring other wizards don't know because they were too young when they had it. Maybe the Maggie reveal comes later. Also, it's Christmas Eve, not Christmas Story.*facepalms* Yes, thank you.
Hehe, I see it differently. Harry and Marcone are almost fated to throw down, they allude to it all the time almost every interaction anymore... Think Harry's finally going to have to pick up his own sword to balance out Marcones power.. hopefully, literally Hope. It would mesh with his charlie brown ideals. Never stop trying.
Marcone and Harry's mutual expectation to eventually throw down is the best reason to think something else is going to end up happening.ooh, I'd argue most of those were simply fan expectations not forshadowing (especially Eb dying) but that does ring somewhat true there. There's another candidate for taking on what I perceive to be the fallen version of king Arthur... The risen version of Mordred lol.
Bradley is the new Murphy, he is I think going to SI and will act as Harry’s liaison.
The reason I think this is that the character has been set up for a running joke, like Murphy with her being exactly five feet tall “Five O”.
In BG where Bradley meets Harry for the second time he is described like an armoured personnel carrier. The main US armoured personnel carrier is....the Bradley. Going back to PT on their first meeting his suit is described as neutral ,designed to blend into the business world, I would think almost like camouflage?
On his third meeting he is literally carrying personnel, his daughter and Rudy.
Bradley is the new MurphyI didn't notice the sexual tension. ;)
I eyed the other guy. He was about five feet, six inches -- in all three dimensions. I seriously couldn't remember the time I'd seen a guy built so solidly. He wore a tailored suit, because I doubted anything fit him off the rack, but it was made of neutral, plain materials, meant to blend into the background of the business world. His salt-and-pepper hair was buzzed short, and his face was rough with beard shadow that I suspected appeared about ten seconds after he was done shaving. Something about the way he held himself, the way his eyes were focused on nothing in particular, put me on notice that he knew what he was doing better than most.
Wow. Really well-spotted. These are the little tidbits I love about the Dresdenfiles, but I almost never pick them up on my first reading.Me neither, that is why I need to reread both books soon
Hehe, I see it differently. Harry and Marcone are almost fated to throw down, they allude to it all the time almost every interaction anymore... Think Harry's finally going to have to pick up his own sword to balance out Marcones power.. hopefully, literally Hope. It would mesh with his charlie brown ideals. Never stop trying.Nonsense.
Nonsense.excuse me?
In this book Faith, Hope, and Love faced off with Ethniu. And the greatest of them was Love (personified by Harry). Faith and Hope got him there, but Love won in the end., harry didn't use love and Harry didn't personify love in this book. Harry is not yet in touch with what makes him tick, and by and large love has been absent from his life. Hope and duty have been omniscient in it.
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
Counterpoint: Besides his love for his family and friends, he was protected by True Love twice. Jim has said that True Love is extremely rare, but Harry got it twice. I am sure that is extraordinary (sensu stricto, it is out of ordinary, by far).
Well, you know that I've been posting for years that I did not think Harry really loved Murphy. I mean, he cares a lot for her, and definitely loves her, but not LOVE her. Then PT happened, with a True Love that surprised me. And then, she died. So my idea is that, from a literary point of view, the only reason why JB included True Love is for giving Harry a protection from whampires. That way he can even be married with Lara and still not have sex with her. (Of course, something can happen that prevents the wedding for happening at all but anyway). It will also explain that Lara does not have sex with him during courtship.
Well, you know that I've been posting for years that I did not think Harry really loved Murphy. I mean, he cares a lot for her, and definitely loves her, but not LOVE her. Then PT happened, with a True Love that surprised me. And then, she died. So my idea is that, from a literary point of view, the only reason why JB included True Love is for giving Harry a protection from whampires. That way he can even be married with Lara and still not have sex with her. (Of course, something can happen that prevents the wedding for happening at all but anyway). It will also explain that Lara does not have sex with him during courtship.
Yeah, I imagine that Lara will insist that Harry take at least one lover in the coming year to neutralize his protection from Murphy. Or it will be a marriage in name only and never consummated.
“Uh,” he said, somehow giving the impression that he’d shrugged. “A kiss ought to do it. You know. True love, Prince Charming, that kind of thing.”
“That won’t be hard,” I said, relaxing a little. “We’ll definitely get to the wedding before he goes off alone with Jenny and gets drowned.”
“Oh, good,” Bob said. “Of course, the girl still kicks off, but you can’t save all the people, all the time.”
“What?” I demanded. “Why does Georgia die?”
“Oh, if the Werewolf kid goes through the ceremony with Jenny and plights his troth and so on, it’s going to contaminate him. I mean, if he’s married to another, it can’t really be pure love. Jenny’s claim on him would prevent the kiss from lifting the spell.”
“Which means Georgia won’t wake up,” I said, chewing on my lip.
Maybe one can feel true love without knowing it? Or does the true love have to be mutual for it to protect against the Hunger? It could be what Murphy felt for Harry was true love, that is what Nic was taunting her about in Skin Game as he beat the snot out of her. Harry did love her, but like he loved Susan? This time around he isn't allowing himself to go into a deep depression, he has a little girl to look after like he did when Susan left.I've been wondering about that (because of the Justine-Thomas thing) but so far I had understood that protection only occurred with mutual True Love (that is why Harry was not protected with Luccio, who was mind-controlled). Still, I may be wrong.
Of course that was for Faerie magic, not Whampire shenanigans, but I wouldn't be surprised if that'd break it. (though tbh the most likely scenario is Harry finding a way out of it somehow. Normally it takes at least one book for him to destroy a romantic relationship, but this time he's got a year to plan ahead)
Ya think Molly might break it up? I think she would if she could get away from it. Somehow I don't see the wedding happening, at this point I don't see it enhancing the over all story, but that's just my opinion.
You didn't?Well yeah, but Bradley never reciprocated.
I mean, I think the paragraph ended just because Harry couldn't think of any more ways to say that Detective Bradley was very, very manly.
That way he can even be married with Lara and still not have sex with her.Strictly speaking, Lara can't feed on Harry. It might be possible for her to have sex with Harry and not feed.
Normally it takes at least one book for him to destroy a romantic relationship, but this time he's got a year to plan ahead):D
I had understood that protection only occurred with mutual True Love.I'm pretty sure that's the case. It's why Jim said a parent's love for children does nothing. It's not mutual.
Either way probably works for her, so long as she both gets her alliance, and teaches Harry to stop being such a blunt instrument.Yeah. If Harry finds a way out, it's probably by offering everyone a better deal.
excuse me? , harry didn't use love and Harry didn't personify love in this book. Harry is not yet in touch with what makes him tick, and by and large love has been absent from his life. Hope and duty have been omniscient in it.Sorry, guess the nonsense came across harshly.
Sorry, guess the nonsense came across harshly.
But when Ethniu has him dead to rights, what pulls him through? Love of Family. Not hope or duty.
Strictly speaking, Lara can't feed on Harry. It might be possible for her to have sex with Harry and not feed.
:D
Mouse saved the day!! ;D Yup, you are right, it was the iron grip hug from little Maggie and Mouse leaning in on his legs that helped him to focus his will with such strength that Ethniu was powerless against it.
Strictly speaking, Lara can't feed on Harry. It might be possible for her to have sex with Harry and not feed.