“Lot of the wizards who matter are near the end. Hanging on hard.”I would interpret this as, "Our current Starborn is about to die of old age so it's pretty close to that time when you need to be well trained to pick up the baton."
I tilted my head at him. “Why?”
“Not the right person, time, or place to tell you, starborn.”
I pursed my lips. “Six hundred and sixty-six years,” I said experimentally.
River’s craggy brows rose, itself a feat of superhuman strength. “Huh,” he said. “You learned some things.”
“I learned that,” I said.
“We pretty close to that time,” he said.
I found it interesting that we saw the elder Senior Council members appearing... Elder.(click to show/hide)
My 2 cents, it was Kemmler.The Kemmler Lucio met in the short story was too young I think so the time frame is off. He can not be a star born.
Actually, Kemmler technically could be. Rashid is supposed to be about 1000 years old. In theory, another one would have been born around 1666. So it's possible. Remember Kemmler is also a body switcher so the age of his meat suit doesn't factor in.It is not about his body age. I got the impression that in the short story Kemmler did not have his reputation yet and was still building up.
I also think the Original Merlin Emrys was too. But that's much harder to tell as his birth date is all over the place.
Curiously, some other beings could be. Ancient Mai for one.
And a lot of interesting things happened in 1666. Just to correct you Clintack, mid 1600s. The Plague/The Black Death. The Great Fire of London. Almost certainly planned by Jim to be relevant.
And Clintack you are right about the Crucifixion, I think it's all connected. Outsiders, Hell, Heaven. The whole works. And plagues.
I would think that the wizards would aim for their children to be born as starborn. Fairly safe guess that Harry's mother crunched the numbers, and probably chose precisely the right spot on the globe to give birth to exactly the right sky.Not if it is only a short window once in a 666 year. Nobody waits that long for a child.
I suspect most of the council are starborn.
I found it interesting that we saw the elder Senior Council members appearing... Elder.It'd be interesting to see one of the Senior Council members die of old age in a time of great violence.(click to show/hide)
@Grifter -- Yep. It depends whether you're looking at the year when the Starborns are born, or the years in which they are active adults, or the year of the Big Apocalyptic Thing that we've been ominously told is Coming Soon for Harry and for which the starborns are born.I'd say we should start with the birth year because they weren't active before that.
Another random speculation -- could Nicodemus be starborn, from 23 BC or so?
I think the Timeline hashed out that Storm Front was 2000, and Skin Game (14 years after SF) would be 2014, making PT and BG still 2014.From the semi-official timeline:
Smallpox aside, the timeline editor believes the most compelling data points to Storm Front taking place in 1999,
From the semi-official timeline:I think that was the original guess, but it changed over time with new data points. Later in the second post we have:
https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,1592.msg28576.html#msg28576
(https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,1592.msg28576.html#msg28576)
0 ASF, March: Storm Front. Harry is 25, according to Jim, and he's been wizarding professionally for two years. We can reasonably place the year 0 in the timeline within a year or two of 2000, and there's a fair amount of evidence indicating that it could be 2000.
Either way, it would be 1975-666. So 1309, 643, 23 BC, 689 BC, etc, etcIf Rashid is, possibly, the 643; and Nico is, possibly, the 23 B.C. Who in history, or fictional history, would be the Starborn around 1309?
If Rashid is, possibly, the 643; and Nico is, possibly, the 23 B.C. Who in history, or fictional history, would be the Starborn around 1309?Kemmler seems unlikely to be that old, at least to me, but others like that idea.
If Rashid is, possibly, the 643; and Nico is, possibly, the 23 B.C. Who in history, or fictional history, would be the Starborn around 1309?
I think that was the original guess, but it changed over time with new data points. Later in the second post we have:I just always go with the version of the timeline available here: https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline (https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline). It's got stuff like the below on it, so we know it's being updated.
That's at least supported by the line in SF about it being past the dawn of the new millennium (although not definitive, since it was all written sometime later). I think there were other things mentioned in the thread about years with full moons in certain dates and events corresponding to SF being in 2000, but I don't recall all the specifics.
14 ASF: Job Placement, an Irwin Pounder-POV microfiction.The timeline itself says 1999 is a best guess. My point in sharing was just that SF is 1999ish. Not that 2000 is wrong. More to reinforce that it's 2013-2015ish in PT. Almost certainly not today. There was one thing in PT to suggest it was later than it should be. I'm going to have to read it again to remember.
14 ASF, July: Peace Talks and Battle Ground
14 ASF, December 24th: Christmas Eve, a short story.