Perhaps these are part of the intentional continuity errors that Jim once hinted at. Hopefully so.
As for your theory on Tunguska. Yeah, it's possible. But as above, if it wasn't an accident what is Jim trying to set up?
There have been hints that some continuity errors have been intentional clues of time travel, but as far as I know it's just hints.
The other major explanation is that Harry is an unreliable narrator, it’s Harry’s fault not Jim’s.
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently. Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.Maybe just gave Kincaid a call. Or marcone. Or Lara. She clearly learned to appreciate them and they are not exactly unique items.
The text in Peace Talks reads: "The last time a dragon had been slain out here in the tangible, mortal world, it had been in a region called Tunguska."I'm pretty sure he says "Dragon", not "dragon", and Jim made clear that there is a big difference between the two. The dragon Michael slew was a minor one, and maybe Tunguska was caused by the death of a capital-D-Dragon, being killed by the Blackstaff. It's at least a possibility ;-)
Clintack - Not a bad explanation for the Dragon. If of course Jim just forgot he had already used Tunguska. In saying that, if it wasn't a mistake then I think Jim is making a point. Damned if I know what it is though.
Oh, I fully agree, as far as Thomas is concerned. Considering the terrible shape he was in, it still seems a little odd to me that Thomas's Hunger wouldn't reach for any option.That was my thought on him travelling in the car with Murphy. My only guess is that Lara might have started nursing him or kept him in check.
Would that mean that Lara could exercise enough control to touch Harry and not get burned now that she knows Harry is protected?
Regarding the ink-tag, I believe Harry does shake hands with Chandler, who was operating under Carlos's command. Carlos might have been responsible for ordering the tag without specifically doing it himself?Except he doesn't shake hands with Chandler until after they've caught up with him using the tag. And Carlos wags his pinky to indicate how he did it.
Another continuity difficulty--when Harry and Lara are going to rescue Thomas, Harry accidentally burns Lara, which confirms some things with regard to him and Karrin. However, on the way out, there's no mention of Harry being particularly careful not to burn Thomas, which I'd think would be a concern?When he was in the lab, he used towels to handle Thomas being careful not to touch him directly, if I recall correctly.
The Betas told Jim about the "continuity errors" surrounding Mortimer in GS (his house and shaved head were wrong). Jim kept the "errors" in. That makes them intentional. Other continuity errors could also be intentional.I don't know that I would call the Mortimer things "intentional". It might have also been just a mistake and a missed opportunity to fix.
When he was in the lab, he used towels to handle Thomas being careful not to touch him directly, if I recall correctly.
Would that mean that Lara could exercise enough control to touch Harry and not get burned now that she knows Harry is protected?
The thing about Harry and the BFS is interesting since it happens at the end of Skin Game. Another event that happened at the end of Skin Game that has now been changed was Murphy's prognosis. She went from being able to recover up to 90% mobility down to 50%. Come to think of it, Blood on His Soul is pretty much dead in Skin Game, but River says he's alive and out of Hades realm.
It isn't mentioned, but there could be complications such as infections that could destroy tissue that cannot be replaced. Nic wiped the pavement with her, several nasties walked upon it just before, who knows what nasty microbes got into her wounds. Again, hate to harp on it, but her age, not that she is so old but she has been doing athletic things for over twenty years with some real heavy weights that puts wear and tear on joints, crippling osteoarthritis may have set in. We've seen many a "youngish" newly retired NFL Football player walking with canes because his joints and body just wore out. Not saying that did happen off page, but it is a realistic/ plausible explanation for her recovery going from 90% down to 50%.But he was covered everywhere but his hands and head and neck in their dojo duel. I'm not sure any part of him touched her, did it?
But he was covered everywhere but his hands and head and neck in their dojo duel. I'm not sure any part of him touched her, did it?You misunderstand, I mean when Nic beat up Murphy in the first place in Skin Game, she did have cuts and abrasions from hitting the sidewalk... Who knows what microbes were on the cement, everything from animal poop and urine to what ever anyone passing by had on the soles of their shoes, also the stuff they spread to melt ice.. So in these days of antibiotic resistant microbes, Murphy could have gotten one hell of a drug resistant infection, she might be lucky to have come out of it with all her limbs.. Since frequently doctors are forced to amputate to keep the patient alive.
I thought there were two types of dragon - specifically big-D Dragon like Ferrovax and specifically little-d dragon - and that the one Michael killed (Siriothrax) as the lessor, but still powerful enough that it was considered a hard thing to do. Or... maybe remembering wrong. I need to find my Grave Peril book (I think it was in there)Siriothrax was the least of the big-D Dragons.
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently. Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.Wasn't she given two originally?
But she didn't get burned when they were on the ground together and the Mantle had very amorous ideas. Harry merely called it off before it went any further, not that he didn't want it to go further. I am not saying she wouldn't have been burned, but just that it didn't happen. So unless they try again later in the book and she gets burnt, it didn't happen when she and Harry have their little exercise session at her estate when they first meet.
Wasn't she given two originally?Harry got the phone number of Kinkaid’s arms dealer in death masks:
Kincaid grinned. "I know a guy. I'll
have him call you. See you, Dresden."
When add in the fact that Harry doesn't remember going into the BFS at the end of Skin Game, and the fact that bad bigfoot is up and around in the real world, it makes me wonder if Skin Happened the way we think it did. Of course what's on the page is on the page, but in SG we learned about the existence of alternate Harrys. Is the Harry in Peace Talks the Harry that was in SG?
You misunderstand, I mean when Nic beat up Murphy in the first place in Skin Game, she did have cuts and abrasions from hitting the sidewalk... Who knows what microbes were on the cement, everything from animal poop and urine to what ever anyone passing by had on the soles of their shoes, also the stuff they spread to melt ice.. So in these days of antibiotic resistant microbes, Murphy could have gotten one hell of a drug resistant infection, she might be lucky to have come out of it with all her limbs.. Since frequently doctors are forced to amputate to keep the patient alive.Huh, I don't know what happened but my reply wasn't meant for your post that I quoted. That one was about Lara and Harry.
She may not have developed the infection until after the doctors gave their 90% recovery. Doctors can be wrong, and she wouldn't be the first nor the last patient seemingly doing well suddenly go south..
I don't know that I would call the Mortimer things "intentional". It might have also been just a mistake and a missed opportunity to fix.Jim wrote the chapter. He posted it to his betas. They mentioned the mistake. He wrote the rest of GS without changing what is otherwise a minor detail. I don't see how that's a missed opportunity to fix it. Intentional seems way more likely to me.
There is the explanation she gave in the book about her control. She can use it whenever she wish to but she can not always choose when not to.It might also depend on her level of desire.
the only explanation I can think of is that her measure control is variable and depends on things like how well she is fed and how much preasure she is under.
The other reason of course is that Jim wanted to show the protection.
It might also depend on her level of desire.Like I said, how well she is fed.
Like I said, how well she is fed.I guess I'll be blunt. Her control might depend on how horny Lara is. Not how much of a reserve she has. Not how much her Hunger desires to feed. Just regular human lust. Maybe Harry just gets to her.
I guess I'll be blunt. Her control might depend on how horny Lara is. Not how much of a reserve she has. Not how much her Hunger desires to feed. Just regular human lust. Maybe Harry just gets to her.I understood. I just do not think it is a factor of any importance.
I understood. I just do not think it is a factor of any importance.
Yeah, I don't think the usual "feeding on emotions" was happening here. Lara loves her brother, and that is what she was feeding the Hunger to try and keep Thomas going. To survive apparently the Hunger will eat anything at this point, including it's host, which makes no sense. Because once it has "eaten" Thomas and he dies, it dies as well. So two possibilities, the Hunger Demon really is just a mindless parasite not knowing what is in it's best interest in it's effort to survive.. Or it has a way to move onto a new host once it's present host is dead, so it survives.It needs to get energy to survive and by starving it Thomas turned against it. And humans are not that different. If they really get hungry they eat things they need to get a harvest next year. They know it will kill them over a year but not eating will kill them now.
The Hunger is a genuine parasite, and yes they will eat their host.The difference between a symbiot and a parasite is purely what both parties get out of it, how they value it. The relation can change if the situation changes.
The Hunger is a genuine parasite, and yes they will eat their host.
Harry says something about "Notre Dame, before the fire." Is there some fire that happened before April 15, 2019? There's no way this book should take place in 2019 or later.
Harry says something about "Notre Dame, before the fire." Is there some fire that happened before April 15, 2019? There's no way this book should take place in 2019 or later.Not one that I know of that would have changed the appearance. We'll have to assume the events of the book are 2014-2015 timeframe, but his journal entry was post fire in 2019.
Mira: https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline (https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline).
Grifter: Probably have to go with that to not break the timeline.
It doesn't give the year though, Harry was born twenty six years before Storm Front, but it doesn't give the year that Storm Front takes place in.Storm Front happened within a year or two of 2000. (with some admitted timeline mistakes)
Storm Front happened within a year or two of 2000. (with some admitted timeline mistakes)
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently. Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.
That has Harry being born around 1974, give or take, Star Wars came out in 1977.. So maybe as a three year old he remembers going to see it with his dad?
He took me to see Star Wars movies.
Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 268). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
This implies he also saw The Empire Strikes Back with his father.
“No,” she said. “Because I’m also the one who changed Thomas’s diapers, after his mother escaped our father. Dressed him. Fed him his meals. Taught him to read.”
Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 132). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
“God knows,” Thomas said. “All I know is that there was some sort of business between them. It developed into something else. Father was trying to snare her permanently, but she wound up being too strong for him to completely enthrall. She escaped him when I was about five. From what I’ve been able to learn, she met your father the next year when she was on the run.”
Butcher, Jim. Blood Rites (The Dresden Files, Book 6) (p. 166). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Oh, here's another error:I actually talked to a friend with kids about that, and she said it's not abnormal to have kids still in diapers (or more likely pull-ups) at 5+. A kid with abandonment issues from his mom leaving and his dad being a psychotic monster might still be using them. But I can also see where Lara might have done it prior to Margaret's departure, and is just conflating both.
Thomas was well out of diapers when Margaret left Lord Raith:
I actually talked to a friend with kids about that, and she said it's not abnormal to have kids still in diapers (or more likely pull-ups) at 5+. A kid with abandonment issues from his mom leaving and his dad being a psychotic monster might still be using them. But I can also see where Lara might have done it prior to Margaret's departure, and is just conflating both.
Murphy got her P-90 back after losing it in the water apparently. Though that may have just been her being able to get another one.I would expect her to get another one. Kincaid chose that weapon because it especially suited her, he probably has extensive skill in that kind of thing. Karrin has the contacts to get all kinds of weapons so she would get another one.
I don't remember any spoken of, I still remember that horrible day with real sadness. He also said that his father took him to see Star Wars. That came out in 1977, Harry was supposedly six when his father died. Does anyone remember the year Harry was born? Because that would put him closer to fifty than his early forties.
It close enough to our world to have Star Wars and there have been several slips as the time passes faster here then in the Dresden Files. This is being talked about in Reddit. Jim is of the opinion that the fans know the books better then he does. Frankly I bought in to having Indiana Jones hide on a submarine in broad daylight in the Med, small continuity errors bother me only in the sense that maybe Jim doesn't seem to really care.
Maybe some of you weren't around, yes, Star Wars first arrived in 1977, but it played in theaters for the entire time before Empire came out, and even then, you could still find it in theaters. It was still in wide release in 1982! I remember watching both Star Wars and Empire as a double feature before Jedi came out. Then many theaters were running all three, staggered so you could see them all back to back to back. So there's no inconsistency there.
It doesn't give the year though, Harry was born twenty six years before Storm Front, but it doesn't give the year that Storm Front takes place in.It gives at least a couple of years and the reasons for and against them.
Not exactly a continuity error, but Harry attributes the Hounds of Tindalos to H.P. Lovecraft. They were created by Frank Belnap Long and later incorporated into the Lovecraft Mythos by August Derleth.Yeah. (1)Harry mentioning the Notre Dame fire, (2)Lara saying she changed Thomas's diapers after he was five, (3)Murphy's P-90, and (4)the Hounds misattribution can all be easily explained. 1. Harry "wrote" this or all the case files well after the fact. 2. Either Thomas or Lara was wrong about the timeline. 3. Murphy got a second one, or depending on when it reappeared, maybe it washed up on Demonreach after Harry had claimed it. 4. Harry (or Jim) was just conflating Lovecraftian with Lovecraft.
I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a five year old wearing diapers who didn't have severe issues, but my mom doesn't think it would be that unusual. (My mom has more experience with young kids below the age of 6 or 7 than anyone I've ever met including kindergarten teachers and pediatricians).
Harry mentions Listen. Didn't Listen die in Bombshells?
Listen walked out on his own power, his hands behind his back, one of his eyes swollen halfway shut. He gave me a steady look as he went by and said nothing.
Bastard.
Butcher, Jim. Brief Cases (Dresden Files) (p. 273). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
- Lara states that's she never been betrayed by members of her household. I guess Madeline in Turn Coat doesn't count?
Also, there's something else to consider about Genosowka/Blood. Yeah, shapeshifter. Yeah coin. But if he died in the Underworld, what if Hades sent him back under a Geas as his punishment.
Harry mentions Listen. Didn't Listen die in Bombshells?Nope, he was captured. Last we saw he was walking out with his hands tied behind his back. Probably turned back over to the Fomor for money or something.
Maybe "wrist" means "lower forearm?" Other than that, you're right. Either Harry or Butters should have noticed. I can see Butters missing or not commenting on it as he was awoken in the middle of the night and focused on Harry's injuries.
Others I noticed:It is how Daddy trained them. Daddy Raith would let her do it to get the right family bond.
- The distance to the Raith manor is described as "several miles" (and he drives in convoy). In Turn Coat it's "half a mile".
- Harry drinks that "black and white" potion, yet he still sees some things in color (like "scarlet blood") inconsistently.
- Lara states that's she never been betrayed by members of her household. I guess Madeline in Turn Coat doesn't count?
- Not a dis-continuity, but you'd think the Raiths would have had a servant/maid doing things like changing diapers.
“Family," Raith spat.
"Nothing but an accident of birth. Random consequence of desire and
response. Family is meaningless. It is nothing but the drive of blood to
further its own. Random combination of genes. It is utterly insignificant."
"Your children don't think
that," I said. "They think family is important."
He laughed. "Of course they think
that. I have trained them to do so. It is a simple and convenient way to
control them."
First, a modest, plain bronze plaque fixed to the wall that spelled out the words BETTER FUTURE SOCIETY in letters an inch high.
It read simply, BRIGHTER FUTURE SOCIETY.OK, it's not so much difference. " better" - "brighter", but...
I looked it up:
Ghost Story, page 199, e-book:OK, it's not so much difference. " better" - "brighter", but...
Could be misremembering from Butcher's side, but with the comment about having been there as a ghost and not at the end of Skin Game, I'm not so sure.
"My comfy, dumpy old apartment was gone, flattened by Gentleman Johnnie Marcone to make way for his stupid little castle and the Bigger Better Brighter Future Society."
"The fete was being hosted at the Brighter Future Society's headquarters..."
"But as I approached the front door, I was struck by two things: First, a modest, plain bronze plaque fixed to the wall that spelled out the words BETTER FUTURE SOCIETY in letters an inch high..."
I'm new to the forum.
When did Thomas learn that Dresden wasn't dead? I don't remember reading anywhere that Thomas was told Dresden wasn't dead.
I like that. I wish Shecky or another Beta reader read this thread.
The beta readers might be under a confidentiality agreement about which continuity errors are deliberate and which are garden-variety slipups anyway. The deliberate ones are clues to something, and a list of which is which would be too revealing.
Thomas found out the hard way in Cold Days that Harry wasn't dead. He attacked Harry in the Water Beatle not realizing who it was. If i remember correctly, the only person that we know who knew Harry was alive was Molly.
**Hmmmmm… 2 things off about this. First, unless Michael’s slaying of
Siriothax occurred outside the mortal world, there’s been a more recent
dragon slaying than one that would have happened at Tunguska. Second,
Ebenezer claimed Tunguska as one of the “necessary things he did” in
chapter 35 of Blood Rites.