Yeah. When you add in that there's no "void" described around the Scarecrow, and that summer fire DOES reach him, it seems more that he's just filled with "cold cold power" from ancient Winter.  I think the fetch/outsider connection is the core error assumption that Jim was commenting on in Neurovore's theory.

We know that if you throw enough magic at an Outsider, even they will be affected, the Summer Fire could have just been enough magic to get around it, it was enough to destroy the Winter wellspring.

As to the first, it's the NeverNever. Theoretically the fight at Arctis Tor could've happened a hundred years prior to the start of the series.

I expect we'll find out more in Cold Days.

Time isn't THAT screwy in the NN, even if it happened a year before PG, it would have been cleaned up by then. And the smell of Hellfire would probably be gone in half a day, tops.

I think the best Fit for who did this was the WK(perhaps Lara's influence).

But... I offer this up for debate... Did we SEE lara take over the WK?

For all we know, the WK might be pulling one over all of us.

I believe Thomas says: you must embrace the role.

WC vamps blend in very easily, and are smart. The WK didn't become the WK because he made mistakes that were costly as the one he made with Harry and Thomas.

Truth is, I don't particularly see any solid proof that the WK is under Lara's control. She could be under his control.

Any evidence to the contrary can be construed as evidence that the WK is more capable than we expect.

By WoJ, he got himself enslaved. He isn't in control.

Vitto turned on his own people. The Malvoras and Skavis all died, and all the Raiths would have died. The only White Court vampire to survive would have been Vitto, and any lesser vamps who didn't attend. The White Court would have been basically extinct. Nowhere did Cowl or Vitto imply the goal of the operation was to consolidate power under Vitto, and it wouldn't have made very much sense. If that's what they wanted, they should have not involved Dresden and Cowl should have killed the Skavis.

No, that was just the top ranked nobles, the bulk of the White Court would have been just fine.

He says he has seen them in action before, and that when it comes down to it, he's the smart one who actually gets things done. That's not the same thing as speaking and working with them.

Doesn't he say something about talking and working with them after breaking the EK's circle?

I'm of the suspicion that the "different people opening at the same spot get different results" comment was just Harry stating something incorrect, like his statement that Ebenezar is the youngest and weakest of the senior council.

Another thing in favour of it being Erl who made the belts, WoJ has it we're going to find out more about who made the belts in Cold Days.

Really interesting post Knnn. I got say I agree with it.

Just that the fake attack on Gard and Hendricks, they didn't sacrifice the denarian on purpose, I think Harry and Thomas surprised them with their competence.

Recent changelings?? Really?? Someone would choose to become a goatman??

Not everyone sees something wrong with the idea of being an immortal superhuman goatman.