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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Basil on October 14, 2020, 05:15:51 PM
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Just making a list of loose threads of characters with unknown whereabouts/fates:
* Tera West -- Sent a greeting via Listens to Wind
* Cait Sith -- Batted into the Lake
* Lord Raith (got it right that time) -- Under Lara's tender ministrations still? breaking free?
* Kid from Ghost Story (Aristides' flunky) -- no idea?
* Chandler --- shadow realm? pocket dimension?
* Wild Bill/Yuki -- New BC Vamps?
* Blood on Soul (despite being flattened) -- How?
* Christos -- Did he make it?
* Liberty -- Did she make it? Did she turn on Harry in the SC vote?
* McCoy -- how incapacitated is he?
* Listens to Wind -- how incapacitated is he?
* The Eebs -- destroyed by Changes or still guests of Erlking
* Cowl/Kumori -- no idea
* Dracula son of Drakul -- only mentioned
* Justine (she lived, just no idea where she went) -- no body found
* Lashiel -- If Blood on Soul made it, perhaps she did too.
* Nicodemus/Tessa -- on the run, but where?
* Kincaid -- not with Ivy anymore, so what's he up to?
* Lydia -- nearly sacrificed, probably no Cassandra's Tears
* Agent Tilly -- FBI guy from Changes
* Mortimer the Friendly Ectomancer
* Elaine
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I think the Black hole of nothingness which sucked Chandler in deposited him in Hell, or worse New Jersey.
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That would be sadistic. Butcher is a monster.
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I think the Black hole of nothingness which sucked Chandler in deposited him in Hell, or worse New Jersey.
I think Chandler knew his fate because of his ability to forsee the future, so he prepared something to find his way back perhaps?
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I had a brief hope that the young woman with the bent helmet that Butters was able to remove was Terra West, when she was described as a Native American woman.
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* Kid from Ghost Story (Aristides' flunky) -- no idea?
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* Kincaid -- not with Ivy anymore, so what's he up to?
Fitz.
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Jim said he's kind of stalking Ivy.
I had a brief hope that the young woman with the bent helmet that Butters was able to remove was Terra West, when she was described as a Native American woman.
I'm pretty sure she was one of the fae tributes from the Cold Case short story.
We've also got the kid from the Zoo Day short story, Austin, I think. Mort, Gary, Bradley, Tilly, every named character from Clan Murphy, Randy, Forthill, Bock, and any other named charachter who lives in Chicago that we're forgetting.
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Daniel Carpenter.
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Rudolph...where is he? And what is he doing?
Justine baby? (Did she keep them alive? Why? Nemfected?)
Daniel Carpenter was married and well away of the conflict. Also, Michael seems fine in CE, so I think he is doing well.
Bradley is fine. I am sure Forthill too or Michael would have mentioned it in the end.
Bock was at Mac's, so presumably fine.
Vincent the young PI who could have fooled Mab's plan for Molly :P
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Forthill was at the funeral at the end of BG. He spoke over the gravesite.
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True, I forgot
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Rudolph...where is he? And what is he doing?
Justine baby? (Did she keep them alive? Why? Nemfected?)
Daniel Carpenter was married and well away of the conflict. Also, Michael seems fine in CE, so I think he is doing well.
Bradley is fine. I am sure Forthill too or Michael would have mentioned it in the end.
Bock was at Mac's, so presumably fine.
Vincent the young PI who could have fooled Mab's plan for Molly :P
Ah, ok. I missed that Daniel was out of things and away. Last I saw of him he seemed pretty deep into things in Chicago.
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It's described in PT, when Harry spends a while in Daniel's room. Daniel and wife are expecting their first child, and living away. I liked that scene a lot (Harry "thinks" about the posters, the old clothes, the bed itself.)
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Lydia of the Casandra tears... Wonder what she sees now?
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Ah yes!
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Lydia of the Casandra tears... Wonder what she sees now?
I wonder if she's still seeing basically the same vision she saw back in Grave Peril. I read on tvtropes that Jim doesn't think she had Casandra's Tears and was conning Harry. Which is ironic because that's what Casandra's Tears is. A prophetic condition where the prophecies are not believed.
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I wonder if she's still seeing basically the same vision she saw back in Grave Peril. I read on tvtropes that Jim doesn't think she had Casandra's Tears and was conning Harry. Which is ironic because that's what Casandra's Tears is. A prophetic condition where the prophecies are not believed.
Yes, but that didn't make them less true, which means they aren't a con.
this from Wikipedia;
Cassandra was given the gift of prophecy, but was also cursed by the god Apollo so that her true prophecies would not be believed. Many versions of the myth relate that she incurred the god's wrath by refusing him sex, after promising herself to him in exchange for the power of prophecy.
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I had a brief hope that the young woman with the bent helmet that Butters was able to remove was Terra West, when she was described as a Native American woman.
Same!
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Can I ad Elaine to this lot? she was a tough cookie and it always looked to me like there is more to her story then Harry lets us know.
I'm very curious about what she was up to during theses last few years since we last saw her. Any of you fine folks have an idea?
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No, but I didn't even want to mention her :). I worry JB is planning to do them end game. I am quite angry for his treatment of Harry's partners and I'd hate to see it as a setting for Harry finishing with Elaine.
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No, but I didn't even want to mention her :). I worry JB is planning to do them end game. I am quite angry for his treatment of Harry's partners and I'd hate to see it as a setting for Harry finishing with Elaine.
I don't think he will end up with anyone, he will be happy with his grown daughter, her children and Mouse.
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I don't think he will end up with anyone, he will be happy with his grown daughter, her children and Mouse.
You are clearly more of an optimist then I am. I mean, I guess you're right he won't end up with anyone, but I would not bet on Harry getting to be happy with his grown daughter, her children and Mouse. Nope I see him dying doing the right thing(die alone for everyone he loves).
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You are clearly more of an optimist then I am. I mean, I guess you're right he won't end up with anyone, but I would not bet on Harry getting to be happy with his grown daughter, her children and Mouse. Nope I see him dying doing the right thing(die alone for everyone he loves).
I think that is what sort of happened to him at the end of Changes. He suicided in hopes that it would prevent him from becoming Mab's monster, and when he landed in her arms in the water he heard "die alone." Though he really didn't die. He wrote the Dresden Files, so maybe he dies at the age of 400 or so on the last page and Maggie finishes it for him. As Malcolm told him in that vision/dream in I think it was Dead Beat, "everyone dies alone.." It really isn't so horrible.
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Yes. I think we will see Harry's death but I don't know, it could happen many times in a future. Sort of the epilogue of Harry Potter but more in the future. I can see Harry's grandchild or grandgrandchild adding a lines about his death, to finish the case files. But I don't know, I may be totally wrong.
Back on topic, I thought in another loose end. The Sidhe fiddler who became an ice statue for the Buffet in PT. We don't know if he survived, but if he did, he has a whole of a reason to hate Harry and ally himself with his enemies.
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Back on topic, I thought in another loose end. The Sidhe fiddler who became an ice statue for the Buffet in PT. We don't know if he survived, but if he did, he has a whole of a reason to hate Harry and ally himself with his enemies.
That is true, but he embarrassed the Winter Court so he'd have to deal with Mab and Molly first, I bet he will wish he was still an ice statue.
What happened to Christos and Martha? Eb and Listens were hurt pretty bad, Christos fought a lot, did he come away unscathed? Is he the one who testified against Harry claiming he broke the First Law when he killed the Turtlenecks?
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This should be turned into a poll, and people can vote on what characters we want to see again.
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That is true, but he embarrassed the Winter Court so he'd have to deal with Mab and Molly first, I bet he will wish he was still an ice statue.
What happened to Christos and Martha? Eb and Listens were hurt pretty bad, Christos fought a lot, did he come away unscathed? Is he the one who testified against Harry claiming he broke the First Law when he killed the Turtlenecks?
Cristos was last seen 'flung to one side, burning, body going limp and rag doll in the violence of the explosion'. He may have lived, but no way was he healed THAT fast. IMO he's most likely dead since no healing was mentioned, unlike for Eb and LtW.
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I thought he had not died just because I thought Ramirez would have mentioned it a lot more. Besides, it would be a jerk move to do a Senior Council voting so close of that death. It would be like hurrying a vote for a Supreme Court judge.
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Cristos was last seen 'flung to one side, burning, body going limp and rag doll in the violence of the explosion'. He may have lived, but no way was he healed THAT fast. IMO he's most likely dead since no healing was mentioned, unlike for Eb and LtW.
Maybe being on fire for a little while isn't that big of a deal for someone on the Senior Council.
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Maybe being on fire for a little while isn't that big of a deal for someone on the Senior Council.
If Christos is that damaged, then the Senior Council meeting that condemned Dresden was Merlin, Mai and Martha Liberty.
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If Christos is that damaged, then the Senior Council meeting that condemned Dresden was Merlin, Mai and Martha Liberty.
Yeah, it takes three votes for the Senior Council to take the vote from the Council. I doubt any vote of the Council is unanimous, so it was probably a vote of the Senior Council. I'd really like to know what went on with that vote. We only know that Eb and LtW weren't there. There is reason to believe that Gatekeeper, Martha Liberty, and/or Cristos weren't there. Martha and Cristos were both involved in the battle. Cristos was on fire. That's generally going to keep someone on the bench for a while. However "but wizards" is a pretty big loophole. We have no idea what happened to Martha. The Gatekeeper was busy, but we don't know if he was still busy.
We have no reason to believe the Merlin and Mai weren't there, but Jim could always do something after the fact to justify there absence. I really doubt that'll happen though.
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If the Gatekeeper voted against Harry, JB has a very good reason in his mind.
I don't think Martha was injured in the battle (they were taking special care with her because she had a plaster and walking problems). Would 3 votes will be enough?
Maybe being on fire for a little while isn't that big of a deal for someone on the Senior Council.
Yes, he may have protections on his body that are not obvious to anyone watching him burn. So perhaps the fires damage his suit for instance, but not actually burn him, or at least not to a major degree. Fire resistance +5, perhaps. So he could have been moderately injured, even in pain, but able to cast a vote.
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Would 3 votes will be enough?
Yes. It takes three votes for the Council to take up an issue. We see this in Summer Knight. It's kind of like the American Supreme Court. If four justices (of 9) vote to hear a case, the Court hears the case.
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Ok, I guess is 30% but it seems a little too much that if the case were something affecting more than just Harry only 3 people would have decided the destiny of so many. But it does not matter, it is what it is.
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If they had Merlin, Mai and Liberty then they had a quorum.
Then, in any vote Merlin would hold the proxy of everyone not present -- McCoy, LTW, Christos, Rashid.
Thus the "unanimous vote."
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If they had Merlin, Mai and Liberty then they had a quorum.
Then, in any vote Merlin would hold the proxy of everyone not present -- McCoy, LTW, Christos, Rashid.
Thus the "unanimous vote."
Yeah, considering that apparently the Merlin doesn't ask his proxies how they wish him to vote on
their behalf.
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Yeah. The Merlin gets everyone's proxy who hasn't designated it. Others can designate a proxy ahead of time. I think that's what was said in PG.