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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Yuillegan on June 19, 2021, 09:30:26 PM
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Do we really think Eb tried that hard to kill Lord Raith? Yes, magic seems to roll off Raith. But as Margaret worked out, the Hunger is vulnerable. Harry even guessed (mid-fight) that Raith likely wasn't immune to magic wielded physical objects. Eb surely could have worked that out. Also, when Eb tries to kill targets he isn't exactly subtle. He killed Ortega with a goddamn satellite. For revenge for his daughter...I am surprised he didn't use a bloodline curse like the one in Changes or just set off a tornado or volcano or something. It's not like he couldn't set it up.
By all accounts he is a bigger hot head than Harry. Look what Harry did when the vampires kidnapped his daughter. I just can't understand why Ebenezar has allowed the White Court to exist...let alone the White King.
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Consider that he set off the New Madrid earthquake after the birth of his daughter and possibly after the death of his wife. Just saying it was a busy few years.
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True. But the White Court is still standing and Lord Raith is still alive and on the throne (technically).
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He tried and he failed. Eb is not as subtle as his daughter was.
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Yeah, I'm inclined to think if Eb said he tried to kill him.. HE TRIED TO KILL HIM, no half measures..
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Yeah, I'm inclined to think if Eb said he tried to kill him.. HE TRIED TO KILL HIM, no half measures..
And yet, Chateau Raith hasn't been reduced to a smoking crater by any satellite impacts.
I don't doubt his sincerity, but he may have had to take some tactics off the table if they would have been blatant enough to cross the line from settling the scores on a personal vendetta into violating the Accords and starting a war. Significant collateral damage to other whampires probably would have done that.
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And yet, Chateau Raith hasn't been reduced to a smoking crater by any satellite impacts.
I don't doubt his sincerity, but he may have had to take some tactics off the table if they would have been blatant enough to cross the line from settling the scores on a personal vendetta into violating the Accords and starting a war. Significant collateral damage to other whampires probably would have done that.
You really think a pro like Eb couldn't make a grease spot out of Lord Raith without wrecking the place? It wouldn't have made a difference anyway, if he is immune, Lord Raith would merely have crawled out of the ruins and brushed himself off. Eb most likely would have been implicated in a number of violations listed under Mab's Accords and it would have been a mess. No, this had to have been an attempt at a cover squish, an overt one would have led to more trouble than Raith is worth.
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There was no official war. Ebenezer could kill Ortega in such an open public way because there was a war going on.
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There was no official war. Ebenezer could kill Ortega in such an open public way because there was a war going on.
Yes, but when he was seeking revenge for the murder of his daughter, there was no such war going on.
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It does seem a bit odd, yes. Especially since throwing things at people with magic to splat them is apparently one of Eb's go-to's, and if it works with car keys, why wouldn't it work with an orbital body?
Maybe Lord Raith is less immune to Harry pulling something then Eb due to Starborn Shenanigans, since his protection is Outsider-based?
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Drop a sat on someone in South America and it will raise a stink. Drop one in Chicago and somebody starts head hunting wizards.
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Drop a sat on someone in South America and it will raise a stink. Drop one in Chicago and somebody starts head hunting wizards.
The catch with that argument is that he wouldn't need a satellite, a nice torso sized rock like the one he flung as an opener in PT would be enough to make LR lose everything below the neck if it hit him. It's especially silly with how Blood Rites went out of it's way to show how piss-poor Lord Raith's security was.
Ebenezar has shown a bunch of ways to take him down which is why Blood Rites looks weird in hindsight and this sort of thread pops up from time to time.
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I agree even if Eb failed to kill him the first time, I would think he would try again and again and again until he succeeded. Look at PT; he is clearly still very angry with the White Court. I wonder if someone talked him out of getting revenge (maybe The Merlin so as to avoid starting a war with the White Court) or someone was helping Eb with the long game and getting revenge that way.
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And yet, Chateau Raith hasn't been reduced to a smoking crater by any satellite impacts.
I don't doubt his sincerity, but he may have had to take some tactics off the table if they would have been blatant enough to cross the line from settling the scores on a personal vendetta into violating the Accords and starting a war. Significant collateral damage to other whampires probably would have done that.
Someone gets it. Ebenezer can cause earthquakes and volcanos to happen, he can cause mass death and violence. Why is the White Court still around at all?
Personally, I think there is more secrets. It would explain some of the rage. He wants to kill them all but can't because of *reason*. It's an endless source of pain and rage for him. I don't doubt he had the means, knowledge, connections etc to kill Lord Raith in some fashion. I think there must be some political conspiracy.
You really think a pro like Eb couldn't make a grease spot out of Lord Raith without wrecking the place? It wouldn't have made a difference anyway, if he is immune, Lord Raith would merely have crawled out of the ruins and brushed himself off. Eb most likely would have been implicated in a number of violations listed under Mab's Accords and it would have been a mess. No, this had to have been an attempt at a cover squish, an overt one would have led to more trouble than Raith is worth.
Yes. That's the entire point. Raith is protected from magic...yet Eb surely knows of ways to attack without using magic directly. Enchanted objects, cataclysmic natural event, legions of allies etc. Lord Raith is immune to magic not physical violence. Harry exploits this in Blood Rites when he hurls a stone (with magic) at Raith and it injurs him. Ebenezar could probably get a pebble or a bullet and use magic to accelerate is so fast an accurately it would ignite (effectively sniping an opponent). Except Ebenezar wouldn't have been in violation. The White Court killed a White Council wizard FIRST. So if Eb responded I don't doubt Mab would see it as justice. It isn't like he got in trouble for Casaverde in response for Archangel.
There are only two explanations:
1) Jim didn't think this through when he wrote Blood Rites. Fair enough, he was still a young writer etc.
2) There is some conspiracy going on in-universe.
There was no official war. Ebenezer could kill Ortega in such an open public way because there was a war going on.
Perhaps...but what about Krakatoa, Tunguska, New Madrid etc? Who knows what else as well?
Drop a sat on someone in South America and it will raise a stink. Drop one in Chicago and somebody starts head hunting wizards.
Who? The government? Satellites fall every day. It would be labelled a terrible tragedy and no one would bat an eye. Don't forget Chateau Raith isn't the only White Court base, not even their main one. think the main one is in Italy somewhere. I think the Librarians would thank whoever killed the White King, not to mention any of his species. It isn't like they are fond of them. Lara is seriously worried about the Librarians.
The catch with that argument is that he wouldn't need a satellite, a nice torso sized rock like the one he flung as an opener in PT would be enough to make LR lose everything below the neck if it hit him. It's especially silly with how Blood Rites went out of it's way to show how piss-poor Lord Raith's security was.
Ebenezar has shown a bunch of ways to take him down which is why Blood Rites looks weird in hindsight and this sort of thread pops up from time to time.
Couldn't agree more.
I agree even if Eb failed to kill him the first time, I would think he would try again and again and again until he succeeded. Look at PT; he is clearly still very angry with the White Court. I wonder if someone talked him out of getting revenge (maybe The Merlin so as to avoid starting a war with the White Court) or someone was helping Eb with the long game and getting revenge that way.
I doubt the Merlin could. Maybe LtW or someone. His anger isn't solely about what happened to his daughter too - which makes the whole thing even weirder. What do you think the long game is for Eb then?
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Someone gets it. Ebenezer can cause earthquakes and volcanos to happen, he can cause mass death and violence. Why is the White Court still around at all?
Personally, I think there is more secrets. It would explain some of the rage. He wants to kill them all but can't because of *reason*. It's an endless source of pain and rage for him. I don't doubt he had the means, knowledge, connections etc to kill Lord Raith in some fashion. I think there must be some political conspiracy.
It would have meant war with the white court and their potential allies without any support from other nations and Mab would be angry. Looking at how the white council reacted to Harry in Summer Night the Merlin could easily get a council majority stopping Ebenezer especially because he was not in the senior council at that time.
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I think there is some underestimation on the White Courts security during the full reign of Lord Raith. Sure there wasn't a lot of free thinking when he was fully in charge but one good thing about the security detail during that era was there would have been no loose lips. I got the impression that Lord Raith moved around a lot as part of his security precautions. Even Lara, who even before she took full reign, did a lot of the administration aspect of running the White Court and didn't always know where dear ole daddy was. The whole nuke a location option doesn't work too well when you don't know where your target is at any given time. Setting up an object from orbit or a new volcano or earthquake to hit needs some serious set up time to pull off. So with those options off the table, Eb would have to be less than subtle in his attempt to kill him and as Raith was always surrounded by his thralls and could always GTFO before Eb could even come close. I don't think he would have been as easy to kill as some seem to think.
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I think there is some underestimation on the White Courts security during the full reign of Lord Raith. Sure there wasn't a lot of free thinking when he was fully in charge but one good thing about the security detail during that era was there would have been no loose lips. I got the impression that Lord Raith moved around a lot as part of his security precautions. Even Lara, who even before she took full reign, did a lot of the administration aspect of running the White Court and didn't always know where dear ole daddy was. The whole nuke a location option doesn't work too well when you don't know where your target is at any given time. Setting up an object from orbit or a new volcano or earthquake to hit needs some serious set up time to pull off. So with those options off the table, Eb would have to be less than subtle in his attempt to kill him and as Raith was always surrounded by his thralls and could always GTFO before Eb could even come close. I don't think he would have been as easy to kill as some seem to think.
I don't either, and given what Harry describes he feels when he tries himself to kill Raith, he actually may be an illusion of some sort. What if it turns out that Margaret indeed did kill him, and what we see is a shell or better yet an illusion of some sort that is occupied by an Outsider. This would explain the inability to feed, and since his body doesn't seem to be consumed from with in as Lara said was happening to Thomas, something else is going on. However to maintain this, even for an Outsider is very taxing, this would explain Raith's importance.
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I've asked myself this question as well. Why not just obliterate Raith's car when driving or something. The only thing I could come up with is that just as the Entropy curse causes anything bad that can happen, to happen regardless of how unlikely (like a frozen turkey falling from an airplane), perhaps his protection offers the opposite. It's entropy protection meaning that he basically has unbelievable magical luck when it comes to attempts on his life.
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I've asked myself this question as well. Why not just obliterate Raith's car when driving or something. The only thing I could come up with is that just as the Entropy curse causes anything bad that can happen, to happen regardless of how unlikely (like a frozen turkey falling from an airplane), perhaps his protection offers the opposite. It's entropy protection meaning that he basically has unbelievable magical luck when it comes to attempts on his life.
Or if he really is an Outsider in the guise of Lord Raith, he isn't going to be easy to kill because he no longer exists.
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Or if he really is an Outsider in the guise of Lord Raith, he isn't going to be easy to kill because he no longer exists.
I think outsider mental processes are too alien for them to successfully carry off an impersonation in a court that's hyper-attuned to behavioural nuances for thirty-some years.
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The catch with that argument is that he wouldn't need a satellite, a nice torso sized rock like the one he flung as an opener in PT would be enough to make LR lose everything below the neck if it hit him. It's especially silly with how Blood Rites went out of it's way to show how piss-poor Lord Raith's security was.
Ebenezar has shown a bunch of ways to take him down which is why Blood Rites looks weird in hindsight and this sort of thread pops up from time to time.
In the real world we'd track him and end him with a Hellfire missile. This isn't the real world and killing someone powerful who doesn't want to be killed isn't all that easy in the first place. Eventually people notice.
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I've asked myself this question as well. Why not just obliterate Raith's car when driving or something. The only thing I could come up with is that just as the Entropy curse causes anything bad that can happen, to happen regardless of how unlikely (like a frozen turkey falling from an airplane), perhaps his protection offers the opposite. It's entropy protection meaning that he basically has unbelievable magical luck when it comes to attempts on his life.
I favor the idea that what she did was expand his protection, such that it ground out any energy he tried to feed on.
As to how he went so long- I assume he started topped off and never did anything while desperately seeking a way out.
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In the real world we'd track him and end him with a Hellfire missile. This isn't the real world and killing someone powerful who doesn't want to be killed isn't all that easy in the first place. Eventually people notice.
How exactly would you track down the Wizard that you dont know exists, who can be anywhere in the world at a moments notice, look like anyone, control minds, and time travel?
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I was referring to Lord Raith, not Eb.
However just for laughs and giggles. If a organization like the Librarians exist then the existence of wizards isn't a secret. Almost certainly there would be quislings, people like Kincaid, jealous lovers, and money. Can you see where this is going? One bright sunny morning Eb would be sitting at his table with his favorite brew looking at his freshly washed and licensed pickup. He wouldn't hear the missile until it was too late to react.
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In the real world we'd track him and end him with a Hellfire missile. This isn't the real world and killing someone powerful who doesn't want to be killed isn't all that easy in the first place. Eventually people notice.
That difficulty in tracking didn't stop Eb from getting close enough to supposedly attempt it three times.
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I was referring to Lord Raith, not Eb.
However just for laughs and giggles. If a organization like the Librarians exist then the existence of wizards isn't a secret. Almost certainly there would be quislings, people like Kincaid, jealous lovers, and money. Can you see where this is going? One bright sunny morning Eb would be sitting at his table with his favorite brew looking at his freshly washed and licensed pickup. He wouldn't hear the missile until it was too late to react.
So you're suggesting the Library of Congress would convince the US Military to start throwing about drone strikes on US soil against Civilian targets because "Trust us guys, Vamires and Wizards are for real."
I don't think that's going to fly.
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So you're suggesting the Library of Congress would convince the US Military to start throwing about drone strikes on US soil against Civilian targets because "Trust us guys, Vamires and Wizards are for real."
I don't think that's going to fly.
Except in these days of the internet and outlandish conspiracy theories that people buy into, it could very well fly.
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So you're suggesting the Library of Congress would convince the US Military to start throwing about drone strikes on US soil against Civilian targets because "Trust us guys, Vamires and Wizards are for real."
I don't think that's going to fly.
And even if it did, that kind of move invites some major retaliation and the Librarians would know that.
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So you're suggesting the Library of Congress would convince the US Military to start throwing about drone strikes on US soil against Civilian targets because "Trust us guys, Vamires and Wizards are for real."
I don't think that's going to fly.
I'd be surprised if they don't have capabilities to pull off a successful version of the "just tell the feds it's terrorists" option that Murphy suggested for dealing with the Denarians in SmF.
Heck, they even might have bureaucromancer'ed themselves an off-the-books drone squadron of their own.
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And even if it did, that kind of move invites some major retaliation and the Librarians would know that.
That doesn't seem to stop anyone these days.. Wars are fought differently now, they are very sneaky, impossible to pin down everything. It becomes a game of wack a-mo on both sides and usually it is only the innocent bystanders that get hurt. When you look at Battle Ground, who was really hurt? Do you think the Fomor were really set back that far? Yeah, the Ethinu was eliminated, but it is unclear if that got the king, I cannot remember, they didn't get Listen, they can come back to fight another day.. Namshiel is back in even a more dangerous and powerful form that he was as old Thorny. The White Council suffered some losses among it's Wardens, but the Senior Council is still in tact.. The Black Court made huge gains, as far as the dead Wardens now vamps go. Lara lost Thomas, but she gained Harry, Mab has more prestige.. So who lost? The people of Chicago, that's who, they suffered and more civilians are going to suffer, the Librarians cannot win the fight if they try to go after the supernatural world, it's too hidden, they don't understand it, and conventional weapons are pretty useless.
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I posted that for fun.
Would the US Government use a hellfire missile on our ground? Sure they would if they thought they had to. They've used them everywhere else on other nations sovereign territory. But Jim just described an attack on American soil by a foreign government that killed 80,000. We've gone to war twice for casualties much less than that. Ford and GM would be manufacturing Thorn Manacles and Cal Tech researching magic suppression devices. But Jim's a better writer than that.
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I posted that for fun.
Would the US Government use a hellfire missile on our ground? Sure they would if they thought they had to. They've used them everywhere else on other nations sovereign territory. But Jim just described an attack on American soil by a foreign government that killed 80,000. We've gone to war twice for casualties much less than that. Ford and GM would be manufacturing Thorn Manacles and Cal Tech researching magic suppression devices. But Jim's a better writer than that.
I don’t think you can make these things with mundane technology.
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I posted that for fun.
Would the US Government use a hellfire missile on our ground? Sure they would if they thought they had to. They've used them everywhere else on other nations sovereign territory. But Jim just described an attack on American soil by a foreign government that killed 80,000. We've gone to war twice for casualties much less than that. Ford and GM would be manufacturing Thorn Manacles and Cal Tech researching magic suppression devices. But Jim's a better writer than that.
It would be like admitting that we'd been attacked by UFO's without any real evidence of them other than some damage done. The government would simply blame terrorists, with unknown origin with the promise to get them. People would quickly lose interest in it, and worry about something more serious like The Bachelor, or a trending Tik Tok video.
Only those at the very top would know what was going on and would be trying to figure out what we were facing before launching an attack. They have no idea how to measure the weapons, and capabilities of the threat. The likely response would be "more firepower". Troops would be moved to populated area's ad a show of strength, and preparedness.
The most top top secret agents would attempt to detain anyone with supernatural abilities for the purpose of interrogating them. I would not be surprised if some injured baddies were detained after the attack.
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It would be like admitting that we'd been attacked by UFO's without any real evidence of them other than some damage done. The government would simply blame terrorists, with unknown origin with the promise to get them.
They have to be careful there though, people panic, people jump to conclusions, more conspiracy theories, and more innocent people become targets.
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So you're suggesting the Library of Congress would convince the US Military to start throwing about drone strikes on US soil against Civilian targets because "Trust us guys, Vamires and Wizards are for real."
I don't think that's going to fly.
Why would they need drones and hellfire missiles? The Librarians wouldn't need that against any lone wizard Kincaid may be the best but there are dozens of Special Forces snipers that could make the shot that took out Harry. And they'd go in to confirm the kill rather than leaving because they have the manpower to cordon off the area for the five or so minutes that it would take.
The US military is too blunt an instrument for this but the US Intelligence Agencies(which is the heading the Librarians would fall under) would be all over this and they are really scary.
Plus as Harry as said throughout the books, the Supernatural World needs secrecy because while mortals are weak individually, they outnumber the monsters by a huge factor. Without the Eye, Ethniu would have been the only survivor if they were out in the open when the helicopter squadron showed up. Casualties in a war would be horrendous but humanity took down the Black Court with torches and pitchforks. We've come a long way since then, the numbers advantage is even more heavily in our favor and the Supernatural really hasn't changed much.
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Why would they need drones and hellfire missiles? The Librarians wouldn't need that against any lone wizard Kincaid may be the best but there are dozens of Special Forces snipers that could make the shot that took out Harry.
Eb's protections are likely much better than Harry's; IIRC his robes have an effect like Harry's duster, but protecting his whole body, not just what the enchanted fabric covers. (And that sniper rifle would not have killed Harry if he'd had his duster on...)
Going after Eb in his home, I doubt drones would be enough. That farm's probably got wards against pretty much every possible form of attack.
Plus as Harry as said throughout the books, the Supernatural World needs secrecy because while mortals are weak individually, they outnumber the monsters by a huge factor.
That's true for most of the mortal-world-inhabiting factions, such as the Council and Vampire Courts. It's not quite universal, though...
Without the Eye, Ethniu would have been the only survivor if they were out in the open when the helicopter squadron showed up.
Not really, there were Immortals around, missiles won't kill them. And I'd expect top end wizard shields - eg Senior Council or really experienced Wardens - to block anything below nuclear level, given what Harry's shield has withstood when "powered up" (eg explosions at end of WN, Lily's metal-melting fire wave in CD). River Shoulders probably has equal or better power level, in a different way (diffusing the energy?) Etc.
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I was mostly referring to the invading Formor army when speaking of the helicopter attack but I'll stand by it while pointing out the exceptions.
Ethniu, Vadderung, Harry, Eb, Corb, Cristos, Marcone, Ivy and Ramirez can shield.( Ferro isn't there, neither is Martha Liberty)
Mab, Molly, Titania and the Erlking are gonna go down temporarily, there's just too much steel flying about.
Everybody else from either army is gonna be really, really dead.
So we go from, two armies with 15K or so total fighting to a couple of handfuls of the elite. And that's what'll happen in non ambush scenario of supernatural vs military. Even if the magical forces can lead off with hexes, enough soldiers with rifles will eventually overwhelm them Horrific casualty exchange rate, yes, but an aroused and motivated humanity wins.
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The big guns can simply retreat to the nevernever taking some of their people with them.
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I was mostly referring to the invading Formor army when speaking of the helicopter attack but I'll stand by it while pointing out the exceptions.
Ethniu, Vadderung, Harry, Eb, Corb, Cristos, Marcone, Ivy and Ramirez can shield.( Ferro isn't there, neither is Martha Liberty)
Mab, Molly, Titania and the Erlking are gonna go down temporarily, there's just too much steel flying about.
Everybody else from either army is gonna be really, really dead.
So we go from, two armies with 15K or so total fighting to a couple of handfuls of the elite. And that's what'll happen in non ambush scenario of supernatural vs military. Even if the magical forces can lead off with hexes, enough soldiers with rifles will eventually overwhelm them Horrific casualty exchange rate, yes, but an aroused and motivated humanity wins.
That sort of logic is why any hypothetical war with humanity is going to revolve around sneak attacks rather than straight brawling. All the fancy toys in the world don't matter if the bases are withering on the vine because of infrastructure collapse as one example.
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I actually suspect it's a bigger issue of the Black Staff's power VS whatever Raith has for protection. It didn't just stop his attacks, it stopped them from even manifesting. So say he tried to drop a satellite, didn't move. Massive volcano, misfired. Earthquake, hits the wrong area. It... Entropies his entropic(subtractive, deadly, whatever it is) magic. It specifically negates the blackstaff's ability. And Eb, being so wrapped up in who he is with it he never considered trying anything else. Old Wizards, brittle, stuck in their ways..
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That sort of logic is why any hypothetical war with humanity is going to revolve around sneak attacks rather than straight brawling. All the fancy toys in the world don't matter if the bases are withering on the vine because of infrastructure collapse as one example.
That's assuming only the supernatural side gets to sneak attack. Yes, the nations that dwell in the NeverNever are gonna have an advantage but the ones based in reality have security problems also. We invaded and occupied a foreign nation over 5000 deaths in a terrorist attack. If something like Chicago happened, thre Formor would be seeing some nuclear torpedoes headed their way and most other nations wouldn't bat an eye.
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That's assuming only the supernatural side gets to sneak attack. Yes, the nations that dwell in the NeverNever are gonna have an advantage but the ones based in reality have security problems also. We invaded and occupied a foreign nation over 5000 deaths in a terrorist attack. If something like Chicago happened, thre Formor would be seeing some nuclear torpedoes headed their way and most other nations wouldn't bat an eye.
If they know where to aim. War with the supernatural world start with an intelligence problem.
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If they know where to aim. War with the supernatural world start with an intelligence problem.
Agreed, and humanity is behind in that respect. But you can bet there will be a major effort to catch up and it won't take long. For starters all those "Black Cat" files will get major reviews and probably a Federal agency to coordinate and collate them. One with full access to spy satellites and facial tracking
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Agreed, and humanity is behind in that respect. But you can bet there will be a major effort to catch up and it won't take long. For starters all those "Black Cat" files will get major reviews and probably a Federal agency to coordinate and collate them. One with full access to spy satellites and facial tracking
How do you catch up with magic? Those black cat files are mostly about the lesser mooks. Those will be sacrificed to give humanity the idea that they have won.
Satellites can be sabotaged with magic and modern technology is vulnerable to magic.
But different groups will have a different level of success. Most will just hide and use their magic to frustrate efforts to find and identify them.
Disrupt society, compromise officials, target dangerous individuals, destroy information…
Why anything that even looks like an open battle? That is not the supernaturals strongest point.
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That's assuming only the supernatural side gets to sneak attack. Yes, the nations that dwell in the NeverNever are gonna have an advantage but the ones based in reality have security problems also. We invaded and occupied a foreign nation over 5000 deaths in a terrorist attack. If something like Chicago happened, thre Formor would be seeing some nuclear torpedoes headed their way and most other nations wouldn't bat an eye.
I think that the ones with more intel, literal precognition and a bunch of already subverted agents will have a slight advantage in terms of initiative when it comes to guerilla warfare.
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I think that the ones with more intel, literal precognition and a bunch of already subverted agents will have a slight advantage in terms of initiative when it comes to guerilla warfare.
I don't know, can they create a veil and appear invisible while in plain sight?
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That's assuming only the supernatural side gets to sneak attack. Yes, the nations that dwell in the NeverNever are gonna have an advantage but the ones based in reality have security problems also. We invaded and occupied a foreign nation over 5000 deaths in a terrorist attack. If something like Chicago happened, thre Formor would be seeing some nuclear torpedoes headed their way and most other nations wouldn't bat an eye.
I find it highly unlikely that a nuclear response would be used against the fomor even if their hidden cities were found.
Flooding the deep places of the ocean with Radioactive fallout is a fools game.
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I find it highly unlikely that a nuclear response would be used against the fomor even if their hidden cities were found.
Flooding the deep places of the ocean with Radioactive fallout is a fools game.
Admittedly it's a fools game that is probably going to happen in canon based on the prophecy with Corb.
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Admittedly it's a fools game that is probably going to happen in canon based on the prophecy with Corb.
Ah maybe Jim is just going to destroy everything in his last books. During changes he had so much fun destroying all Harry’s stuff so he decided to do it on an even bigger scale.
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Ah maybe Jim is just going to destroy everything in his last books. During changes he had so much fun destroying all Harry’s stuff so he decided to do it on an even bigger scale.
It's not an apocalypse without some hefty property damage after all. You can't just punch a hole in Australia and call it a day.
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It's not an apocalypse without some hefty property damage after all. You can't just punch a hole in Australia and call it a day.
We end up with a global nuclear winter where Mab rules supreme and small pockets of humans and less powerful supernaturals living in small pockets protected by magic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
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I find it highly unlikely that a nuclear response would be used against the fomor even if their hidden cities were found.
Flooding the deep places of the ocean with Radioactive fallout is a fools game.
Fallout is a problem of large bombs with aerial or ground bursts. We make much smaller bukes now that can be used on a tactical rather than strategic warfare level and are much cleaner.
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Fallout is a problem of large bombs with aerial or ground bursts. We make much smaller bukes now that can be used on a tactical rather than strategic warfare level and are much cleaner.
Much cleaner is still dirty enough especially if used on a grand scale. It just takes longer. But you won’t get a nuclear winter from a few bombs otherwise we already had one. You must think really big for that. Apocalyptically big.
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Admittedly it's a fools game that is probably going to happen in canon based on the prophecy with Corb.
It has already begun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAvjSfXx9I
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Admittedly it's a fools game that is probably going to happen in canon based on the prophecy with Corb.
I've more-or-less assumed that Harry is going to use Maggie's pentacle to make that one happen- maybe borrow from Morgan and the naagloshi.
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I've more-or-less assumed that Harry is going to use Maggie's pentacle to make that one happen- maybe borrow from Morgan and the naagloshi.
Not spectacular enough. Hydrogen bomb.
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Much cleaner is still dirty enough especially if used on a grand scale. It just takes longer. But you won’t get a nuclear winter from a few bombs otherwise we already had one. You must think really big for that. Apocalyptically big.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
We had these 50+ years ago. They were inaccurate by the military standards of the day(50 meter radius leeway, but I would want to be within that) but were meant to be used on the battlefield at ranges of 1-2 miles. That same warhead is now available as a variant for TV-guided bombs which are much more accurate and for mines and torpedoes.
When you consider they be used almost exclusively on enemy territory that is currently unusable by humanity anyway, I'd say they would definitely be an option used.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
We had these 50+ years ago. They were inaccurate by the military standards of the day(50 meter radius leeway, but I would want to be within that) but were meant to be used on the battlefield at ranges of 1-2 miles. That same warhead is now available as a variant for TV-guided bombs which are much more accurate and for mines and torpedoes.
When you consider they be used almost exclusively on enemy territory that is currently unusable by humanity anyway, I'd say they would definitely be an option used.
"great fear that some sergeant would start a nuclear war"
That thing has control issues. And what territory is both reachable with this weapon and unusable by humanity?
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That thing has control issues. And what territory is both reachable with this weapon and unusable by humanity?
That warhead is used in nuclear torpedoes. That's what humanity would use against the Formor.
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That warhead is used in nuclear torpedoes. That's what humanity would use against the Formor.
Any idea what would happen if you pollute the seas with nuclear waste? The Fomor would just retreat in the nevernever. They probably can handle radiation better than humans because of magical regeneration.