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Title: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: SkinsFanVJ on July 22, 2011, 03:01:07 PM
Welcome to the Ghost Story Book Club!!  This is intended to allow us to theorize and discuss as we read through Ghost Story.   Discuss whats happened and how amazing it is.  Discuss what you think is happening in the current set of chapters.  Or even theorize about what may be about to happen.   

The rules are simple...
You can discuss anything you want about Ghost Story, so long as it does not exceed the chapter limit set for this particular thread. 

Chapter Limit -- Do NOT discuss anything after chapter: 45
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: Mickey Finn on July 27, 2011, 03:37:04 PM
Sorry, guys, hadn't realized this was still locked.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: SkinsFanVJ on July 27, 2011, 03:43:14 PM
Thank you Mickey!!

Man, when I hit chapter 45 --- I COULD NOT STOP - LOL

The action was getting pretty intense.

I gotta say -- I am realllly loving seeing more of Lea!  She is a very fascinating and thoroughly frustrating character.  You just never know if she has good intentions or not. 

And I am really loving the back stories that have been given to us about Harry and Justin and HWWB.  I am quite curious how Harry ended actually in Lea's care though, we kinda got left right at the end of his encounter with HWWB.

I wonder if we are gonna have a big apocalyptic Bob vs Evil Bob showdown...now that would be awesome!!
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: test on July 27, 2011, 05:52:06 PM
i really like the HWWB stuff, looks like justin was working for HWWB. which raises some questions about elaine should be interesting.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: BadHumours on July 27, 2011, 09:23:04 PM
Did it bother anyone else that Harry asked Lea so many questions? She only promised him 3, but he asks like a million in between the ones he designates as the 'official' questions. Answering them all without at least quibbling about it seems very un-fairy-like. I suppose she has her own semi-scrutable-at-best reasons, but shouldn't it bother Harry?

Mostly, I'm bothered that Harry is so willing to ask questions willy-nilly, freeing Lea from any obligation to answer the questions he really wants answered. He should know better by now!
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: rbette1299 on July 27, 2011, 09:36:18 PM
All of those extra questions bothered me too. Lea doesn't give information for free. She let him ask those extra questions because she wanted to tell him something important with her answers. So her answers mean something. It would have been her typical style to shut him down and tell him he was exceeding the agreement. So what is in it for her? We know from the sword story that she plays the long game. What is her long game? We still do not know what she promised his mother. I think it wasn't just to watch his back. There will be something in it for her.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: JinElusion on July 28, 2011, 08:00:47 AM
I felt some way about the multiple questions. Lea could have been like a trickster genie who gets you to make wishes u never intended to and just shut down Harry after his third actual question. However, all the inbetween questions Harry asked were really subquestions to his original one. I don't know if Lea was obligated to answer the original question as fully as possible and thus allowed Harry to fish for a more full answer through questions. The whole Fae obligation is tricky and very hard to map out sometimes, but i think that is the point.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: taishojojo on July 28, 2011, 02:01:49 PM
Even from that conversation you should know that parity is an issue. Yes, Sidhe work literally, but, if she felt Harry were giving valuable information and her answering, "Yes, I'll answer another question." counts as a question then she'd owe Harry more. Also, she was thumbing her nose at greater powers, during that conversation, so she may have felt parity was maintained.

Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: BadHumours on July 28, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
She answers more than three questions because she has her reasons; no argument there.

But doesn't Harry wonder what they are? Why isn't he more careful? He's become much more comfortable with Lea over the past few books (which will probably come back to haunt him later), but he shouldn't be this complacent, even if being a ghost does make him maudlin.

I just found this scene disappointing.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: JinElusion on July 28, 2011, 04:30:36 PM
I see your point, especially with Harry getting more comfortable with Lea. But i also think the way Fae obligations work are sometimes literal but sometimes complicated. Harry being someone who has dealt with the Fea a lot may have sense of when an obligation can be stretched through technicality. Eh, i really dont know.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: Glorificus on July 28, 2011, 07:48:18 PM
Quote from: BadHumours on July 28, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
She answers more than three questions because she has her reasons; no argument there.

That bothered me, but I rationalize she answered them because they pertained to the main question Harry asked.

Quote from: BadHumours on July 28, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
But doesn't Harry wonder what they are? Why isn't he more careful?

I wondered that also.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: taishojojo on July 28, 2011, 09:35:29 PM
I commented in another thread about literalistic deals versus intentions.
The pertinent comment was "The universe knows" thats why in Grave Peril (?) Harry claimed/felt Lea's "well look around you its everywhere" was insufficient assitance for her part of their bargain but the universe or laws of magic begged to differ by her healing is concussion, later in the hospital.
Maybe as Winter Knight he now has a sense of these things.

Even Lea in their conversation in his grave states that she was being generous in her answers.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: FWHJames on August 20, 2011, 03:31:48 AM
Isn't there some fairy tales about a being that if you give them stories it gives them power?
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: dragonmastachief on August 24, 2011, 03:14:49 AM
(http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/whatcolor_iswhite.jpg)Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz. (http://www.wizards.com/magic/playmagic/whatcolorareyou.asp)
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: dragonmastachief on August 24, 2011, 03:19:24 AM
I wanted to cry when molly used her third eye for the first time in Murphy s house so to verify if Harry's ghost was really Harry but i couldn't because my wife was right next to me reading her book, so i closed the book and walked away to get a breather whew!! man that was close.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: dragonmastachief on August 24, 2011, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: Glorificus on July 28, 2011, 07:48:18 PM
That bothered me, but I rationalize she answered them because they pertained to the main question Harry asked.

I wondered that also.

Well the fea also said that she had a good mind to tell him what really happen and stop all this none sense, also if she knew what was really going on why was she so compelled to help molly in her training so viciously.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: mstorer3772 on August 24, 2011, 06:13:33 PM
Quote from: dragonmastachief on August 24, 2011, 04:24:19 PM
Well the fea also said that she had a good mind to tell him what really happen and stop all this none sense, also if she knew what was really going on why was she so compelled to help molly in her training so viciously.

It's also possible that the winter fae won't try to screw him over any more now that he's their Knight.  UNLIKELY, and quite possibly just the opposite... though anything that would prevent him from serving Mab properly would undoubtedly Invoke Her Wrath.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: Teck Loh on October 06, 2011, 05:38:29 AM
I have a question about Bob (what he did in Chapter 45).

Why did Bob bother to lie about collapsing the Way? Evil Bob's main task was to prevent Dresden from going through at all, right? So I really don't understand why Evil Bob wouldn't just go straight after Harry despite whatever Bob has done to the Way. So even if Harry couldn't collapse the Way after him, he still gets through and wreck the Corpsetaker's plans and that's the main issue, in my opinion.

Which makes Bob's lie in the chapter seems unnecessary...

But I am willing to hear alternative interpretations of that scene.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: Shecky on October 06, 2011, 10:13:37 AM
Quote from: Teck Loh on October 06, 2011, 05:38:29 AM
I have a question about Bob (what he did in Chapter 45).

Why did Bob bother to lie about collapsing the Way? Evil Bob's main task was to prevent Dresden from going through at all, right? So I really don't understand why Evil Bob wouldn't just go straight after Harry despite whatever Bob has done to the Way. So even if Harry couldn't collapse the Way after him, he still gets through and wreck the Corpsetaker's plans and that's the main issue, in my opinion.

Which makes Bob's lie in the chapter seems unnecessary...

But I am willing to hear alternative interpretations of that scene.

Because of exactly what Harry said. If EB had gone straight after Harry, he would've had our Bob on his back and Harry at his front - he wasn't foolish enough to try to take them both on at the same time. And, frankly, our Bob was likely a bigger threat to EB than Harry was. So EB had to take that threat out before he could focus on Harry.
Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: Duvodas on April 29, 2012, 03:38:33 PM
So Harry's in Aristides' hideout in plain sunlight (though he's hidden from the rays by the building), but before that it seemed as if the only place that'd hide him was his grave.

After the shooting at Murphy's house, instead of rushing back to her place before the sunrise, Harry goes and tries to find his grave, missing the sunlight by heartbeats and therefore almost re-dying.

What's up with that?


Title: Re: Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 36-45 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Post by: PerfectVeil on April 29, 2012, 11:41:31 PM
Um.. That kinda bothered me too.
I figured that maybe what had occurred in the building had changed it's relationship to him so that it was no longer *just* a warehouse, but something significant that would therefore be safe for him, like his grave was.
Sorry, but that was the best I could come up with.
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