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Title: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 14, 2020, 05:27:17 PM


Just got a notice from Amazon, "delay in shipping sorry for the inconvenience!"  CRAP!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Arjan on July 14, 2020, 05:35:31 PM

Just got a notice from Amazon, "delay in shipping sorry for the inconvenience!"  CRAP!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 14, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
Well you know hat that means

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Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 14, 2020, 05:56:28 PM
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Already knew that...  However there is still another book to go through so don't bake the wedding cake yet, she could still die.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 14, 2020, 05:59:13 PM

   Well, at least they are basically going to give me the book for free... ::) Great, but it may be sometime this week before it is shipped?   >:(  I'm Going up to Barns and Noble and find a quiet corner.. ::)
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Arjan on July 14, 2020, 06:45:49 PM
Got the ebook. Downloaded it when I woke up at night.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Arjan on July 14, 2020, 06:54:05 PM
Already knew that...  However there is still another book to go through so don't bake the wedding cake yet, she could still die.
And miss all the fun that wedding will bring? Which monster to invite? Which monster Harry can not not invite? Really, you don’t want to miss the wedding!

Don’t forget winter politics :)
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 14, 2020, 07:24:01 PM
Harry planning a wedding? He will lose interest after they have settled on the buffet selection, though he does have a suitable suit now, he won’t have to rent a tux and automatically lose the deposit.

To add insult to injury Mira I AM ON MY SECOND RE-THROUGH.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 14, 2020, 07:49:36 PM
 
Harry planning a wedding? He will lose interest after they have settled on the buffet selection, though he does have a suitable suit now, he won’t have to rent a tux and automatically lose the deposit.

To add insult to injury Mira I AM ON MY SECOND RE-THROUGH.

 :(  Well, I did run up to Barns and Noble, they don't have the comfie chairs now that the virus is here so I found a quiet corner with a table to stand and skimmed....  Honestly too much going on to get much satisfaction trying to read it that way.  I did get the highlights, but no context...  I was surprised it was as short as it was.   I agree with whoever said if he didn't know a second book was  coming along in two months he'd be pissed because it seems all set up.  I agree, that was my first impression, but that isn't worth much until I really do get the book and carefully read it. 

And Arjan?  Don't get too happy yet, there is another three or four hundred pages to go, and so far Eb, Thomas, and Murphy are still all alive, money is still on one or more of them dying...  Christmas Eve takes place after Battle Ground..
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Arjan on July 14, 2020, 09:13:17 PM

 :(  Well, I did run up to Barns and Noble, they don't have the comfie chairs now that the virus is here so I found a quiet corner with a table to stand and skimmed....  Honestly too much going on to get much satisfaction trying to read it that way.  I did get the highlights, but no context...  I was surprised it was as short as it was.   I agree with whoever said if he didn't know a second book was  coming along in two months he'd be pissed because it seems all set up.  I agree, that was my first impression, but that isn't worth much until I really do get the book and carefully read it. 

And Arjan?  Don't get too happy yet, there is another three or four hundred pages to go, and so far Eb, Thomas, and Murphy are still all alive, money is still on one or more of them dying...  Christmas Eve takes place after Battle Ground..
I think none of them will die this book and especially not Thomas. He is safely locked up and there is still a lot of story left for him. There must be a woj somewhere that his memories of their mother will come up at some time.

I do think that Ebenezer will survive this book but he is damaged. His anger issues make him vulnerable and that is not good.

And Karrin? I think Jim wants to make Karrin work as a charcter. He is not finished with her.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 14, 2020, 09:33:20 PM
I think none of them will die this book and especially not Thomas. He is safely locked up and there is still a lot of story left for him. There must be a woj somewhere that his memories of their mother will come up at some time.

I do think that Ebenezer will survive this book but he is damaged. His anger issues make him vulnerable and that is not good.

And Karrin? I think Jim wants to make Karrin work as a charcter. He is not finished with her.

We shall see...  Me fears the next book is going to throw us for a loop.. 
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Arjan on July 14, 2020, 09:45:33 PM
We shall see...  Me fears the next book is going to throw up for a loop..
Locking up a titan? I do not think Jim can resist that. There will be fallout but he will succeed.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 14, 2020, 10:00:10 PM
Locking up a titan? I do not think Jim can resist that. There will be fallout but he will succeed.

  Well, we shall see.. It is one thing I predicted, if he cannot succeed, then it's Darkhallow..   However
given how the Christmas Eve story went, it will be messy and not in a good way..  Harry was still weeping over it.

I feel like I want to weep! :(  Have had a couple of hard days, worked real hard to get everything done so I could sit down and chill while the heat advisory raged outside and read...  It didn't happen.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Grifter on July 15, 2020, 12:59:46 AM
Yeah I didn't even bother with a hardcover this time.  Not worth the risk and I got the download at midnight.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: SerScot on July 15, 2020, 01:02:40 AM
We ordered both books at the same time from Amazon.  Amazon is now saying Peace Talks will ship in October...

Anyone else have this problem?

Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Grifter on July 15, 2020, 01:04:42 AM
We ordered both books at the same time from Amazon.  Amazon is now saying Peace Talks will ship in October...

Anyone else have this problem?
That's weird.  The other is coming out in September, right?  So it's not even like they're delaying to bundle.  I wonder if it's higher demand than they expected or what...
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 15, 2020, 03:26:29 AM
We ordered both books at the same time from Amazon.  Amazon is now saying Peace Talks will ship in October...

Anyone else have this problem?
  Call customer service and BITCH big time!   I did, I was very upset, I also apologized to the worker who took the call, because I didn't want him to think I was bitching at him.  He understood and said he didn't blame me for being pissed, however a remedy was above his pay grade and passed me on to a supervisor.   She gave me a lot of double talk which I didn't understand claiming it wasn't Amazon's fault, then again maybe it was, because she then gave me a $20.00 credit which basically paid for the book.  I just got notice late tonight that it should be here tomorrow, I am not going to hold my breath. 

SerScot it sounds like they mixed something up, and usually Amazon is pretty good about making things right if they screwed up, so call customer service.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Wolfeyes on July 15, 2020, 04:11:42 AM
Weird, my Amazon copy shipped right on time and came in today. I wonder if it's dependent on what country you're in?

Agree that customer service is worth knocking up. They've been pretty good for me about delays.

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Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 15, 2020, 10:32:44 AM
Weird, my Amazon copy shipped right on time and came in today. I wonder if it's dependent on what country you're in?

Agree that customer service is worth knocking up. They've been pretty good for me about delays.

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  I live more or less in the center of the United States..  So it could have been COVID, or there were
some severe thunderstorms this past weekend near me there were some power outages and damage.   It might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, but Amazon never mentioned those things as excuses.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Conspiracy Theorist on July 15, 2020, 11:17:39 AM
NOT FAIR!!!!!!
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Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Arjan on July 15, 2020, 11:21:51 AM
  I live more or less in the center of the United States..  So it could have been COVID, or there were
some severe thunderstorms this past weekend near me there were some power outages and damage.   It might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that Amazon nothing about either.
Yeah try to find a natural explanation, that is what normal humans do.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 15, 2020, 01:13:34 PM
Yeah try to find a natural explanation, that is what normal humans do.

 I know one thing I shouldn't try and post at five in the morning on a couple swallows of coffee! 
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: SerScot on July 15, 2020, 06:09:15 PM
So I called Amazon Customer Service and they said USPS lost the order and they are resending... in October.  The guy on the line is really nice but 4 months to replace a lost book?  That makes no sense, at all.  He keeps apologizing and offering a refund.  I just want the book.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: SerScot on July 15, 2020, 06:23:15 PM
Now they say I should get it next week.  :)
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: BrainFireBob on July 15, 2020, 06:24:38 PM
2:1, they were putting you on a list for the next one at first. October makes sense
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Fineous on July 15, 2020, 09:00:09 PM
Hey, I've been working in the book industry for 32 years and can give you some insights into what is probably going on.

Penguin Books, the publisher, has run out of copies.  There is a huge paper shortage in the US right now, cause by Corona and Trumps trade deals, which is making it much harder to physically print things right now.  My guess would be that Amazon ran out of copies, reordered from Penguin, and Penguin doesn't have any more, and has decided to delay a bit to allocate their supplies of paper to other new books before doing a second print run of Peace Talks.

Depending on where you are in the United States, if you have an independent bookstore near you, I would recommend going to them.  Most Indies order from a distributor called Ingram Books, and they still have copies left in most of their US warehouses. If you go there they could order you a copy and have it within a couple of days.
Otherwise, I would guess you're out of luck till October.

Amazon cuts their profits so fine, that the 5 or so % difference in their cost from ordering from Ingram vs direct from Penguin would make them unable to ever order from them, but Indies can't operate that way, so they would be happy to do it for you.

Edit- Though Amazon currently says they have it in stock, so not sure what the heck is going on there...
Edit again - Now when I checked Penguin again, it is listed as back in stock. Probably why you guys got notifications that you are getting it after all.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: forumghost on July 15, 2020, 11:55:24 PM
Personally I think that not getting Peace Talks right away is a blessing in disguise. Once you read it, you'll realize that it's only the first half of a Book and be glad you don't have to wait as long as everyone else for the other half.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Wolfeyes on July 16, 2020, 02:40:14 AM
Personally I think that not getting Peace Talks right away is a blessing in disguise. Once you read it, you'll realize that it's only the first half of a Book and be glad you don't have to wait as long as everyone else for the other half.

This is a valid way of looking at it, if you don't have a copy atm.

But then again, I also debated giving my copy to my dad since his copy was delayed and I was still on GS for my reread, just so I'd have less wait time...an that lasted until I actually got the copy. Now it's just an excuse to read faster so I can lend to my dad and get it back to reread before BG  ::)
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Fineous on July 16, 2020, 03:16:52 AM
Yeah, Battle Ground doesn't deserve to be it's own book, but Peace Talks part 2 would have broken the naming convention. I definitely would have been annoyed at the ending of I'd had to wait 2 more months. 😝
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Grifter on July 16, 2020, 04:01:05 AM
I'm of the opinion that they should have just left it as one book. Sure, the (purportedly) combined 784 pages would set a Dresden page count record, but Wise Man's Fear was 994 and it wasn't too big. Several of Martin's books are that length or longer.

That being said, I get it, it's a business, and the publisher needs to make up for time and investment. It's just too much on the heels of stretching American Gods into multiple seasons when it could have been one, and splitting the Final Fantasy remake up into multiple games.

I figured it'd be more like Avengers IW and Endgame, where each one is it's own story.  But it's just the one.

I'm just glad Butcher insisted they be released in short order so that we wouldn't have to wait a year. 
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: forumghost on July 16, 2020, 04:15:42 AM
I'm of the opinion that they should have just left it as one book. Sure, the (purportedly) combined 784 pages would set a Dresden page count record, but Wise Man's Fear was 994 and it wasn't too big. Several of Martin's books are that length or longer.

That being said, I get it, it's a business, and the publisher needs to make up for time and investment. It's just too much on the heels of stretching American Gods into multiple seasons when it could have been one, and splitting the Final Fantasy remake up into multiple games.

I figured it'd be more like Avengers IW and Endgame, where each one is it's own story.  But it's just the one.

I'm just glad Butcher insisted they be released in short order so that we wouldn't have to wait a year. 

Pretty much how I feel, I just hope it isn't the start of a trend.

I already dropped Sanderson because of every book being split into pieces lately, If other authors start doing it to I'll have nothing to read at all.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Grifter on July 16, 2020, 04:50:24 AM
Pretty much how I feel, I just hope it isn't the start of a trend.

I already dropped Sanderson because of every book being split into pieces lately, If other authors start doing it to I'll have nothing to read at all.
I couldn't quite get into Sanderson. Serack likes him and recommended him, but I didn't like the third book in the Mistborn series and I couldn't get into the Stormlight series.

I figure this is probably a one-off occasion for Butcher, but I guess we'll see. 
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Fineous on July 16, 2020, 05:43:57 AM
Wow, really? Sorry if this is heresy here, but I actually like him a bit more than Jim, though I do love Jim a lot. But Sanderson's Cosmere is just the most impressive bit of world building I have ever come across in my life. It almost blows Tolkien out of the water in terms of its depth and attention to detail.

Every one of his books is set in the same universe, the magic is different and follows different rules on each of his worlds, because God split itself into 16 different shards, each being an aspect of its 'personality' with the magic in the world being related to the shard that ended up on that world. In Mistborn there were 2 shards, Preservation and Ruin, 2 diametrically opposed shards that cause the conflict through their fighting. In the Stormlight series there were originally 2 shards, Cultivation and Honor, but Honor was shattered by the Shard that basically got all the negative emotions of God, called Odium, who has been trying to destroy the Shards for some reason.

There is a network of short stories and novellas, 11 novels (can't remember the exact amount right now. 6 I think in the Mistborn series, 3 with the 4th on the way in the Stormlight series, Elantris, and War breaker. I think that is all of them.) and a series of graphic novels. There is also some unpublished stuff in Brigham Young University library that isn't very good, according to Sanderson, because it is the first stuff he wrote, but fills in more gaps in the cosmology of the universe.

I would highly recommend giving it another shot, and/or visiting the fan site called The Coppermind where sleuths do much the same stuff as here, and try to put the pieces together.
Edit - correcting some of my comma splicing. Sorry.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 16, 2020, 05:48:01 AM
Now they say I should get it next week.  :)


I got mine today :)  Yeah, bitch long enough and hard enough at Amazon and if your cause is just they will try to make it right.  Hopefully there aren't too many butt holes that spoil it for everyone by abusing that sentiment. 
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Bad Alias on July 16, 2020, 09:10:43 PM
   Well, at least they are basically going to give me the book for free... ::) Great, but it may be sometime this week before it is shipped?   >:(  I'm Going up to Barns and Noble and find a quiet corner.. ::)
Back before I finished school, I read quite a few books that way.

I had no problems with Amazon. I had problem's with my mom (whose house me and my siblings send packages to in order to avoid porch pirates). Long story short, she ignored me and cost me reading time which translates to sleep time when it's a new book that I'm not starting on the beginning of a weekend. Sleep time is very important to me. Fortunately she wasn't home when I picked it up, and I didn't see her until I had time to cool off. Took me about nine to ten hours to finish, with breaks.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Grifter on July 16, 2020, 09:20:52 PM
Wow, really? Sorry if this is heresy here, but I actually like him a bit more than Jim, though I do love Jim a lot. But Sanderson's Cosmere is just the most impressive bit of world building I have ever come across in my life. It almost blows Tolkien out of the water in terms of its depth and attention to detail.

Every one of his books is set in the same universe, the magic is different and follows different rules on each of his worlds, because God split itself into 16 different shards, each being an aspect of its 'personality' with the magic in the world being related to the shard that ended up on that world. In Mistborn there were 2 shards, Preservation and Ruin, 2 diametrically opposed shards that cause the conflict through their fighting. In the Stormlight series there were originally 2 shards, Cultivation and Honor, but Honor was shattered by the Shard that basically got all the negative emotions of God, called Odium, who has been trying to destroy the Shards for some reason.

There is a network of short stories and novellas, 11 novels (can't remember the exact amount right now. 6 I think in the Mistborn series, 3 with the 4th on the way in the Stormlight series, Elantris, and War breaker. I think that is all of them.) and a series of graphic novels. There is also some unpublished stuff in Brigham Young University library that isn't very good, according to Sanderson, because it is the first stuff he wrote, but fills in more gaps in the cosmology of the universe.

I would highly recommend giving it another shot, and/or visiting the fan site called The Coppermind where sleuths do much the same stuff as here, and try to put the pieces together.
Edit - correcting some of my comma splicing. Sorry.
I'm not sure why, but his stuff just didn't resonate with me.  I'll probably give it another try at some point, but I'm not sure if it'll change.  I'm not a huge fan of too many narrators/viewpoints, so I've struggled with others like Martin as well.
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Mira on July 16, 2020, 09:24:44 PM
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Back before I finished school, I read quite a few books that way.

That was one of the ways I researched my husband's prostate cancer..  Back in the day, comfortable chairs and low tables, they didn't care if you had a stack of books in front of you and read for hours..
Title: Re: NOT FAIR!!!!!!
Post by: Bad Alias on July 17, 2020, 03:47:43 AM
More than once I read most of a book of my brother's or sister's over a break or long weekend, and finish it at the Barnes & Noble a few blocks from my apartment.

I remember one time I was approached because they were closing soon, so they asked me to leave. I said I've only got x pages left. The employee said something like oh, you can finish that before we close.

Honestly, it was a really good way to prevent me from consuming a book in one or two sittings. I only had a few hours a day to read.