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DF Spoilers / Re: Question of the day.
« on: February 10, 2022, 11:43:02 AM »
Right but my point and theory is Malcolm works for Uriel possibly in the same department as Jack Murphy and Sir Stuart. Shade remnants whose souls aren't quite done.

I doubt it because Malcolm isn't a suicide, unless Margaret also works for him and they can be together. 

1922
DF Spoilers / Re: Question of the day.
« on: February 10, 2022, 06:08:35 AM »
Everybody assumes she met Malcolm after the meeting, when the safer assumption might be to assume she met him as a result of the meeting. Holding open the possibility that meeting him was what broke her free of Raith. I've always thought the possibility that she was pregnant when she ran was high. By the time she became pregnant she had fallen in love with Malcolm.  Since she knew when the baby had to be born to become a Starborn she entered Faerie and manipulated her time there to make sure the pregnancy ended at the right moment.

I have to go back and read the passage, but what I remember is Eb had dinner with Raith and Margaret from time to time..  Something a bit more casual than business, observing how Eb and Margaret interacted tipped Arianna off that they were father and daughter. Why would Margaret have met Malcolm as a result of having dinner with her father, Lord Raith, and Arianna?

Lash in White Night tells Harry that his mother found the strength to leave Lord Raith for a reason.
That reason was Malcolm, she had fallen in love with him and because of his goodness decided to conceive a star child with him.  In the soul gaze with Thomas when he talks Margaret, she says she is sorry for the burden she and Malcolm placed on him.  In his dream conversation with Malcolm I believe it was in Dead Beat, Malcolm says pretty much the same thing, but wouldn't elaborate on what he meant.  No, it was a pre-planned pregnancy and Malcolm was very much in on the pre-planning.

1923
DF Spoilers / Re: Question of the day.
« on: February 09, 2022, 09:34:12 PM »
I think Margaret was the source of the plan. In Changes Butcher has Eb tell Harry about a meeting with Raith, Arianna Ortega, Himself and Margaret.

Yes, but it isn't until she meets and hooks up with Malcolm that she makes her decision, which is after the above meeting in Changes.  Which makes Eb's violent reaction to learning about Thomas in Peace Talks kind of weird..  Had he no clue at all that Margaret and Raith might have been sleeping together?

1924
DF Spoilers / Re: Question of the day.
« on: February 09, 2022, 02:44:40 PM »


  I also think the whole point is that Margaret didn't go along with the Council's plan to create their own starborn weapon until she met Malcolm.  This was her way of foiling their plans, Harry just didn't inherit his goodness, he also inherited his independence. 

1925
DF Spoilers / Re: Question of the day.
« on: February 09, 2022, 12:16:28 PM »

Malcolm is the reason Harry won't be and isn't like the other starborn we have seen.  It is repeatedly stated, he has his father's heart.

1926
DF Spoilers / Re: Question of the day.
« on: February 09, 2022, 05:46:07 AM »
Was Malcolm a Scion of an Angel? Eb appears to have seen him under the sight.That is a weird description, like something you would say about a saint.  Malcolm is also the only character that speaks to Harry from the afterlife.

I've often thought that, or more in the line of Sir Galahad, the purest and noblest knight of the round table.

1927
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: February 08, 2022, 07:44:09 PM »
She could schedule some time for her direct vassal, the Winter Knight to put it at the bottom level of Demonreach and use all her power to aid in the binding. If Bob could hold the circle for a Titan, Mab can surely hold a Fallen.

She doesn't have to do that, as long as Harry or anyone else directly touches the coin, it can be locked away in a cell in maximum security on Demonreach.  I don't think binding of any kind is needed.  However having said that, more information is needed as to how the coins that were sent to the Vatican got back in circulation again.

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She can only keep it out of circulation for some time. But it represents power. She might be able to use it as a bargaining chip in some way.
Only if she was pulling a double cross of come kind, she cannot use it to bargain with, the last thing she wants is for Namshiel to be loose on the world once again.

1928
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: February 08, 2022, 04:02:37 PM »
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If it was Namshiel, if it is, Mab would REALLY want that coin giving Marcone something significant to bargain with.

What on earth would Mab have to offer Marcone?  He now has a fallen angel at his back, a wizard to boot, Marcone is about power, all about power.. 

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A single Denarian is no match for Mab even Marcone/Namshiel especially now Mab knows, and Marcone would rather negotiate, especially if it gets him the power and immortality he wants without ties to Namshiel or Mab.

I disagree, of Mab could easily have taken on one of the Fallen, she would have taken out Andriel.  She didn't, instead she went for an elaborate plan to diminish Nic, but not kill him, thus releasing the coin to go to someone else. 

1929
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: February 08, 2022, 07:13:30 AM »


  In any case taking up Namshiel's coin might be the biggest mistake Marcone has ever made. 
Mab says this in Small Favor page 402;
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"Nicodemus and his ilk were clearly in violation of my Accords, and obviously planning to abuse them to further his ambition.  That is reason enough to see his designs disrupted.  And among the Fallen was one with much to answer for to me, personally, for its an attack upon my home."
Harry says Hell Fire was used on Arctis Tor, and on page 403, Thorned Namshiel is mentioned, and Mab loses it..  In her rage she says;
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"I am Sidhe,"she hissed.  "I am Queen of Air and Darkness.  I am Mab." Her chin lifted, her eyes wide and white around the rippling colors of her irises---utterly insane. And I repay my debts, mortal.  All of them."
It may take a while, but revenge is a dish best served cold, she is the Winter Queen, so Thorny will pay at some point and Marcone with him. 

1930
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: February 07, 2022, 08:24:15 PM »
It really doesn't matter who knows as long as Mab does.  And she can't do anything about it since, as far as I know, the coins can't be destroyed. So keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer. But you can be sure that Uriel knows.

Oh but when it comes to revenge, Mab has her ways, as Nic found out.  She might not be able to directly affect Namshiel, but she can make Marcone pay big time for taking up the coin.





1931
DF Spoilers / Re: Fairy Godmothers
« on: February 07, 2022, 07:13:29 PM »
Torturing Harry within the confines of the story seems more his gig. Not with any random thing we can come up with.

Marcone might fit the Kringle mantle, as leader of the Wild Hunt, but he does not fit the Santa mantle as the great gift-giver at this time. He'd have to change too.

Then again, the classic "mob-boss/godfather" modal is someone offers and hands out protection and gifts to those who are weak, kind of Kringle like.  In turn they are loyal and pay tribute in various ways, except if you get on the "naughty" list your can get a hell of a lot worse than a little coal in your sock.

1932
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: February 07, 2022, 06:51:00 PM »
“Prove it,” I said. “Sir Baron.” Marcone eyed me. Then glanced past me to the Queen of Air and Darkness. Mab’s eyebrow went up so far that it threatened the line of her skull. Then she said, as if to Marcone, “Much is explained.”

Butcher, Jim. Battle Ground (Dresden Files) (p. 385). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

Oh cleverly written, on one hand a flashing neon sign, "MAB KNOWS!"  On the other hand vague enough to give Jim wiggle room down the line.
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Probably everyone in the room.

Harry is about as subtle as a bull in a China shop even when trying- and I doubt he was trying that hard since, y'know, fuck Marcone.

Not quite, if Harry wanted to advertise, he would have, with no subtlety.. I imagine Vadderung knows, the Archive/Ivy, but I doubt the others in the room know.  It is also possible that Molly knows because of her closeness to Harry, Mab, and because she is her father's daughter.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: February 06, 2022, 09:47:06 PM »
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She knows.  Harry told her in BG.

I don't remember that, but I will take your word for it.  Point is, does Marcone know she knows, and does he know the implications of it?  He knows a little of her taste for revenge, and that she plays a mean four dimensional game of chess.  Hmmm... I wonder if that is why she seemed to take satisfaction in Harry getting Marcone's castle and making him squirm just a bit?  Could there be a connection somehow with why she wants Harry to marry Lara? Admittedly I don't see one, but with Mab you never know.

1934
DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: February 06, 2022, 05:28:29 PM »
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Remember Nicky was owed a favour by Mab before and during Proven Guilty, so wouldn’t the attack by the Denarians have erased that? It confirmed Nicky wasn’t in control of all the Denarians to Mab, as the favour still stood until Skin Game. Harry further confirmed this in Battle Ground with Namshiel.

Mab has a bone to pick with Namshiel for using Hell Fire on Arctis Tor, she states it clearly in Small Favor.  Wonder how she is going to react to Marcone once she finds out he has the coin.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Fairy Godmothers
« on: February 05, 2022, 10:29:06 PM »
Sanya isn't the only person to put down a Coin. Harry did it also. Marcone has the will to match theirs, the only question is would it be a situation that warrants it. So far his only saving grace is his refusal to harm innocent children.

You have to believe Marcone has seen John Wick. Mouse and probably anyone living at the Carpenter are off limits unless the the final showdown is already on.

No, Harry never accepted the coin, though Lasciel tried very hard for him to do it.  He rejected and changed her shadow which was in his head which is harder, Harry is the only one or one of the only ones according to Michael to do it, that is why he was gifted with Soul Fire by Uriel.

My reference to Mouse is a parody of the movie, "The Godfather."  I think that was the reference that C.T. was making about Marcone being a godfather.. I was thinking of the famous scene where the singer wakes up to find the head of a beloved racehorse in his bed.

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