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1906
DF Spoilers / Re: DR in perspective? theory
« on: September 02, 2021, 05:44:28 PM »
Might find this interesting.  Found in on the web

The number 12 signifies perfection of government or rule. According to Bible scholars, 12 is the product of 3, which signifies the divine, and 4, which signifies the earthly. The heavenly bodies are also connected to the number 12 since the stars pass through the 12 signs of the zodiac in their heavenly procession. The number 12 has further significance, as it represents authority, appointment and completeness. The number 666 is used to represent the devil and hell, whereas 12, 12, 12 is believed to signify God and heaven. The number 12 is also associated with the government of the cosmos.

Perhaps the 12 sets of sections of 12 stairways and 12 steps in a clue about an Angel being involved with Demon Reach?

As opposed to Mac's Place where everything adds up to 13, and if we are all correct, Mac is an ex-angel if not an angel.

1907
DF Spoilers / Re: A Way to Demonreach
« on: September 01, 2021, 04:00:56 AM »
Yeah, that's a good point about the old boats.  A hex that took out all the lights and cars in Chicago but boats are okay is kinda too convenient for the plot.

Yeah, and unless they are sail boats or paddle boats, marine motors are still motors unless they were all supernaturally shielded like Murphy's motorcycle.. Another pretty convenient way to let our crippled heroine get around.

1908
DF Spoilers / Re: Lashiel's distorted messages
« on: September 01, 2021, 03:56:11 AM »
There was no prison before OG Merlin built it, but the island is not the exact same as the prison.  Merlin had somewhere to stand while making the prison.  Beyond that, the genus loci probably also existed in some much more limited form, hence the ice age injury from the glacier.
You're right, it gets confusing, there was a spit of sand and some trees.. Merlin does use a Way to get there.. Hmm...Maybe he taught Rashid? 

Alfred is the island; page 171 Cold Days Bob explains to Harry.
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"Because that spirit is the island, Harry.  The spells, the Well, the physical island,does not existoutside this island.  It has no ability to reach beyond itself.  The attack is coming from outside the prison.  That is why it needs a Warden in the first place."

1909
DF Spoilers / Re: Demonreach, Ley lines, and Harry's connection
« on: September 01, 2021, 03:38:34 AM »
Probably most genus loci are not all that self aware.  They don't think in language as we know it.  Before Harry mentions it, it doesn't occur to the genus loci that there is a distinction between itself and the prison.

Harry is doing for Alfred what he did for Bob and personifying him (likely giving out a sliver of free will in the process; Uriel was right about mortals throwing Names around).

 Alfred is more than a mere Genius Loci,  he is an Intellectus..

Turn Coat page 278 Harry tells Morgan about his contact with Alfred and here is Morgan's response.

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"Merciful God,"he said.  "Intellectus."
I felt my eyebrows go up.  "You're kidding."
Molly muttered a couple of candles to light so that we could see each other clearlyl
"Intell-whatsis?" she asked me.

"Intellectus," I said.  "Um.  It's a mode of existence for a very few rare and powerful
supernatural beings--angels have it.  I'm willing to bet old Mother Winter and Mother Summer have it. For beings with intellectus, all reality exists in one piece, one place, one moment, and they can look at the whole thing.  They don't seek or aquire knowledge.  They just know things.  They see the entire picture."

There is a hell of a lot more to it as Morgan goes on to explain to Molly, but it's getting late and I don't feel like copying another page and a half.

1910
DF Spoilers / Re: A Way to Demonreach
« on: September 01, 2021, 03:09:24 AM »


  I think it isn't a matter of Harry knowing a Way to and from the island.  With his mother's jewel he should be able to find one, I think it is more of a matter of does he want to if he has alternative means?  In Turn Coat Rashid strongly hints that for most those Ways should be avoided.  If I remember rightly when Peabody arrived though the Way on the island didn't a bunch of giant spiders arrive with him?  Harry understands this, because you'd think if he really wanted off the island those months after Cold Days when Mab kept him incommunicado for the most part, he would have taken one of them, he had his mother's jewel to show the Way... But then again, Mab wouldn't have been happy about that at all.

1911
DF Spoilers / Re: Lashiel's distorted messages
« on: August 31, 2021, 09:51:35 PM »
I don't think your snarky.  Nor is my word the final one.  But I argue hard, although it doesn't always serve me well.

I know you argue hard, I do as well and enjoy it.  But here is what is weird about that sentence, Alfred said "IT BARGAINED." "With what?" "YOUR LIFE, WARDEN."

So why exactly was Boney bargaining?  Was she begging for Harry's life? Or did she want him dead? I mean after all the trouble Mab and Alfred went to, I don't think they'd want Harry dead.  \

Oh and one more thing, reading the whole chapter, there was no island before Merlin built it, five times in five different time zones, dimensions, and all at the same time...

1912
DF Spoilers / Re: Demonreach, Ley lines, and Harry's connection
« on: August 31, 2021, 07:30:42 PM »
Yep.  Hard to build a prison when there’s nowhere to stand.  ;D

What is interesting though is Alfred.  He says in Skin Game page 5 after  Harry had just called him Alfred for the first time.

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The enormous spirit considered that."I AM THE ISLAND."
"Well, yes,"I said, gathering myself to my feet. "It's spirit. Its genius loci"
" AND I AM ALSO SEPARATE FROM THE ISLAND.  A VESSEL."

So what is Alfred trying to say?  Either he doesn't understand what a genius loci is, or he is
something else.  When he says he is a vessel, does he mean as I suspect that perhaps he is the well from which all that dark power emanates as a ley line?

1913
DF Spoilers / Re: Lashiel's distorted messages
« on: August 31, 2021, 07:19:20 PM »
I don't write the books, I just read them and the text says bargained. How your imagination interprets them is up to you.

Where does it say that exactly?  I am not trying to be snarky or doubt you, I have a vague memory of it, but cannot find the text for context.

1914
DF Spoilers / Re: Lashiel's distorted messages
« on: August 31, 2021, 05:52:28 PM »
@Mira
However childlike she may seem, is she really?  She bargained with Demonreach and Mab to hide her very existence from Harry..

Did she?  Or did they advise her that would be best.  Her "Id" father may have did the bargaining for her, after all he knows Harry best and knew that knowledge of her existence would freak him
out and he'd seek a "cranial abortion" if he could get one. 

1915
DF Spoilers / Re: Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
« on: August 31, 2021, 10:07:27 AM »
His arm quivered for a second, and then he lowered his eyelids until they were almost closed. A moment later he very, very slowly relaxed his arm, allowing me to breathe again. My throat burned, but air came in, and I wheezed for a second or two while he stepped back from me.

I glared up at him and debated slamming him through one of those Corinthian columns by way of objecting to being manhandled. But I decided that I didn’t want to piss him off.

Nicodemus’s lips moved, but an entirely different voice issued from them—something musical, lyrical, and androgynous. “At least it has some survival instinct.”

Or to an fallen angel, humans are merely "its" not worth calling a "he" or a "she."  Calling Harry an "it" in this case says he is beneath contempt.

1916
DF Spoilers / Re: Who do you think the Vampires took from Eb?
« on: August 31, 2021, 10:01:50 AM »
It almost must be on, or near a mountain.  Didn't Langtry say "go back to your mountain" to him?

I don't remember that, but rereading the bit in Turn Coat when Harry explains he fought the Skinwalker not just to protect Molly and Morgan but to save Thomas... Eb goes on a tangent
against them, trust was his biggest issue, mainly he says, paraphrasing "you cannot trust a creature who in the end only sees you as food."  So they may have took something he loved from him, but it sounds like betrayal was a huge part of it from that.

1917
DF Spoilers / Re: Demonreach, Ley lines, and Harry's connection
« on: August 31, 2021, 09:56:40 AM »
The ice age glacier gave Alfred his limp, not the Gatekeeper.  You might be thinking of that WoJ.  The genus loci likely existed before the prison was constructed, so it's not clear that OG Merlin went that far back in time.

Could be, so if that is true then the island existed before Merlin decided to turn it into a prison for evil monsters and gods.

1918
DF Spoilers / Re: Demonreach, Ley lines, and Harry's connection
« on: August 31, 2021, 03:30:24 AM »
five times at the same time. He interconnected through multiverse.. he literally built it in different realities and tied them together from the description.

Yup, and that is part of the reason why it doesn't show up on maps.  I do remember a reference to the ice ages and the island, but am not sure if it is in the books or it is a WOJ.  The connection has to do with why Alfred has a limp if I remember correctly.

1919
DF Spoilers / Re: Who do you think the Vampires took from Eb?
« on: August 31, 2021, 03:25:57 AM »
Ozarks are in southern part of Missouri and Northern part of Arkansas. They do extend into MO, OK, AR, and a small piece of Kansas.

Actually Eb's farm is in;
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McCoy lives and has lived on a farm in Hog Hollow, Missouri, for at least a couple of centuries.[3] He keeps horses[6] and possibly sheep.[7]

1920
DF Spoilers / Re: Lashiel's distorted messages
« on: August 31, 2021, 03:14:59 AM »
I think you missed the point I was trying to make.  Lash has a 3 book arc.  Why was she there, what was the arc of her character to accomplish?  The answer is Bonea. What my WAG suggests is that Bonea is the source of the knowledge that Harry needs to save himself.  Bonea is a messenger.  She may tell Harry what no one else will when the time comes. YMMV

At the moment though that is a bit of a stretch, she has a lot of maturing to do.  At the moment she may have at her fingertips every pancake recipe known to man, but she also thinks milk is alive because it moves in the glass when you pour it.

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