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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Smaug with OCD on July 30, 2020, 03:38:34 AM
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I've seen several posts that claim Mirror Mirror will come directly after Battle Grounds. And, given what is implied to happen in the next book I can't help but feel the timing is extremely poor. If magic is revealed to mortals, wouldn't it be better to see the implications of that, rather than the parallel reality where Dresden made a different Choice?
Is it true that Mirror Mirror is next? Why the... I don't want to use the word distraction, but it seems appropriate while unaware of the finer details...? Thoughts?
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Power is out all across the city. My guess is that cameras will be out of commission. So it's going to be a very dark night with explosions and screams and people sheltering inside. And come the morning, there will be no trace of any of the participants. Just damage and victims and rumors with very little evidence.
And by the end of next day, the story on the news will be about the city water supply being tainted with a drug previously known in the streets as ThreeEye, which caused a lot of hallucinations. The damage will have been caused by those hit with higher doses that rampaged through the city, and by the drug dealers that fanned the flames.
And they'll hope that no-one in the Dresdenverse watched Batman Begins.
Who knows, maybe we'll even get a mention of Larry Fowler blaming Harry. Imagine how that would feel, having saved the city, only to have the citizens think he's involved because he's been stoking the 'supernatural' subculture for years, which encouraged these poor youngsters to try this supposed magical drug. Just thank goodness the effects wore off so quickly without side effects.
It's not like Chicago in the Dresdenverse isn't ready and willing to accept the lies.
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I have been wondering about this a bit. Each book in the series serves a purpose in the greater story, and each book has a somewhat strategic placement because of that. Each book has opened the doorway for new possibilities and developed things further (although some do this better than others). Some are more pivotal, some less so.
My theory is that Mirror Mirror will be about teaching Harry that he had to make the choices he has made, as he will be feeling intense loss and questioning himself. Somewhat like Ghost Story perhaps, but through a different lens. But like Ghost Story, it will also reveal a larger part of the cosmology.
And I wonder how much time will have passed by the time he returns? No time at all wouldn't be very interesting. I'd say he comes a few months later at least. If not a year.
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I'd guess Harry will have a heck of a lot of regrets following Battle Ground.
Mirror Mirror could be like It's a Wonderful Life -- Harry's chance to see how much worse it could have been.
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There's our time and there's time within the Dresdenverse. It's quite possible the time it takes for Harry to get sucked into the Mirror Mirror world, have his adventure and then find a way back, may only take a few seconds in the Dresdenverse. However the readers will have to wait a couple of years until Harry's next book comes out.
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The likelihood of exposure has been set out on other threads, but thousands die, more are injured and their medical bills and funerals are paid by Mab
Harry has made it clear that this is too big to dismiss, and he took the Placard with him, a communications device.
It is presumed that Harry is sucked into the other universe, but we don’t know for how much of the book, as first person narratives the books happen over a couple of days. I suspect evil Harry will look at our Harry and think he has the best of it (he won’t fool Mouse).
In Grave Peril Harry was able to take back the part of himself stolen by The Nightmare, it may be that the two Harry’s end up in a battle where they are fighting for their joint power, winner takes both as there are not supposed to be two of them in the same world. That would give Harry a major power up. Something similar occurred with memories in Ghost Story, so I suspect Harry ends up with twice the power and two sets of memories.
WOJ is that it was a decision in Grave Peril which changed the course of history, since that WOJ we know that alternate worlds are created by time travel from Vadderung/Kringle. Could alter Harry have time travelled back to save Susan and the Dresdenverse be the other leg of this particular pair of the trousers of time creating the split.
If Murphy dies in Battle Ground does he bring alter Murphy back with him? At this point In Grave Peril Murphy was a lieutenant at SI, Harry hadn’t brought her into the supernatural world, she may without Harry have been cashiered much earlier in her career (Rudy) and have very little in her life, no career, two failed marriages, Chicago gone to hell from the two times their Harry didn’t save the world. They end up having to re-start their relationship all over again. Jim gets to have his dead Murphy cake and gets to eat it. Always go with what will make Harry suffer the most. He will get to see Murphy, his old Apartment, the Blue Beetle
The alter Bob would still have the Kemmler memories. Kemmler was suspected of timetravel so that alter Bob may be have the info Harry needs to get home, so I suspect alter Bob will also come to the main continuity. This may explain why Kemmler got so powerful, he had the power of several Kemmlers.
If alter Mister is left without a Harry then Jim will never be forgiven.
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I think MM will also be the TT book, because of the way string theory works mostly. So I was thinking, what if the reason the timeline inconsistencies are so great in PT is because, like the Attack through time on DR, the echo's are getting greater the closer to the actual event it get. So closed loop fluxuations are greater closer to the event horizon? 🤔
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The event should be Grave Peril era, our Harry wouldn’t travel back, he would lose Maggie and Bonea, unless it is alter Harry seeking to travel back to that time to undo a decision which created the reality we know. Alter Harry should have returned back to his time in his continuity and not the new continuity, but seeks to travel across time to replace our Harry, in doing so swapping places with him? This would make sense from what we know of timetravel in the Dresdenverse, it also fits in with the sophistry of Harry breaking the laws of magic, he didn’t timetravel the alter Harry Dresden did.
Alter Harry has then yet to timetravel in his continuity but is just about to, causing the ripples. This would mean since Grave Peril we has been watching the wrong Harry Dresden.
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I mean, yea. That's almost spot on my theory right there.. which imo makes MM Harry the original timeline. As we're watching the one with TT adjustments play itself out..
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The likelihood of exposure has been set out on other threads, but thousands die, more are injured and their medical bills and funerals are paid by Mab
Harry has made it clear that this is too big to dismiss
Well, the very last lines of PT sound to me like Harry and Murphy are going to try to prevent that. (That also seems to be Odin and Ferrovax's argument as to why the Accorded nations should fight Ethniu rather than hide... if the supernatural world going public anyway was inevitable, then their argument doesn't really make any sense.)
I think something will definitely change with regards to the mortal/supernatural relationship, but maybe not full publicity. (My WAG is more involvement from secret federal agencies, which Murphy joins, and that "Murphy's funeral" tweet from Jim refers to Murphy faking her death to join up.)
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I've seen several posts that claim Mirror Mirror will come directly after Battle Grounds. And, given what is implied to happen in the next book I can't help but feel the timing is extremely poor. If magic is revealed to mortals, wouldn't it be better to see the implications of that, rather than the parallel reality where Dresden made a different Choice?
Is it true that Mirror Mirror is next? Why the... I don't want to use the word distraction, but it seems appropriate while unaware of the finer details...? Thoughts?
It doesn't matter. It can take place in zero time. He gets plucked and returns in a moment, so no time passes here. But most books only span a couple of days anyway. The bigger problem is that time is flying in the real world and crawling in the Dresden Files. His current event fetish is going to bite him. And there are some hints that he is retconning that. He refers to Notre Dame.called Notre-Dame to mind. You know, before the fire.
Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 126). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
So he's already time traveling.
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There is one thing exposing the Accorded powers them having lost which is Ethnui’s plan, but for the Accorded Nations to be exposed as the protectors of mortalkind is quite different, it would be to engage the mortal police and military as partners, not antagonists. Harry has lived openly as a wizard aiding CPD, he is merely taking what he does to a much greater level. It would explain why Mab picked up the bills.
If you look at Jury Duty the judge knew about the supernatural shenanigans. She just wouldn’t acknowledge this officially. That’s the very least which will happen.
I suspect the placard can be used to communicate to the citizenry to stay in their homes and take other steps to mitigate the loss of life, but explaining the message is going to be very difficult. The Placard can provably do what the Merlin did, in Turncoat but for the entire City, allowing direction to forces, warning citizen, coordinating attacks.
If you are familiar with the Peter Grant novels, that may be how things go, the authorities accept the supernatural but don’t like it, but do allow the Folly (equivalent of SI) a pretty much free range so long as they follow procedure, keep the paperwork up to date, and at least try to keep the magical property damage to a minimum. They don’t advertise the supernatural, they just get on with the job.
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Where are you getting the idea that the placard is a communication device?
Is there a WoJ or something in the text, or something in the pop culture or medieval lore about that?
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It’s a placard, placards are used to communicate things such as “Jesus Christ, King of the Jews” and all mortal communications are down.
We know the function of the Athame, and we know enough about the Shroud and the grail to ascertain functions of resurrection and purification, that is established lore.
The Crown of Thorns I suspect are Thorn Manacles for a god, Nicky is supposed to have created thorn manacles for practioners and he dates from that period.
That leaves the placard, all we know is that it announced a message the world over which has held for two millennia, sweeping away worship of a host of other gods. Not powerful at all.
If you had a major Nemfected entity you wanted to contain, cure and anounce the cure of to the world those five objects plus three nails are what you need to do the job. The other four objects nullified Nemesis victory, the Placard turned it into a defeat.
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I really don't think this has anything to do with Nemesis - especially if you're suggesting they were originally used to cure Christ from Nemfection. I'm pretty sure that there's a WOJ that Archangels are far too powerful to be Nemfected, so...
I think Nemesis is more of an Outsider weapon against the Fae. There are hints that it can infect non-Fae, but all the definitely Nemfected beings in the books so far have been Fae (Aurora, Lea, Cat Sith, Maeve). I doubt Nemesis has any relevance to the Heaven/Angels/Knights of the Cross vs. Hell/Fallen/Denarians side of things.
The placard might be used for communication, but it could also be tied to judgment/trial/punishment... which would fit Harry imprisoning a Titan.
Or Harry might be using it more as a power source, or to "reinforce"/strengthen the binding the way he used various items in the circle to summon/bind the Erlking in DB. (The specific forms of the items might be less relevant than their connection to the Crucifixion; there isn't really an obvious connection between nails and a Sword. Even the reference to the spearhead as an 'Athame' is a bit odd; I would expect it to be used as a weapon, but an athame is typically a ritual instrument, not a weapon.)
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Christ was a man, the White God left part of himself open to infection, and why else have such articles used in a ritual?
The fact that the nails were angels themselves, makes me think this, I thought originally that the nails and the swords had been created by the ritual and that was it’s purpose, but the nails were already powered up, so what was the purpose?
Given the White God is an intellectus the infection and cure may have been deliberate to get information on Nemesis and the Outsiders, and figure out a cure I doubt any intellectus includes knowledge of what is happening beyond the outer gates. If Lucifer were patient zero for Nemesis then the object is to eventually cure him. Archangels are ON their guard NOW and can’t be Nemfected, but if Lucifer let Nemesis IN that is a different matter.
This may be what Nicky was after in the heist, why he has concerns about the Black Council and Nemesis. The Fall may have been perpetuated by a Nemfected Archangel, other Fallen believed Lucifer in the same way people believed Maeve. This could be Anduriels redemption arc.
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I remember it being suggested the placard could help find true names.
And interestingly, though angels are immune to Nemesis, which to me suggests a parallel position in power, they are NOT immune to Harry renaming things.
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If angels were immune you would’t Have Hellfire at Arctis Tor. Archangels may be protected against Nemesis now they know what it is, but could the Crucifixtion been to develop an angelic vaccine against Nemesis? For the White God, Archangels, Angels and perhaps Starborn? It would explain Mr Sunshines interest in Harry.
The much less powerful Mab can cure an infection in a single case but not innoculate the Winter Court, nor cure her own daughter
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If angels were immune you would’t Have Hellfire at Arctis Tor. Archangels may be protected against Nemesis now they know what it is, but could the Crucifixtion been to develop an angelic vaccine against Nemesis? For the White God, Archangels, Angels and perhaps Starborn? It would explain Mr Sunshines interest in Harry.
The much less powerful Mab can cure an infection in a single case but not innoculate the Winter Court, nor cure her own daughter
it's Implied by Nick they're a traitor, not nemfected. An you have to want to be cured, Maeve didn't.
Prerty sure the interest in starborn from the good guys is you can hold a mantle and since it's still your consciousness the mantle is immune by proxy.
*Angels being immune is a Woj btw, they're too complete or whole or something, I forget the exact word.
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It’s a placard, placards are used to communicate things such as “Jesus Christ, King of the Jews” and all mortal communications are down.
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That leaves the placard, all we know is that it announced a message the world over which has held for two millennia, sweeping away worship of a host of other gods. Not powerful at all.
Except that the message which swept the world wasn't "Jesus of Nazareth is the King of the Jews" -- heck, that message didn't even sweep Judaism. The message that swept the world was the Good News of the resurrection -- which happened days after the last mention of the placard in the Bible.
I've been thinking the Placard is about names or mantles -- like maybe if you stuck the placard on the back of Vadderung's seat and wrote Kris Kringle on it, it would force him to switch mantles. Or maybe if you write a True Name on it, it's a much more powerful version of Harry speaking Toot-Toot's name to summon him (or Mab's, or the Erlking's...)
If it were the latter, though, I'd expect him to set up shop on the Island and try to use the placard to summon Ethniu. He could end the battle before she even gets to Chicago with her army.
*Shrug*
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it's Implied by Nick they're a traitor, not nemfected. An you have to want to be cured, Maeve didn't.
Prerty sure the interest in starborn from the good guys is you can hold a mantle and since it's still your consciousness the mantle is immune by proxy.
*Angels being immune is a Woj btw, they're too complete or whole or something, I forget the exact word.
Angels may be immune, but are fallen angels also immune? One I guess could presume that don't lose that immunity with their fall, but then again, maybe? Or alternatively, what if God made a mistake? What if Lucifer, who led the rebellion that led to the fall, did get infected? What if he is "patient zero"? What if God only made the rest of the angels immune after the rebellion?
Alternatively, even if the fallen angels are immune to the infection, what if their hosts aren't? That would account for a lot of the attitude we see from the likes of Nic. What if, because Harry is a star child, he couldn't get infected? What if, even though because he never officially accepted the coin, Lasciel couldn't be cured of the infection, but her shadow, who resided in Harry's head was cured and transformed into Lash? What if just being a star born makes Harry an antibody to Nemesis?
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Who know’s Harry may write “Kick me” on the Placard and stick it on Corbs back.
There is far too much importance given to names or mantles in some theories.
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Who know’s Harry may write “Kick me” on the Placard and stick it on Corbs back.
There is far too much importance given to names or mantles in some theories.
But she is so tall, who outside of Harry and Rashid could reach it's backside?
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Angels may be immune, but are fallen angels also immune? One I guess could presume that don't lose that immunity with their fall, but then again, maybe? Or alternatively, what if God made a mistake? What if Lucifer, who led the rebellion that led to the fall, did get infected? What if he is "patient zero"? What if God only made the rest of the angels immune after the rebellion?
Alternatively, even if the fallen angels are immune to the infection, what if their hosts aren't? That would account for a lot of the attitude we see from the likes of Nic. What if, because Harry is a star child, he couldn't get infected? What if, even though because he never officially accepted the coin, Lasciel couldn't be cured of the infection, but her shadow, who resided in Harry's head was cured and transformed into Lash? What if just being a star born makes Harry an antibody to Nemesis?
we'll see, by my calculations, the fallen exist specifically to soak up nemesis... Infection is the wrong word, imbalance. Complex theory... I think the watchers like Mac have up their Grace to the swords and the denarians are the balance, the nickelheads slowly eat the hosts soul and occupy the space of their shadow, everyone has a shadow and it's through this Nemesis works(it's why the fae all have their shadow inside reality) while basically preventing their negative apocalyptic energy from building up or creating supernatural fear(as they always have mundane groups to take the credit).
So that's why nic was so freaked about hearing of the hellfire.cnow exactly what that means for a fallen to be working WITH nemesis idk.. perhaps one of them has a starborn host that's imbalanced the fallen? Or maybe their treacherous nature gives them inclination to work with Nemesis if they think they'll get what they want.. or maybe one of the thirty was already working with Nemesis and Lucifer knew this but not which one so he threw them all out?
Idk, I think it's kinda a plot hole that if Harry can't get Nfected then why the bloody heck did Rashid need to examine him to make sure he was acting for himself and not compromised?
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The argument is that there are Fallen who are Nemfected and those that are not. Nicky and Anduriel appear not to be infected, one of the Denarian Magic users is, most likely Thorned Namshiel, the Denarians are restricted to acting with/through their hosts free will. A Nemfected Denarians isn’t, but has to be careful not to expose themselves. Namshiels hand contains the coin disappeared and there are theories as to who took it. I think Namshiel reanimated the flesh and scampered away Thing style, something only a Nemfected could do.
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Idk, I think it's kinda a plot hole that if Harry can't get Nfected then why the bloody heck did Rashid need to examine him to make sure he was acting for himself and not compromised?
Remember for many it isn't a sure thing, remember Morgan's mini journal entry?
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Remember for many it isn't a sure thing, remember Morgan's mini journal entry?
yea, but I'd they know what a starborn does, and is immune to Nemesis then It creates whole host of other issues, why be afraid he went warlock in the first place? Why would Morgan even think he might be a Nemesis puppet unless he was totally ignorant of starborn? Idk, something ain't adding up... Plus we don't understand why Harry was meant to be a capital D Destroyer... This just makes more questions for me than answers... I really feel like Harry shouldn't have interrupted EB talking about starborn, there's more to it than what was said for sure. Feel like Jim gave us a piece to chew on but it's a misdirection... "Lookest thou over there!" And all
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yea, but I'd they know what a starborn does, and is immune to Nemesis then It creates whole host of other issues, why be afraid he went warlock in the first place? Why would Morgan even think he might be a Nemesis puppet unless he was totally ignorant of starborn? Idk, something ain't adding up... Plus we don't understand why Harry was meant to be a capital D Destroyer... This just makes more questions for me than answers... I really feel like Harry shouldn't have interrupted EB talking about starborn, there's more to it than what was said for sure. Feel like Jim gave us a piece to chew on but it's a misdirection... "Lookest thou over there!" And all
Yeah, well, that is the problem I have with Peace Talks in the first place, the whole thing feels like
a misdirection.
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Maybe Starborn come in two flavours Destroyer and Saviour, you just don’t know which is which. One will aid Outsiders the other will oppose.
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If Starborn can be Destroyers or Saviours, it's not going to be a destiny thing, it's going to be an all-caps CHOICE.
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yea, but I'd they know what a starborn does, and is immune to Nemesis then It creates whole host of other issues, why be afraid he went warlock in the first place? Why would Morgan even think he might be a Nemesis puppet unless he was totally ignorant of starborn? Idk, something ain't adding up... Plus we don't understand why Harry was meant to be a capital D Destroyer... This just makes more questions for me than answers... I really feel like Harry shouldn't have interrupted EB talking about starborn, there's more to it than what was said for sure. Feel like Jim gave us a piece to chew on but it's a misdirection... "Lookest thou over there!" And all
That inconsistency could be an implication that Eb is Nemfected...
Yet more support for that theory...
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If Eb is Nemfected, then Harry just exposed his mind to the Outside in direct violation of the 7th law on the advice of a Nemfected individual, and we only have Eb's word that it was safe for Harry.
Perhaps the rash of continuity violations are actually Harry going mad?
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Perhaps they are a result of Jim creating two books out of one.
However no one is acting totally rationally. Almost like someone was influencing them.
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yea, but I'd they know what a starborn does, and is immune to Nemesis then It creates whole host of other issues, why be afraid he went warlock in the first place? Why would Morgan even think he might be a Nemesis puppet unless he was totally ignorant of starborn?
- Being Starborn might protect you from Nemesis (and even that's just Harry's speculation), but wouldn't prevent you from going warlock. Harry was tainted by killing Justin, in the early books, although he seems to have overcome that.
- People might willingly use the Outsiders for power, even if not Nemfected. I doubt Nemesis bothered to infect the Evil Eye cult in BR, but they were using an Outsider-powered entropy curse.
- How sure was Morgan that Harry actually was Starborn? Maybe he couldn't rule out it being a deception by Lord Raith and Maggie Sr. (IE - maybe he wasn't convinced that Maggie Sr had ever really reformed.)
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The fact that the nails were angels themselves, makes me think this, I thought originally that the nails and the swords had been created by the ritual and that was it’s purpose, but the nails were already powered up, so what was the purpose?
Other way around, I think. The nails and coins probably only contained angels and Fallen after they were given significance by the events around the Crucifixion.
If Lucifer were patient zero for Nemesis then the object is to eventually cure him.
I'm pretty sure Lucifer being Nemfected is ruled out by WOJs - both that Archangels can't be infected (not because they're on guard but because they're too metaphysically huge and/or immutable) and that Lucifer is anti-Outsider.
I remember it being suggested the placard could help find true names.
Apparently Ethniu is known by several other names in Irish myth, so "Ethniu" might not be her True Name.
If angels were immune you would’t Have Hellfire at Arctis Tor.
Not necessarily - the human host could be Nemfected, or a Denarian might be working for the Outsiders without any Nemesis involved.
And "for" the Outsiders might be a loose term here. For all we know a Fallen angel wouldn't really lose anything if this particular universe got turned to "Empty Night"; there are a lot of other universes out there. So maybe Thorned Namshiel thinks that if this universe gets destroyed, he would be freed of his Coin (which would be destroyed with the rest of the matter in the universe) and then he wouldn't have to bother with working through a human host anymore.
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Being Starborn might protect you from Nemesis (and even that's just Harry's speculation), but wouldn't prevent you from going warlock. Harry was tainted by killing Justin, in the early books, although he seems to have overcome that.
I agree, one is an outside force, Nemesis causing the madness. Becoming warlock is caused by an inside force/talent misused and abused that is addictive and unless checked leads to evil.
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Other way around, I think. The nails and coins probably only contained angels and Fallen after they were given significance by the events around the Crucifixion.
I wonder if an angel resides in the nail or uses it as a vessel/channel for it's power. Residing in the coins seems like a punishment as much as a cheat to act in the world.
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I agree, one is an outside force, Nemesis causing the madness. Becoming warlock is caused by an inside force/talent misused and abused that is addictive and unless checked leads to evil.
I disagree, both are from outside reality, both replace what was there with something inhuman and monstrous. Both, if necromancy is any example, come from the power of being NOT. The way the feeling is described in book when touched upon, being greasy, cold, ect. If magic is part of creation, then it's opposing force is an element of destruction, it isn't natural to reality, has to come from somewhere.
And that's not even starting on the whole mirroring/shadow theory. The fae(pretty much everything actually, TWG and Lucifer for instance, Mouse calling Him My Shadow was a cluebat) protect themselves from being a mirror from Nemesis, a beacon as put forth in PG(that's the double ontondre that Jim always has, where explaining one facet of the DF reality actually explains something else too, it's explaining how Nemesis finds hosts), by having their mirror inside reality, when that mirroring slips it creates cosmic imbalances through which Nemesis can act.when wizards start to break the laws they're violating free will, cosmic order, which we know twists things, things like shagnasty who were supposed to leave but chose to stay, ghosts who manifest and mess with ppl, ect. But wizards aren't JUST twisted, they're replaced. That replacement has to come from somewhere no? Violating free will has no place in reality, but doing so makes you a beacon for things of a similar nature. This is I think why warlocks have to be executed after a certain point. It's all wrapped up together.
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I wonder if an angel resides in the nail or uses it as a vessel/channel for it's power. Residing in the coins seems like a punishment as much as a cheat to act in the world.
Yeah, the angels in the Swords probably aren't imprisoned in the same way the fallen angels in the coins are.
There's a WOJ that the 30 Fallen in the coins are ones Lucifer didn't want around because they might mess up and/or challenge his control of Hell (Lasciel apparently never really followed him in the first place, "playing both sides" of the War in Heaven). So I agree they are actually "constrained" and not just using a trick to act in the mortal world.
But even so, I think the association with the Crucifixion gave the nail the "significance" to become a "focus point" for an angel.
That is, I don't think the DV Jesus was crucified with already-angelic or otherwise previously "special" nails. I think all these items (the nails, the spearhead/athame, the Grail, the placard, the Shroud, the Crown of Thorns) gained significance/power due to their association with the Crucifixion.
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Yeah, the angels in the Swords probably aren't imprisoned in the same way the fallen angels in the coins are.
There's a WOJ that the 30 Fallen in the coins are ones Lucifer didn't want around because they might mess up and/or challenge his control of Hell (Lasciel apparently never really followed him in the first place, "playing both sides" of the War in Heaven). So I agree they are actually "constrained" and not just using a trick to act in the mortal world.
But even so, I think the association with the Crucifixion gave the nail the "significance" to become a "focus point" for an angel.
That is, I don't think the DV Jesus was crucified with already-angelic or otherwise previously "special" nails. I think all these items (the nails, the spearhead/athame, the Grail, the placard, the Shroud, the Crown of Thorns) gained significance/power due to their association with the Crucifixion.
idk, I think they were Nortia's nails of inexorable human fate before TWC literally took humanities fate and spared us from it. I think if the nails 'Fall' they'd be weapons of destruction again.. possibly he only made them Rise to good purposes with his actions.
*Nortia's the Etruscan version of the Greek Nemesis btw
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I disagree, both are from outside reality,
I really don't think the corruption of warlocks is from outside reality. I think it's just a consequence of human nature and the nature of magic. We're told over and over that magic comes from who and what you are, that you have to really fundamentally believe that something should happen before you can make it happen with magic.
So using dark magic draws on the darker aspects of a wizard's nature, and strengthens them. They couldn't do it in the first place if those darker aspects weren't there, and doing it reinforces those aspects more and more, makes the darker aspects of their nature more and more dominant.
I also think the White Council tends to overstate the degree to which warlocks 'inevitably' become corrupted. Some clearly do, but...
Harry doesn't seem to get the same kind of dark-magic-taint-urges as he did in the early books. Maybe the Winter Mantle has just overridden that, but it wasn't really a thing in WN/SmF/TC - once Lash stopped being evil but before he took up the Mantle - either.
And Molly was using mind magic quite a bit, and her POV in Bombshells doesn't seem warped by it. She's damaged in other ways, but it seems more PTSD and grief and guilt type stuff, not "I'm going to start controlling everyone's mind for my benefit" stuff.
The way the feeling is described in book when touched upon, being greasy, cold, ect. If magic is part of creation, then it's opposing force is an element of destruction, it isn't natural to reality, has to come from somewhere.
Eh, I think there's a couple of different kinds of dark magic.
Harry in DB talks about how Cowl's magic doesn't feel like other dark magic he's encountered. He also talks in the same book about how necromancers and vampires draw from some kind of "death power" that's different from the "life power" Harry and other normal wizards use.
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That doesn't entirely explain why they go batshet crazy, or them being replaced by inhuman entities which isn't the same.normal wizards don't get effected by using regular magic to become more likely to use magic after all? They don't suddenly become paragon's of virtue in their old age..
And Harry has had mouse awhile, He Who Licks Away Dark Magic corruption.
Molly hasn't used free will, and ergo cosmic law violating magic in quite awhile.. which do you refer to here? She used it like a fae when the rag lady, she cast illusions into minds but didn't make them do anything, they reacted to what they saw. Same as earlier descriptions of far making you run into traffic and the like.
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Free will, it’s the one thing many of the major entities don’t have, that’s why we have MM we see Destroyery Harry, our Harry is Savoury*Harry.
Either this creates a parallel world scenario in which no-one knows until the last minute whether they are in Destoyer or Saviour world. We have to presume there are dead branches where the Starborn didn’t stand against the Outsiders and that world was Destroyed to prevent them coming into that reality, cleansed of mortal life.
The other option is that time travel creates the parallel worlds, a Starborn seeking to revise their decision and perhaps choose the better branch to live on.
*why do you think Mouse likes the taste so much?
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*why do you think Mouse likes the taste so much?
They are crunchy... 8)
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Well his hand was....