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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: jonas on January 09, 2018, 01:53:57 AM
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So was watching a vid from salt lake comic con and someone asks about what would happen if Harry rebuilt LC on DR. His reply stated things built on DR tend to have a horrible energy attached to them... and I thought, did not Harry make his new supplies living ON DemonReach? Bad juju trapped in his working enchantments or just over thinking it?
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His Staff, and now Bonny's skull I think?
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Do you think Butcher was foreshadowing something?
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Possibly. I think that with Little Chicago the problem is that there would be a thaumaturgical link to Chicago being constantly bombarded with all the bad juju that Demonreach is constantly producing.
Worst case scenario the entire city could wind up like the Islands would-be settlers.
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His Staff, and now Bonny's skull I think?
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Would either of these two items allow Harry to remotely access DR?
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Would either of these two items allow Harry to remotely access DR?
I think it's more like it has access to him
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I would bet that anything Harry builds are removes from the island won't necessarily have a "taint" because he's protected. But if he builds a structure or something that stays there, it would.
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I would bet that anything Harry builds are removes from the island won't necessarily have a "taint" because he's protected. But if he builds a structure or something that stays there, it would.
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Along those lines I wonder if given Harry's shared intellectus with DR he could conceivably build something along the lines of LC that would allow him to communicate with Alfred and/or activate defenses from afar.
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Along those lines I wonder if given Harry's shared intellectus with DR he could conceivably build something along the lines of LC that would allow him to communicate with Alfred and/or activate defenses from afar.
Since Harry only has the Intellectus when he is in contact with the island, I'm not sure how that would be possible. I'd like to see it, but creating a "walkie-talkie" to DR I could see having serious trouble. DR being surrounded by water being one of them. It's being set up to hold things in, and hold things out being another.
Harry may be able to find a back-door to all of that, but he'd need some serious time and a need to even know he needs to do something like that.
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I'm more curious if he can't find a quicker Way to get to DR... with his Mom's stone and Alfred's help, I'd think it would be possible. The Gatekeeper knows a Way, so did Peabody and his possibly even originated in Chicago. Best would be a permanent portal from his new digs to the island, but I don't know if he'd have the juice to pull that off yet.
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Yeah, a couple of hours by boat and downtown traffic does not make for a speedy arrival.
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Fwiw, once upon a time a fan asked him if the Eternal Silence statue was letting Alfred communicate because it's materials were originally sourced on Demonreach (the questioner mistakenly thought the statue was stone rather than bronze). Jim said something to the effect that would have been a really cool idea, but by that point it was already written into the books that Mab had been facilitating that communication. So while there's nothing cannon in that, it gave me the impression that he views it as a reasonable mechanic, and Id say it's entirely consistent with what we know of Thaumaturgy in general. It likely wouldnt let him tap the Ley Line or expand his Intellectus past the island or anything, but communication shouldnt be a problem. Worst case you build a radio-style paired receiver system; if one side is on the island it is within Alfred's sphere of knowledge, and now that he'd getting more skilled at Languages he should be able to use such a device (might still need a SoI translator, be we know of some)
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Since Harry only has the Intellectus when he is in contact with the island, I'm not sure how that would be possible. I'd like to see it, but creating a "walkie-talkie" to DR I could see having serious trouble. DR being surrounded by water being one of them. It's being set up to hold things in, and hold things out being another.
Harry may be able to find a back-door to all of that, but he'd need some serious time and a need to even know he needs to do something like that.
I apologize, I was imprecise in my thought. I meant that given Harrys shared Intellectus with DR he could build something while still on the island that would work to connect him to Alfred off the island and/or activate defenses on the island. I did not mean to imply that he would utilize the intellectus off the island. I would think that finding a way to activate defenses on DR would be a priority given the events of Cold Days.
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I apologize, I was imprecise in my thought. I meant that given Harrys shared Intellectus with DR he could build something while still on the island that would work to connect him to Alfred off the island and/or activate defenses on the island. I did not mean to imply that he would utilize the intellectus off the island. I would think that finding a way to activate defenses on DR would be a priority given the events of Cold Days.
Honestly, I get the impression (post SG) that he could now just leave Alfred with Standing Orders to react to a given threat in a specific way. He just didnt know enough about how the Island work and what it could do back in CD.
Which is not to say he'd want the intellectus to work for thing like Babysitting...Parent can get weird, and if child-lowjack and whatnot exist I cant image Wizards being immune to that brand of crazy
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Which is not to say he'd want the intellectus to work for thing like Babysitting...Parent can get weird, and if child-lowjack and whatnot exist I cant image Wizards being immune to that brand of crazy
Oh God, can you imagine the insane levels of precaution Harry is taking for Maggie? I can picture him layering her with protective talismans, enchanting all of her clothes to be bulletproof (and Downy Soft™), enchanted bracelets covering both arms that dispense antibacterial gel if they detect a sneeze in the vicinity, ruby red slippers that let her run faster than the speed of sound on autopilot directly to Harry's location if she clicks them three times... He's definitely going to be a helicopter dad, and I'm okay with it. (Yeah, I know she has Mouse, but Harry's Harry).
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Honestly, I get the impression (post SG) that he could now just leave Alfred with Standing Orders to react to a given threat in a specific way. He just didnt know enough about how the Island work and what it could do back in CD.
Which is not to say he'd want the intellectus to work for thing like Babysitting...Parent can get weird, and if child-lowjack and whatnot exist I cant image Wizards being immune to that brand of crazy
I'd suggest that, based on the scene in CD, where the Ladies are attacking the Well, that he has some "sub-routines" already built in to withstand some things.
It was the sea attack that wasn't really planned for (because DR isn't always in Lake Michigan?), but Harry now believes he can repel even that. So maybe he "writes" new "sub-routines" to plan for something like that.
As to babysitting ... put the baby in some of that green crystal, and then there is NO problems. LOL
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We know very little about the capture and release process of prisoners.
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We know very little about the capture and release process of prisoners.
Only that per Alfred Harry has the authority to release inmates.
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Is the part where we suggest he puts a piece of green crystal from the caves in a slot on his pendant? And it would allow him to remotely communicate with Alfred, control defenses, etc?
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I could see Harry placing a piece of island crystal in his amulet. I always thought Harry would make something to control/influence/augement the winter knight mantle. Harry could use soul fire to do so, but that is a big risk for him, so only items he won't easily loose. That would describe his amulet.
I had this epic idea, Harry could use soul fire to make a little "Demonreach ". He used soul fire to bond to the island, so if used on the model, it could amplify his powers. Potentially make it possible to use his connection off the island.
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Only that per Alfred Harry has the authority to release inmates.
That would give new meaning to making your child take a time out.
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I could see Harry placing a piece of island crystal in his amulet. I always thought Harry would make something to control/influence/augement the winter knight mantle. Harry could use soul fire to do so, but that is a big risk for him, so only items he won't easily loose. That would describe his amulet.
A while back we came up with all sorts of ideas for foci on his shield bracelet amulet, including using one of Mab's cufflinks as a foci for the WK mantle. Since there's been no hint at issues with his mom's ruby being there, it could be he could handle a few more. Or maybe it's at its limit.
I had this epic idea, Harry could use soul fire to make a little "Demonreach ". He used soul fire to bond to the island, so if used on the model, it could amplify his powers. Potentially make it possible to use his connection off the island.
I don't know if he'd need to, though. He's got knowledge of the entire island at his disposal already. The model would only be a 3D representation, which he might not need depending on how well he could project the image in his own mind. And Alfred is ever-present even when not physically with him, so he can just think a command, and Alfred will take care of it.
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I'd suggest that, based on the scene in CD, where the Ladies are attacking the Well, that he has some "sub-routines" already built in to withstand some things.
It was the sea attack that wasn't really planned for (because DR isn't always in Lake Michigan?), but Harry now believes he can repel even that. So maybe he "writes" new "sub-routines" to plan for something like that.
I dont know, Alphred didnt actually initiate anything that I recall. Though to be fair Mab then gave him thanks for it's restraint which does imply he had active response options. But the only thing that was Activated on the island was the defense Circle, and Lily did that.
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Sure he has a connection to the island, but the model would augement and refine them. Harry has never been one for fine control, but such a focus could let him pull off lots of little tricks.
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I dont know, Alphred didnt actually initiate anything that I recall. Though to be fair Mab then gave him thanks for it's restraint which does imply he had active response options. But the only thing that was Activated on the island was the defense Circle, and Lily did that.
Did she? Sure she walked a circle, but I'm pretty sure the defensive circle was raised as an automatic response by DR.
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Did she? Sure she walked a circle, but I'm pretty sure the defensive circle was raised as an automatic response by DR.
Nope, that was a specific part of the whole scene. It was a pre-built Ward, but it was Lily that turned it on while Maeve distracted Alfred
He tested his right hand again and got a little more motion out of it before he winced. “I don’t know where this will get you,” he said, “but as far as I could tell, this was just a ritual circle, like any other.”
“How so?”
“When we landed, Maeve sent some hounds and some Little Folk after you and went straight for that lighthouse—and the guardian just popped up out of the ground, where it is now. Maeve assaulted the spirit, just like right now. She kept it busy while Lily walked a circle of the hilltop, singing. I’ve seen her set up circles like that a thousand times. But once she’d gone all the way around, kaboom, up came the wall.”
I grunted. “Then . . . it’s a preinstalled defense that can be triggered like . . . Hell’s bells, not like a ward. It is a ward. A huge one. But if anything of the island passes through the circle without disturbing it, and anything that isn’t of the island is destroyed . . .” I followed the logic through and sagged.
“What?” Fix asked.
“Then there’s no way to break the circle,” I breathed. “It’s like a time-lock safe. It isn’t coming down until sunrise.”
“Meaning what?”
I swallowed. Sunrise was too late. So I gathered whatever scraps of strength I had left in me and pushed myself slowly, wearily to my feet.
“Meaning,” I said, “we’re on our own.”
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Is the part where we suggest he puts a piece of green crystal from the caves in a slot on his pendant? And it would allow him to remotely communicate with Alfred, control defenses, etc?
looking at his new staff on Case Files he has a spot very good for that, ask Gandalf ;)
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So how would things have fallen out if they hadn't triggered the ward?
I know Harry and co would have had quicker access to the attacking fairies, but do you think it would have had any effect on what DR did?
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looking at his new staff on Case Files he has a spot very good for that, ask Gandalf ;)
Indeed. I just checked it out, and it does look like it could have a crystal fitted atop it. Considering that McGrath updated Harry's staff to have the correct type of runes, it makes me wonder if the new look was based on input from JB.
If so, it makes it *less* likely to have a spearhead atop it.
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Indeed. I just checked it out, and it does look like it could have a crystal fitted atop it. Considering that McGrath updated Harry's staff to have the correct type of runes, it makes me wonder if the new look was based on input from JB.
If so, it makes it *less* likely to have a spearhead atop it.
... Shxls!
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I'd sooner believe that Harry will NOT be the one to carry the Spear into battle. I'd bet he'd let Vadderung carry it, as he has a bit of experience with a spear already.
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I'd sooner believe that Harry will NOT be the one to carry the Spear into battle. I'd bet he'd let Vadderung carry it, as he has a bit of experience with a spear already.
I see Harry sticking with what he knows: magic and a trusty firearm. He will let the mythical beings carry the mythical weapons.
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Other than Vadderung at Chichen Itza, have we seen anyone else wield a spear? Maybe He'll give it to Nick for the BAT?
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Bah, spears are easy, they require like, a week of training to use properly. It's one of the reasons that they were so popular a weapon.
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Bah, spears are easy, they require like, a week of training to use properly. It's one of the reasons that they were so popular a weapon.
so is a sword, or knife, or a gun... Anyone can use them after a week of training but it takes much longer to be an actual expert.... Many different cultures, and martial arts styles use them, and there is a massive difference between a week of training an an actual expert.
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Nope, that was a specific part of the whole scene. It was a pre-built Ward, but it was Lily that turned it on while Maeve distracted Alfred
Quantus, I read that same quote and I came away with that the ward came up in response to what Lily was doing, not that she called it up. It was the part where Fix said "But"...
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Quantus, I read that same quote and I came away with that the ward came up in response to what Lily was doing, not that she called it up. It was the part where Fix said "But"...
Hmm. I guess I can see how you could read it that way, but it makes less sense that way to me, if the goal was to try to trick/convince Alfred to activate something they'd have both gone straight to doing that. The fact that they instead had Maeve try to Distract Alfred while lily went and did something else implies that they were specifically trying to do something without his notice, rather than the opposite tactic you describe.
Also, as more general support of the stance, Alfred has made repeated references to how it is the Warden's job to make those choices and activate those sorts of defenses, not "Here's"
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Hmm. I guess I can see how you could read it that way, but it makes less sense that way to me, if the goal was to try to trick/convince Alfred to activate something they'd have both gone straight to doing that. The fact that they instead had Maeve try to Distract Alfred while lily went and did something else implies that they were specifically trying to do something without his notice, rather than the opposite tactic you describe.
Also, as more general support of the stance, Alfred has made repeated references to how it is the Warden's job to make those choices and activate those sorts of defenses, not "Here's"
I can see your point of view, and after the time that Harry's spent there since that event, I'd agree with Alfred, (by this time, Harry might even be able to have the circle up and still "know" what was happening inside). But I still go with that it was a pre-set response, the Lady's wanted a circle, but I'm sticking with that this circle was a function of the Island, not Lily. I think that Lily was creating a circle, but she hadn't necessarily planned on that circle being the response.
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I'd like to see it, but creating a "walkie-talkie" to DR I could see having serious trouble. DR being surrounded by water being one of them. It's being set up to hold things in, and hold things out being another.
Well the pair of stones he used as a communicator with Ebenzar didn't seem bothered by having the Atlantic Ocean in between them. And the spirit didn't seem bothered by projecting a message to Harry in GS despite him being off the island, so communication is probably feasible within the limits of what Demonreach considers it important to communicate to the Warden.
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I can see your point of view, and after the time that Harry's spent there since that event, I'd agree with Alfred, (by this time, Harry might even be able to have the circle up and still "know" what was happening inside). But I still go with that it was a pre-set response, the Lady's wanted a circle, but I'm sticking with that this circle was a function of the Island, not Lily. I think that Lily was creating a circle, but she hadn't necessarily planned on that circle being the response.
I agree with that entirely. Im just trying to say there is a big difference between Lily activating a pre-existing element of the Island and Alfred exercising initiative with those structures. It's the same division of Power vs Authority that stopped him from Imprisoning Shagnasty even though he actively hated him, and the same reason Im sure that Alfred could free the inmates (because he literally is the walls and doors and locks) but he never Would without an outside agent (ideally the Warden) making the Choice and initiating the process.
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I agree with that entirely. Im just trying to say there is a big difference between Lily activating a pre-existing element of the Island and Alfred exercising initiative with those structures. It's the same division of Power vs Authority that stopped him from Imprisoning Shagnasty even though he actively hated him, and the same reason Im sure that Alfred could free the inmates (because he literally is the walls and doors and locks) but he never Would without an outside agent (ideally the Warden) making the Choice and initiating the process.
It's kinda a psychology/construct thing in my mind, She activated preconstructed wards designed to be used by Merlin to entrap a being while Alfred snatches them up. His main learned goal of the experience is to ensnare that which is summoned by the Warden, Harry summoned Mab but that was not his intention. I think she intentionally manifested in the sky to create a separation from DR even if she was still contained in it's sphere of influence. Notice she sets down only after talking to DR? It was like a dog overthinking what was a trained response(Harry's influence?)
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It's kinda a psychology/construct thing in my mind, She activated preconstructed wards designed to be used by Merlin to entrap a being while Alfred snatches them up. His main learned goal of the experience is to ensnare that which is summoned by the Warden, Harry summoned Mab but that was not his intention. I think she intentionally manifested in the sky to create a separation from DR even if she was still contained in it's sphere of influence. Notice she sets down only after talking to DR? It was like a dog overthinking what was a trained response(Harry's influence?)
This will sound like a nitpick but I think it hits the crux of my Point: She touched down only /After/ she received permission from The Warden. Then she touched down and only then did she address Alfred directly. This is key, because it shows how it's The Warden who has to make teh actual decisions, not Alfred.
Or in this case, a duped Lady who was hacking the Island systems.
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This will sound like a nitpick but I think it hits the crux of my Point: She touched down only /After/ she received permission from The Warden. Then she touched down and only then did she address Alfred directly. This is key, because it shows how it's The Warden who has to make teh actual decisions, not Alfred.
Or in this case, a duped Lady who was hacking the Island systems.
My point is he only hesitated because he could tell that was not his intention. He had other choices that could have been made without the Wardens express permission. It's in his 'programing'.
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Imagine a purpose built sanctum built for Bonnie with Alfred help in the construction. It could have all the features of Bob skull and do much more.
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Imagine a purpose built sanctum built for Bonnie with Alfred help in the construction. It could have all the features of Bob skull and do much more.
If I were Harry, there is no way I'd build a sanctum for Bonnie on the Island. I'd be afraid that the ambiance of the Island would influence her.
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My point is he only hesitated because he could tell that was not his intention. He had other choices that could have been made without the Wardens express permission. It's in his 'programing'.
I think Ive gotten lost; what "Hesitation" on alfred's part are you talking about?
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I think Ive gotten lost; what "Hesitation" on alfred's part are you talking about?
The one Mab thanks him for,"i know you could have chosen otherwise, and I thank you" except not sure if Chosen is the word she uses. She directly references that Alfred could have taken her summons another way though.
Seems part of the activation of the circle itself allows those using it to summon things to be taken by DR even without Warden status. Which, would make sense to me.
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The one Mab thanks him for,"i know you could have chosen otherwise, and I thank you" except not sure if Chosen is the word she uses. She directly references that Alfred could have taken her summons another way though.
Im looking at the scene now and I do not think that's how it went down. As I said she addresses Harry first, and only after getting /his/ permission to set foot on DR did she turn and address Alfred. At which point she says: "“I thank you for your patience and your assistance in this matter. You could have reacted differently but chose not to. I am aware of the decision. It will not be forgotten.”
Demonreach bowed its head, barely, a gesture of acknowledgment, not cooperation or compliance."
Given that his "patience" is what she was thanking him for, I have to think she was referring to some action, or lack of, that he chose to do prior to her arrival. Id always figured this meant that Alfred had another, more proactive, response to the direct attack by the Ladies (ie. the "Rudeness" she ordered them to cease). And the loss of the Lady Mantle to the Well (and thus to her Knight's digression) could have potentially been wildly disastrous for Mab personally and for Winter as a whole.
Seems part of the activation of the circle itself allows those using it to summon things to be taken by DR even without Warden status. Which, would make sense to me.
This was specifically not the case. Per Harry in that scene, any mortal but ONLY mortals can use a Circle to Summon something. Meaning for example, Lily could not do so.
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Im looking at the scene now and I do not think that's how it went down. As I said she addresses Harry first, and only after getting /his/ permission to set foot on DR did she turn and address Alfred. At which point she says:
and points out he could have reacted differently and he did indeed decide, as I said.Given that his "patience" is what she was thanking him for, I have to think she was referring to some action, or lack of, that he chose to do prior to her arrival. Id always figured this meant that Alfred had another, more proactive, response to the direct attack by the Ladies (ie. the "Rudeness" she ordered them to cease). And the loss of the Lady Mantle to the Well (and thus to her Knight's digression) could have potentially been wildly disastrous for Mab personally and for Winter as a whole.
Which is simply not the case, he had no recourse for their actions on his own.
This was specifically not the case. Per Harry in that scene, any mortal but ONLY mortals can use a Circle to Summon something. Meaning for example, Lily could not do so.
But a genuine human could both activate circle and summon using it. I find it far likelier he had a direct recourse for someone activating preconceived wards vs he choose to allow the Ladies to attack him. Go with programming, psychology, whatever. The preconceived response to activating a huge ward/summoning circle and having something summoned into it seems a lot more legit than "i choose to allow this incursion based on Mab's will even though at Harrys pleasure I will snatch the existence right out of her reality."
Seems to me your looking at the Warden's response as a certain thing, but it was him naysaying the intention to capture as permission to enter and that being passed onto DR that mattered.
Think again about it "not being the case". You don't set up Wards that anyone can activate without a purpose, like trapping others without an active Warden. Quit Nitpicking because Lily activated it. That it was there at all is Watsonian to it's purpose.
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and points out he could have reacted differently and he did indeed decide,Which is simply not the case, he had no recourse for their actions on his own. But a genuine human could both activate circle and summon using it. I find it far likelier he had a direct recourse for someone activating preconceived wards vs he choose to allow the Ladies to attack him. Go with programming, psychology, whatever. The preconceived response to activating a huge ward/summoning circle and having something summoned into it seems a lot more legit than "i choose to allow this incursion based on Mab's will even though at Harrys pleasure I will snatch the existence right out of her reality."
Seems to me your looking at the Warden's response as a certain thing, but it was him naysaying the intention to capture as permission to enter and that being passed onto DR that mattered.
Think again about it "not being the case". You don't set up Wards that anyone can activate without a purpose, like trapping others without an active Warden. Quit Nitpicking because Lily activated it. That it was there at all is Watsonian to it's purpose.
Arguing against a brick wall, I give up
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Bonnie was givern birth to on the island, and was actively interacting with Alfred for a while. She likely has been influence by demonreach already and for a long term basis.
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Arguing against a brick wall, I give up
I sir am made of Water.
It's just very hard to get other people to step away from the Canvas they have. Your more in the habit than most to misunderstand me anyway, to my frustration sometime.
But do I give up?.... no. Simply ignore all these attached idea's and focus on the facts in your own quote
You could have reacted differently but chose not to. I am aware of the decision.
None of the other things matter, all the Warden talk is extraneous detail and My words pointing to her talking to DR first were both misspoke and Non germaine to getting my point across. It's what she said to him that matters, Thankee Sai.
*he both chose, proving a thought process, and Reacted, proving a preconceived subroutine towards the situation at hand.
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I bet a blasting rod constructed on DR would be pretty nasty
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Here's a question: does Demonreach know enough about its own method of construction for its intellectus to allow Harry to replicate it elsewhere?
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I started thinking about Ghostbusters. A portable DemonReach-connected apparatus that allows Harry to temporarily contain potential prisoners until they can be permanently contained on DR.
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That would be so game breaking and OP the only reason I can imagine Jim making it would be to have it not work against the major threat.
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Using uniqu and valuable materials make magical foci more powerful and last longer. The crystal produced on the island would definitly quality.
I am imagine a mobile pseudo sanctum, designed to contain potential inmates for travel to the island.
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Here's a question: does Demonreach know enough about its own method of construction for its intellectus to allow Harry to replicate it elsewhere?
I'd imagine it does, but Harry is woefully inadequate of pulling off the spell work I'd think.
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I sir am made of Water.
It's just very hard to get other people to step away from the Canvas they have. Your more in the habit than most to misunderstand me anyway, to my frustration sometime.
But do I give up?.... no. Simply ignore all these attached idea's and focus on the facts in your own quoteNone of the other things matter, all the Warden talk is extraneous detail and My words pointing to her talking to DR first were both misspoke and Non germaine to getting my point across. It's what she said to him that matters, Thankee Sai.
*he both chose, proving a thought process, and Reacted, proving a preconceived subroutine towards the situation at hand.
Yes, Alfred can think, nobody is denying that. Yes, he exhibited a some unexplained form of restraint, and yes Mab thanked him for it. But did Alfred Choose to Raise the Circle Barrier? Nope, Lily did.
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Yes, Alfred can think, nobody is denying that. Yes, he exhibited a some unexplained form of restraint, and yes Mab thanked him for it. But did Alfred Choose to Raise the Circle Barrier? Nope, Lily did.
Does that have anything at all to do with if he actively choose to take Mab or not? Nope the convo we already dressed up and down from Mab did. Lily activated preconstructed magic that could be done by literally anybody, Harry summoned a creature that could be called by literally any human. Does the fact Lily jiggered with DR to try and get into the inner sanctum somehow gainsay the original purpose of the wards, which would not be to make DR more vulnerable? Nope.
Does your assertion have most any effect on mines what so ever? Not if your listening...
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Does that have anything at all to do with if he actively choose to take Mab or not? Nope the convo we already dressed up and down from Mab did. Lily activated preconstructed magic that could be done by literally anybody, Harry summoned a creature that could be called by literally any human. Does the fact Lily jiggered with DR to try and get into the inner sanctum somehow gainsay the original purpose of the wards, which would not be to make DR more vulnerable? Nope.
Does your assertion have most any effect on mines what so ever? Not if your listening...
Ok, so What Im getting here is that you agree with the point I was making and had simply moved on to another without me. Cool.
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Ok, so What Im getting here is that you agree with the point I was making and had simply moved on to another without me. Cool.
What i'm getting is I tried to explain something and you latched onto the first foilable you found weither it linearly connected to what I was trying to point out or not... Not cool? The interaction between Mab and DR was always my focus.
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What i'm getting is I tried to explain something and you latched onto the first foilable you found weither it linearly connected to what I was trying to point out or not... Not cool? The interaction between Mab and DR was always my focus.
If you say so. This was always my only point:
I agree with that entirely. Im just trying to say there is a big difference between Lily activating a pre-existing element of the Island and Alfred exercising initiative with those structures. It's the same division of Power vs Authority that stopped him from Imprisoning Shagnasty even though he actively hated him, and the same reason Im sure that Alfred could free the inmates (because he literally is the walls and doors and locks) but he never Would without an outside agent (ideally the Warden) making the Choice and initiating the process.
If, when you jumped into that part of the conversation you were actually talking about something else, Sorry I missed your transition.
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If you say so. This was always my only point:
If, when you jumped into that part of the conversation you were actually talking about something else, Sorry I missed your transition.
My apologize on being a non linear being. i'm full of twists and sharp turns.
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Using uniqu and valuable materials make magical foci more powerful and last longer. The crystal produced on the island would definitly quality.
I am imagine a mobile pseudo sanctum, designed to contain potential inmates for travel to the island.
I'm picturing Harry running around with a large currier's tube on his back with a rolled up magic circle. He pulls it out, throws it to unroll it, and attempts to get the baddie to step onto it. LOL
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I'm picturing Harry running around with a large currier's tube on his back with a rolled up magic circle. He pulls it out, throws it to unroll it, and attempts to get the baddie to step onto it. LOL
Id go more the spring-wire style that Binder uses 8)
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Id go more the spring-wire style that Binder uses 8)
The one Binder uses is for a specific race/being. I could totally see Harry trying to have something that would be more general and stronger.
Then again, it could be like one of those spring loaded circles that some folks use for Frisbees, only ... bigger.
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The one Binder uses is for a specific race/being. I could totally see Harry trying to have something that would be more general and stronger.
Then again, it could be like one of those spring loaded circles that some folks use for Frisbees, only ... bigger.
I'd never really gotten the impression that Binder's wire was anything specific to his summon Army, or really anything more 'crafted' than the physical wire. In other words I'd thought it was just a faster and more portable version of a basic Chalk-line circle. But I could be entirely wrong about that, I cant really find anything to confirm or deny my old assumption.
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I'd never really gotten the impression that Binder's wire was anything specific to his summon Army, or really anything more 'crafted' than the physical wire. In other words I'd thought it was just a faster and more portable version of a basic Chalk-line circle. But I could be entirely wrong about that, I cant really find anything to confirm or deny my old assumption.
I'd be willing to bet that it has runes/sigils on it. I just seems like that would make summoning a specific race that much more easy, and that is Binder's style.
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I'd be willing to bet that it has runes/sigils on it. I just seems like that would make summoning a specific race that much more easy, and that is Binder's style.
True, I more got the sense that there was no more Easier to be had with that particular summoning trick, and since we hadnt seen him need it prior I had it pegged as just a convenience. But I could easily be wrong.
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I think with Harry's improved abilities at finer magic, and his connections with the Svartalves , he may be able to come up with a spring loaded circle with strong enough runes/sigils etched into it to use.