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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on October 08, 2017, 06:22:49 PM
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The discussion on if there was a Dragon in Changes got me thinking. That bloodline curse going off must have been like an earthquake on a supernatural scale. Do you think that something (Old God?) that may have been locked up, trapped, slumbering could have been awoken, or it's cell weakened by the equivalent of a magical nuke going off?
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I think there are a great many things set to awaken come Apocalyptic time. It's likely that bloodline curse and its nightmare aftereffects loosened the hold of sleep on an entity at CI and/or entities around the world.
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The Fomor were definitely more active after Changes as a direct result of the Red Court's extinction. But whether they had actually been asleep before or just kept in check by the Red Court is probably just a technicality at this point.
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They were definitely active before Changes per short story Even Hand with Marcone perspective.
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They were definitely active before Changes per short story Even Hand with Marcone perspective.
Also, per Bombshells, they were helping the Reds from the shadows, not being kept down by them.
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The Fomor were definitely more active after Changes as a direct result of the Red Court's extinction. But whether they had actually been asleep before or just kept in check by the Red Court is probably just a technicality at this point.
Or more like opportunists, not really held in check by the Red Court, but with their demise swept in to fill the power vacuum..
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Opportunities work best when you know when they are coming.
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Opportunities work best when you know when they are coming.
Do they? I think it is more the law of unexpected and unintentional consequences...
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If they were working with the Red Court, they most likely were preparing in the event they won the war and wiped out the White Council.
But they were definitely preparing. Aftermath takes place just hours after Changes, and in it Murphy finds an operation that has been going on for weeks already.
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The discussion on if there was a Dragon in Changes got me thinking. That bloodline curse going off must have been like an earthquake on a supernatural scale. Do you think that something (Old God?) that may have been locked up, trapped, slumbering could have been awoken, or it's cell weakened by the equivalent of a magical nuke going off?
That could explain what caused all the unease/bad dreams amongst the pregnant women of the world...
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The Fomor were definitely more active after Changes as a direct result of the Red Court's extinction. But whether they had actually been asleep before or just kept in check by the Red Court is probably just a technicality at this point.
Why not both. There are a lot of agendas out there that are both aligned and in conflict. The reds and the formor are not some minions of the black council and/or outsiders. They are allies - or dupes - or manipulated - or victims - or ... well you get the picture. But the key point is that each of these supernatural races are acting against the White Council because they see advantage in doing so. Advantage specific to their personal position (of the leaders), and their nation/species.
It is perfectly possible that the Formor are both helping the Reds and coveting the Red's territory at the same time. And it is perfectly possible that the Formor have "jumped the gun" from the outsider's perspective by trying to claim so much territory right now and stirring up the supernatural world before the outsiders are ready to support their efforts. Or maybe they are very closely aligned with outsider objectives. I am not sure myself.
One of the real nice elements of the Dresden series is that this is not a conflict of monoliths. The Red Court fell in part because of internal feuding. The White Court refused to support the war against the White Council due to their internal feuding. The White Council's response to the war was inconsistent/hesitant because of their internal feuding. The Summer and Winter Courts are not working closely together despite both playing a vital role in protecting the outer gates. This disunity at times helps and at times hurts the cause of humanity. But it always makes for more interesting stories.
The whole "game" of the outsiders is focused on manipulating the various supernatural nations into fighting - and distracting - each other, helped by a dose of nemfection to manipulate a few key players. None of these groups would believe they are doing the bidding of outsiders. I doubt even the black council believes that.
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That bloodline curse going off must have been like an earthquake on a supernatural scale. Do you think that something (Old God?) that may have been locked up, trapped, slumbering could have been awoken, or it's cell weakened by the equivalent of a magical nuke going off?
Interesting thought. I like it. Even if all it did was create ripples in the magical either, it disturbed a lot of powers and made a number of them take notice of events where otherwise they were not paying attention. That will have consequences.
The other possibility is that something important was weakened or damaged by the ripples of this magic. Some vital protection compromised. Some vital alarm turned off. Some beacon to allow something very dark to find this world. Fun stuff. :)
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I think there are a great many things set to awaken come Apocalyptic time. It's likely that bloodline curse and its nightmare aftereffects loosened the hold of sleep on an entity at CI and/or entities around the world.
I fully hope the Kaiju event to read like Godzilla Wars lol. One of the one's where it's a huge 5 way grudge match with some hapless mortals stuck in the middle, like Harry.
Yes, the shared nightmare always implied to me he disturbed something in dream land... Course in a way he definitely awoke the things from the Fomor court that coulda been slumbering beneath the sea,
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It was said the power of the rcv was from old gods, but heavily diluted. I wonder if there was some ancient progenitor, source of power or patron to them, that felt that curse as a strike to their power.
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I just had a thought: it is said that the RCVs kept the Fomor in check. I think it's assumed militarily. What if the Fomor feared the reds because the reds find them extremely tasty?
It was said the power of the rcv was from old gods, but heavily diluted. I wonder if there was some ancient progenitor, source of power or patron to them, that felt that curse as a strike to their power.
Or, that the reds were keeping the old gods weak by keeping them drained. With the reds gone, the power begins to build again.
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The Fomor were explicitly working with the Reds in the War.
The Reds didn't keep them "in check" specifically. There just wasn't room at the table for another power, so the Reds getting wiped out opened a spot the Fomor could jump into.
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That could explain what caused all the unease/bad dreams amongst the pregnant women of the world...
I consider that a Mandela effect mostly. All those mothers had a dream about the horrid reality harry just prevented....
Off direct topic but related, is the DF one of those books were it's said that giving birth to life is 'magical' in its own way or am I thinking something similar?
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Since the fall of the rcv, I have wondered where exactly did all their collected power go to. I can see the fomor attempting to claim it for themselves. I just don't see it dispersing, it had yo go somewhere.
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The Fomor were explicitly working with the Reds in the War.
The Reds didn't keep them "in check" specifically. There just wasn't room at the table for another power, so the Reds getting wiped out opened a spot the Fomor could jump into.
The situation changed after White Night. The white court was no longer a red court ally, not even in name. The red court needed new allies and didn't have to consider the white courts interests anymore, it drew them closer to the fomor. It took some time to draw the fomor in but at last at the beginning of changes they had such a beautiful unfaillable plan with so much overkill that it seemed a safe bet. Together they should destroy the white council and the white court and divide their turf. They coordinated their attack to start at exactly the same time.
The fomor attacked but by the time they were committed they discovered the red court was no more. This was not an attempt to fill the red courts vacuum because they when the attack started they did not know there would be one.
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The situation changed after White Night. The white court was no longer a red court ally, not even in name. The red court needed new allies and didn't have to consider the white courts interests anymore, it drew them closer to the fomor. It took some time to draw the fomor in but at last at the beginning of changes they had such a beautiful unfaillable plan with so much overkill that it seemed a safe bet. Together they should destroy the white council and the white court and divide their turf. They coordinated their attack to start at exactly the same time.
The fomor attacked but by the time they were committed they discovered the red court was no more. This was not an attempt to fill the red courts vacuum because they when the attack started they did not know there would be one.
But the Fomor supplied the nerve gas bomb the Red Court used in Dead Beat, way before White Night.
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But the Fomor supplied the nerve gas bomb the Red Court used in Dead Beat, way before White Night.
That is not really going to war together, that could be just business. like the US sold weapons to the UK, and not to its enemies, long before they really entered the war.
But yes they probably cooperated for some time but now the red court could just promise the white court territory.
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I'd view the events in Changes to have been more like a Match being touched to a fuse.
That fuse is now burning down to the actual kick-off of the BAT.
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Did Harry light the fuse or will he just get the blame for it?
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I'd view the events in Changes to have been more like a Match being touched to a fuse.
That fuse is now burning down to the actual kick-off of the BAT.
That's my view as well. Too much was set in motion.
Did Harry light the fuse or will he just get the blame for it?
I think that Harry cut a five-foot fuse, then respooled a six-foot fuse and lit that one instead when he killed the Red Court. I think the Reds were going to be a big part of things to come, and if they had killed Harry and Ebenezer AND carried out their supposed attack against Edinburgh AND were successful, things would degenerate much faster. Harry bought a little time, but then HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER with the Fomor.
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I think the Reds were already involved in their part of the plan and didn't know it. They were expected to decrease Council power, and their own power, so that others could step in and finish both.