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DF Spoilers / Re: Walker enslaving a Denarian, other ideas
« on: July 10, 2018, 12:04:26 PM »
Quote from: Snark Knight on July 07, 2018, 11:41:15 PM
No, that's correct. The wording of entropy curse in BR, when Raith's sorceress was summoning HWW Behind, called him an upper servant of the Lord of Slowest Terror.
I think the model is that the Outsiders are servants of the Old Ones that are locked asleep in reality rather than Outside with their servants, and the Walkers are leading the rest of their armies in trying to get back in and wake their lords up.
I think it's more that there are both those Old Ones locked Outside and those trapped and/or Sleeping Inside.  But Im not betting on the Outside contingent having no Old Ones among them.  Hell, Im not really sure any one reality could actually hold them all.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could the Blackstaff Cure a Warlock of Corruption?
« on: July 09, 2018, 12:48:53 PM »
To the OP:  There are two possibilities, and Im not sure how much either of them are proven.

1) The act of Performing the psychic surgery on a person might itself be Black Magic, so trying to cure it would be Tainting. I think this would only be a danger if they were trying it on an unwilling Warlock, as opposed to surgery on a willing target (like the Council had to do a bunch after TC). Same way the Mental Break-in training they started was not tainting the whole Council, because they were never truly breaking into an unwilling target.

2)The Blackstaff item itself can Cure a Warlock.  This is very possible, but only if the Blackstaff is actually sucking out the taint (as it appeared to me in Changes) rather than blocking it's initial infecting.  After that the question is whether the blackstaff can turn that power to another target or if it only works on the Bonded wielder. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: What's Odin's stake in things?
« on: July 06, 2018, 01:21:36 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on July 03, 2018, 07:36:58 PM
Oh ok.  Of course they didn't stake claim to the Island and might not have full access to said Ley Line! haha
Anyone touching the Island can access the Ley Line, be it a Denarian or Sharkface.  The Power boost of Claiming a Sanctum is a separate thing that is channeled though the spirit in question (Alfred in DR's case), and is something that Harry has been tapping ever since (at least he did a boatload of it during TC) where by contrast he'd very specifcally never tapped that Ley Line because he thinks it would change him in dark ways.  He's tapped the one at the Field Museum and at least one of the ones at CI, but those werent as qualitatively "Dark" of energy

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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG.... Murphy has moved on
« on: July 06, 2018, 12:16:08 PM »
Quote from: peregrine on July 06, 2018, 05:18:25 AM
I imagine Anduriel knows, thanks to the powers of being a fallen angel.
Id go with that.  They still follow Rules, just Rules that we wee mortals have difficulty understanding.  Or TWG informed the knights somewhere/somehow along the line (seems like the sort of thing the rules would allow the Knights to know). 

Quote from: groinkick on July 06, 2018, 02:13:22 AM
Yeah.  You know what's funny.  When Murphy made her error against Nicodemus, he in turn error'd against the Sword.  He took the Sword, and broke it on the ground because he didn't have Faith the Sword could work without the blade.  The correct way is to unmake the Sword by killing an innocent with it. 
That's how you destroy Amoracchius (aka the Sword of Love), which as cold-hearted murder of an innocent is arguably a supremely Loveless Act.  The Sword of Faith is Destroyed by Faithlessness, or an act of treachery (per SmF).  Im guessing the Sword of Hope would be destroyed by an Act of Despair where somebody would need to commit suicide on it. 

But the other aspect is that, per GP, a Swords destruction is a two-stage thing. First it needs to be made Vulnerable through mis-use, rendering it a mundane sword the way Harry did with Lea that time. Then, once a wielder has exposed it the final destruction can be done, which was where Mavra was going to murder an innocent with it.  It's possible that Nic was hoping Murphy's strike would be enough internal/emotional betrayal to do the deed, but I think it more likely that he just went for the lesser Win.  Even if the Sword's magic/spirit wasnt permanently destroyed it should have taken months or years to reforge the Sword into something that would actually threaten him; ensuring that one of the defunct swords stays defunct is a Win for him, especially now when all the Big powers are realizing the clock is almost out, so a few years more is all that really matters.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Walker enslaving a Denarian, other ideas
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:52:37 AM »
Quote from: vultur on July 06, 2018, 06:36:46 AM
That sounds right, because Harry describes HWWBefore/Sharkface as being not larger than Mab but horribly deeper, like a sculpture vs a painting... it has an extra dimension. That could mean that the presence of HHWBefore that Harry encounters is just like a "window" that the true being Outside is reaching through.

Also, when Harry blows up Sharkface's head, a weird cloud entity flies away and the body falls down dead. So what Harry fights might actually be two levels removed: a physical body possessed/animated by a projection of the true HWWBefore. That would explain how Harry could beat something that's on the same "destroy galaxies by blinking" level as Uriel.

Hmmm... if true, that's kind of reminiscent of Ursiel in Death Masks - the mental/spiritual presence in the soulgaze is utterly overwhelming, just like HWWBefore has a massive mental attack. If that parallel is valid (enormous raw "spiritual" power sharply limited by a physical form), then who or what was the Sharkface body originally? A human body mutated by the Outsider's possession? A Fomor or Fomor-servant?
There's a (possibly half-joking) WOJ that it was Vitto from WN.  Basically somebody asked if it was Vitto and he said something to the effect of "Oh that a really cool Ide- I mean YES! I meant it that way the whole time!"


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DF Spoilers / Re: Walker enslaving a Denarian, other ideas
« on: July 05, 2018, 01:31:01 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on July 03, 2018, 07:55:47 PM
Jim stating that a Walker is Archangel level of power could mean it would enslave a Denarian trapped in it's Coin.

Is that new?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Juxtaposition, Who fixed LC?
« on: July 05, 2018, 01:18:17 PM »
Quote from: morriswalters on July 03, 2018, 11:04:37 PM
Oops. :-[  I stand corrected.  Maybe.  But isn't his fire always laced with hellfire while Lash is on board?  Another thing to check with my next rereading.  If he doesn't get Peace Talks out soon I'm going to have My Dresden library memorized. :-\
Not always or innately, it has a specific visual change when he taps it, but by the end og things he'd gotten used to tapping it for just about everything.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What's Odin's stake in things?
« on: July 03, 2018, 07:35:26 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on July 03, 2018, 07:29:04 PM
Well I called it a ley line but is that what it actually is?  Gatekeeper warned Harry about it.  I suspect it something else....  Something like a drainage line that bleeds the prisoners power out somewhere else to keep them from escaping.  If Harry tapped into it I suspect he'd be tapping into the power of dark gods, and have their power at his disposal.
He'd be tapping into the magical equivalent of the /body heat/ of dark gods.  Not the same thing as actually tapping or controlling their real Power.  But yes, it is still just a ley line, the same one that Nic and all his magic-using nickleheads were tapping into during SmF without getting world-ending levels of power.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What's Odin's stake in things?
« on: July 03, 2018, 07:19:55 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on July 03, 2018, 06:22:40 PM
Would Harry even need to make a deal with a Mab level entity?  If a warlock tapped into that lay line running through there he could probably take down the world.
Nah, it's a damn strong Ley Line but by no means the strongest in the world, and most stronghold including Edinburgh and Chitzen Itza are situated on whole nexi of ley lines.  While a strong tactical resource, any one ley line is not unique enough in itself to challenge the world order.  Now, a pile of entities who's ambient presence alone leaks a ley line, that's a much stronger and rarer resource

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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG.... Murphy has moved on
« on: July 03, 2018, 07:15:54 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on July 03, 2018, 06:58:38 PM
Maybe for his family.  However Uriel's Grace did not fall so he didn't play with it at all.
Oh, agreed. I just meant that while he would certainly Die before he risked it he might not be willing to stand by and watch them die.  I think that is the only lever that might actually do it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG.... Murphy has moved on
« on: July 03, 2018, 06:47:50 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on July 03, 2018, 06:08:07 PM
Also Uriel made it clear not to "play with the controls".  Michael of all people would die before defying TWG's will.  He loves Harry very much but he'd let himself, and Harry both die before violating Uriel's words.  He'd have used it only so he could walk.
Devil's Advocate Statement: Until his Family is Threatened, at which point his priorities can potentially shift (see Warrior for an example).   If things had gone differently at the end there, if he were somehow certain Harry would failed and Nic would murder his family, I dont know that he'd have been able to hold himself back. He trusted Harry to get there in time and save the day, but gun to their heads and I think you could make him desperate enough to make a mistake.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Juxtaposition, Who fixed LC?
« on: July 03, 2018, 04:35:30 PM »
Quote from: forumghost on July 03, 2018, 03:31:47 PM
Also Harry is her bitch, so she probably had a standing invite until he settled his debt. (well, he wound up being even more in her debt by becoming her knight, but, y'know)
With the Knighthood maybe, that one has a lot more far-reaching and ill-defined obligation attached to it. But the Favors were very specific, even if it was backed by the Lea-link thanks to his broken oaths.

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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG.... Murphy has moved on
« on: June 30, 2018, 05:00:19 PM »
Quote from: forumghost on June 26, 2018, 02:17:18 AM
*rolls eyes*

Yes, because that's what Butters needs. More Powerups.

It's not enough that he's a Magitech Jedi Batman MMORPG Protagonist.
One, Butters is the new era dv JesusBruceLeeChrist so show some respect (:P). 

On a more serious note, Lay-On-Hands healing has long been a Paladin Trope, even Michael healed/resurrected Harry that time, so it wouldnt actually be much of a stretch in the right context.   

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DFRPG / Re: Need help with aspects please....
« on: June 30, 2018, 04:57:32 PM »
Ooh, interesting!  If your Power's Purpose is to be Santa Claus's "Eyes and Ears in the World", I think that would basically make you The Keeper of the List  and the one responsible for sorting the Naughty from the Nice.  Maybe you roam around with an artifact that reads the fate state of those around you (the First Check), or maybe your job is to personally investigate those that are on the borderline (The Second Check). 

If you are the Keeper of the List and responsible for the Sorting, what say you have a trouble were you are being "aggressively recruited" by the Krampus who wants the list (and thus you) to leave Santa's service and come over to him so that Christmas can once again focus on Pushing the Naughty rather than Rewarding the Nice.

Since he has inherited a Winter Fae mantle from his Father it would imply that he was already at least a little bit of a Changeling in normal circumstances, is that a path worth exploring?  Does his Mother factor in at all?


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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Saint Patrick still be running around?
« on: June 30, 2018, 04:48:01 PM »
Keep in mind that nothing about the definition of Saint that we've been given indicates it would be specific to TWG or the Angel team.  It /could/ I guess, though that Team has a lot of rules about intervention so it'd be trickier than the more 'pagan' options. I doubt Soulfire plays a role that often, given that it took a major breach by Satan himself to allow for it. I think the real critical thing is that it's a blending of normal magic and Faith Magic, maybe even /Sponsored Magic/ to use the rpg term.

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