So... I saw this in another group and wanted to put it out here. Since Kemmler's students have the ability to body switch. What if Kemmler did that to Justin Du Moore?I doubt it for one reason: Somewhere between Bob being "lost" when Kemmler was taken down and DB when Harry first awakened the remnant. In that scene in DB Bob said he was compelled to Forget a bunch of his time with Kemmler, and to suppress the rest. Since it took his Owners order to compel that sort of mutilation later on, I expect it took the same thing the first time. The only explanation for that I can think of is that Necrobob didnt like Justin any more than he did Harry, and Justin was forced to expel as much of that personality as he could, only unlike Harry he was concerned with the Knowledge he might gain from Kemmler so he didnt fully commit.
Kemmler masqueraded Justin including taking in Harry -etc.
It would explain why he kept Bob around as well as clarifying why he'd be into the dark magic.
After all there seem to be 2 versions of Justin that people saw. The warden that took down Kemmler and fulfilled his duties AND the jerk who appeared to have gone warlock before getting killed and having a secret apprentice that he never told the 7 laws to.
I realize what you are saying, but I have to say that if we see Justin again, and it's not in a memory or something like that, I'll be disappointed.My pet theory is if Kemmler really did leave the info in Bob about how to summon your alternate reality versions, Didn't kemmler 'die' six times? The theory the 7th version Is equal to or greater than the summoner. I think we got alternate reality Kemmler alive after Kemmler made the same mistake as MM Harry.
Jim has made it pretty clear that Justin is gone. Granted that may mean his spirit/soul, but if his body is being used by someone else, It'll be too similar to the CT/Luccio thing, and it's a "been there, done that" kind of thing.
Yeah, I mean...if Jim lied, he'd be like the first writer in history to lie for the sake of not spoiling the story. The very first. Ever.
Also Jim is famously quoted as saying Justin is dead, before spelling out D-E-D. Maybe he's just being funny, but that's not how you spell dead.
He's also spent a lot of time showing us that dead is a spectrum.
It blows my mind the way people will dissect every little thing down to microscopic parts, and so few are willing to consider that maybe he's just lying to preserve the reveal.
If Kemmler were Cowl why would he need Bob, The Word, or anything else to enact the Dark Hallow because, unless my memory is off, he invented the spell.That's an excellent point. There are circumstantial answers, but none that I can think of with actual support.
That's an excellent point. There are circumstantial answers, but none that I can think of with actual support.good point. The suggestion of Simon being Cowl instead of being dead like people first thought is intriguing. I mean the rot could refer to all the damage Peabody was doing and its expanding effects.
Possibilities might be: Memory loss from Body-hopping? Or simple human fallibility and requiring his original research notes? Though the simplicity of the spell itself according to Harry might make that unlikely.
good point. The suggestion of Simon being Cowl instead of being dead like people first thought is intriguing. I mean the rot could refer to all the damage Peabody was doing and its expanding effects.Initially he was interested in keeping the Erlking book from the others, but Im not convinced he actually didnt want the Power. Especially if Bob is correct and only Cowl knew the whole truth of how it needed to go down. He's the one that knew about Halloween (possibly), knew about Bob as a backup Word, etc. If he was trying to stop it he could have Not clocked Harry and freed the Erlking, Not done a proper job on the city-wide hex, among other opportunities.
And Harry hadnt met Simon so that could make sense.
Initally if I remember Cowl was more interested in stopping others and if in the process he got the power he could 'set things right' but that doesnt explain his summoning of the demon in white knight.
If we're opening the door to alternate universe versions meddling, I think Id rather an Ebeneezer AlernaCoy out to steal the the prime-dv's Blackstaff.
I'll grant you that illusions can explain a lot, but the physical description isn't close to Eb.Shapeshifting mishap? Cowl is described as barely sounding Human (which honestly now invokes a more Fomor Servator vibe now, for me).
Shapeshifting mishap? Cowl is described as barely sounding Human (which honestly now invokes a more Fomor Servator vibe now, for me).the tongue thing makes me think he's a changed red who refuses let go of his humanity, to explain the mortal magic. That's the only viable pure 'Simon' theory to me.
the tongue thing makes me think he's a changed red who refuses let go of his humanity, to explain the mortal magic. That's the only viable pure 'Simon' theory to me.Ooh, interesting idea. Are you thinking he was changed to make him complicit prior to GP and he hid it until SK, or was he already complicit and was turned during or after he faked his death?
Ooh, interesting idea. Are you thinking he was changed to make him complicit prior to GP and he hid it until SK, or was he already complicit and was turned during or after he faked his death?They forced it on him to have a powerful new recruit who understood Council magic perhaps? Harry talks about how bad such a thing would be in DB on a warden, what about a WC member? Which would mean his vendetta against the corruption in the council includes and is probably driven by, whatever asshat betrayed him to the Red's. Even though it changed him not only physically, but as a person. I don't think he stopped being himself. As an older wizard his stubbornness of personality was greater than the demon they rebirthed him as.
They forced it on him to have a powerful new recruit who understood Council magic perhaps? Harry talks about how bad such a thing would be in DB on a warden, what about a WC member? Which would mean his vendetta against the corruption in the council includes and is probably driven by, whatever asshat betrayed him to the Red's. Even though it changed him not only physically, but as a person. I don't think he stopped being himself. As an older wizard his stubbornness of personality was greater than the demon they rebirthed him as.If that was true, would he help the Reds? He didn't necessarily want the Erlking book, he only wanted it destroyed. Which suggests to me that he knew the author, one Samuel Peabody.
They forced it on him to have a powerful new recruit who understood Council magic perhaps? Harry talks about how bad such a thing would be in DB on a warden, what about a WC member? Which would mean his vendetta against the corruption in the council includes and is probably driven by, whatever asshat betrayed him to the Red's. Even though it changed him not only physically, but as a person. I don't think he stopped being himself. As an older wizard his stubbornness of personality was greater than the demon they rebirthed him as.Hmmm...
Hmmm...How is he doing that?(click to show/hide)
How is he doing that?
Well what can I say, I didn't think out my alternative theory too well.(click to show/hide)
Well what can I say, I didn't think out my alternative theory too well.Dont give up now, there's always a tinfoil hat Crack-theory reason for this sort of thing, we just have to dig deep enough!
I like it, Jonas.Nah, "Lords of the Outer Night" was just the name for the upper tier vampires of the Red Court, the Red king and his immediate cadre.
To give it further credence ...(click to show/hide)
I go with the latter. Already turned.Nah, that was Lord of Slowest Terror, and by context sounds like HWWBh's Boss.
And wasn't some of what Genosa's first wife (I forget her name) in Blood Rites about the Lords of Outer Night while she was calling HWWB?
Nah, that was Lord of Slowest Terror, and by context sounds like HWWBh's Boss.Yea I always figure that as one of those original names for(click to show/hide)
Yea I always figure that as one of those original names foroooh, I like that(click to show/hide)
You know what that put me in a mind of ...I'm of the idea that would be kinda hard, cause(click to show/hide)
I'm of the idea that would be kinda hard, causeElevated to that level he sounds closer to Zuvran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zurvanism) who, to put it in DV terms, might be the father of TWG and his evil brother Ahriman. You might also be able to equate him with Ymir (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ymir), the norse Giant that was killed to create the world.(click to show/hide)
I'm of the idea that would be kinda hard, cause(click to show/hide)
Still doesn't preclude Harry meeting Chronos. Perhaps just an avatar of him, like Ferrofax?I'd like to see a clock obsessed man in this role, perhaps a maker of fine time pieces himself.
The Greek gods will be in the wrestling book.
Gotcha. Still, I'd like to see that.Me too. I am looking forward to the Mirror universe, the Kaiju book and the Pro Wrestling book.
Me too. I am looking forward to the Mirror universe, the Kaiju book and the Pro Wrestling book.This...wow, that makes me laugh so hard. ;D
I think that Peace Talks is one of those important game changing factor books which is why it cant be rushed. Other lighter books like Skin Game, Proven Guility are faster to write because they dont have as much major storyline stuff occuring. I think that ll be the same case with Pro Wrestling and Kaiju. because if I am not wrong, after those 4 it ll be time for the Trilogy.
This...wow, that makes me laugh so hard. ;D
Based on the average Crack Theory around here, that one has more "Major Storyline Stuff" packed in per word than nearly any other book in the series. I'd say Cold Days tops it, Grave Peril by pure lasting implication, maybe not Changes (oddly enough?), on the fence about Ghost Story...
now, if you'd said Grave Peril, I'd agree wholeheartedly, but Proven Guilty?If I can find 10% of the resources I used to have on PG, you might have just inspired me to write something up, just fer you. :)
now, if you'd said Grave Peril, I'd agree wholeheartedly, but Proven Guilty?Time Travel implications (actually on the page), winter AND summer machinations that still havent been explained, anonymous attacks, First hints of Nemesis, the mysterious Fixing of Little Chicago, Harry beating the Merlin at Politics, Harry personally pissing off the Merlin by beating him with politics, Charity actually /trusting/ Harry, all of Molly....
Oh, I know, Q, but it seems like we are still getting revelations about the Masquerade Party in GP.Oh, agreed on that. It still made my top three :)
I am still waiting for Kumori to unmask as Elaine and say I was in your home in GP; that is how I know about your wards in SK.More simple, they learned from the same master, so when
This...wow, that makes me laugh so hard. ;DSure if you are wanting hints -etc.
Based on the average Crack Theory around here, that one has more "Major Storyline Stuff" packed in per word than nearly any other book in the series. I'd say Cold Days tops it, Grave Peril by pure lasting implication, maybe not Changes (oddly enough?), on the fence about Ghost Story...