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DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl's Identity [FPOTM2 11.2016]
« on: November 16, 2016, 01:46:53 AM »
Oh absolutely not, The whole point is that he's the /least/ relevant character I can think of.

Sorry, I proally should have added a wink emoticon to that or something :)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl's Identity [FPOTM2 11.2016]
« on: November 15, 2016, 07:58:45 PM »
There's a part of me that hopes it turns out to be Darth Wannabe or one of his friends.  Mostly because of the look of incredulity on Harry's face when he recognized him, then realized that his archrival in a cowl does in fact have a dark mark tattoo.

Are you saying you changed your vote for most relevant short story?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl's Identity
« on: November 15, 2016, 03:19:03 PM »
  I just do not think he is anyone we know..

So choice 2?


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DF Spoilers / Re: Cowl's Identity
« on: November 15, 2016, 02:15:44 PM »
Ugg.  This one certainly is due for a rerun... I wish you'd waited until December like I asked though ;)

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Site Suggestions & Support / Re: Forum Code advice and other Forum FAQ
« on: November 09, 2016, 01:19:34 PM »
mmm, I posted something in a new thread, no links, but it didn't show up the first time I went back to that section, it appeared like five minutes later. Just wondering cause I'd never seen that happen.

Wizardofnelson,

     That did happen more than once when I posted. Sometimes the 'hang' is only a minute, sometimes longer.

::) :-X ::)


Yah, unprompted mod action of 5 minutes or less would be an outlier methinks. 

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Site Suggestions & Support / Re: Forum Code advice and other Forum FAQ
« on: November 08, 2016, 07:40:51 PM »
Quote from: brand spanking new account created specifically to ask this question
Does anyone know what's going on with the next Dresden Files novel?

Pretty much all the public information about Jim's next DF book is contained in my review of it on goodreads
Peace Talks review

I've put just about everything public on the subsequent books and short works in my review of the book 17
Mirror Mirror review

There are a few updates I need to make on that one though.

Note:  That information will be dated eventually.  I'll try to rewrite this post when the next book is released to account for that. -Serack

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Site Suggestions & Support / Re: Forum Code advice and other Forum FAQ
« on: November 08, 2016, 07:38:20 PM »
Did they change the forum procedure to need a mod to sing off on all new threads before they appear to the public or am I just a 'suspicious profile'?

As noqueixis stated, when you start a new topic, the browser window you start it in will hang up, but the post new topic will go up on the boards, which is a bug of the SMF code used by the forums.

However, if your new topic has a link in it, it /will/ require a mod to approve it.  This helps prevent exposing our forum members to bots with malicious links.

I've posted a work-around for this issue, but I don't keep it in this topic to add a layer of insulation between it and the botters.  I'll dig it up and PM you with it.

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As for the Miskani, we still don't know that they breed together. 
  • The Miksani might sire/birth children with mortals and take them back to their tribe.
  • The Miksani might coexist within a mortal tribe they look like; there might have been mortal spouses present at the funeral.

The narrative only acknowledged the two "adolescent" Miksani who had already been seen in cormorant form, the cormorant's in the rafters, and the spouse of the deceased (who could have been mortal). 

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General thoughts on the OP:

Lea:  I thought we had a WOJ that she wasnt a mantled creature and had just ridden Mab's coattails to power?

With regard to procreation and especially Mama Summer's comments, I'd caution against the assumption that Mortal=Human or that procreation=sexual reproduction in all cases.  I could, for example, see Half-animal fae mating with their animal side just as easily as the human, and in the case of say Malks I could see them getting it on with mortal Cats.  I dont really (want to) see the Rawhead mating sexually at all, and imagine it more that he takes in a human corpse and sort of buds a new rawhead off itself asexually. 

I also dont necessarily think that the fae need to procreate at the rates and in the numbers that Humans do, which would skew the population calcs.  In Cold Case there were only 1/2 Dozen children in the group, but that might be on the low side for their average tribute as compared to times when they havent spent years under the heel of Sleeper-cultists.  And I wouldnt rule out the possibility that they might hatch whole clutches of children at a time rather than the 1-2 birth range of humans. Malks probably have cat-sized litters, and if toot started as a little blinking Elidee Im imagining dewdrop fairies spawning more on the scale of insects that come in batches of thousands if not millions.

Oooooooh, yah that's a great data point.

I think I managed to address most of your other thoughts in the fleshing out of the theory section.

Edit:  Also, can you tell that not being able to discuss this stuff for so long has been rather painful for me?

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So building off of the above information, here are the theories I'm working on.  I'll flesh them out within this post.

Theories:  So what can we theorize about Fae Procreation, Life Cycle, and the pertinence of their Social Structure on these things.  where do all the Faeries come from?

Internal Sterility:
Data Point 2 above, quoting Mother Summer has her say, "We conceive our children with mortals."  It is my theory, that part of the power that comes with "Choosing" to become a fay is a measure of functional immortality.  Fae might not necessarily be ageless (See eldest gruff) but rather than get old and die, the seem to... ripen.  The flip side of this functional immortality is that they are sterile with each other, and require coupling with a true mortal to pro-create. 

I note that Mab said to Molly at the end of Cold Case:
Quote from: Cold Case
"What happened?"  I asked.  "What happened?"
Mab regarded Carlos with a calm countenance.  "What will happen every time you attempt to be with a man," she replied.

This theory implies she meant a "mortal man."  Thus the Sidhe on the boat at the beginning of the story weren't at risk of suffering Carlos' fate.

Standard changeling
Pretty self evident, this theory is that Fae come from couplings between Fae and mortals.  #3 above shows that such a match can in some situations result in changelings from generations other than just the initial one.  There are a couple kinks with this theory though.

First how would Malks and other heavily beast like Fae procreate?  I think it's pretty clear they don't have a human form since Grimalkin didn't assume a more human form when he served as Mab's voice.  I think there are 3 or 4 possibilities for how they procreate, from most to least likely
  • Hidden Peoples theory (see below)
  • Procreation with beasts:  I suspect that Fae/mortal couplings producing changelings require the "mortal" half of the pair to have some form of free will/soul/something... I sometimes refer to this as having a requisite metaphysical mass...  It's possible DF kitties fit the bill, but I doubt it.
  • Shape Shifting:  Unlikely, but if the above assumption that Grimalkin doesn't have a human form is incorrect, then this becomes a possible avenue
  • Spontaneous Pixy Generation:  I actually think this is a viable Fae Genesis rout, but probably not for this kind of fae.  See below for details.

The second kink in exclusively relying on only mortal changelings is the existence of tiny dew-drop faries.  This is why I've developed the Spontaneous Pixy Generation theory which I will expound on in a separate section.

Hidden Peoples
With the Miksani as a possible example, it seems that there is a possibility that there are communities of Fae beings that don't reside in the Fae Realms but instead live on the Mortal Plane as "Hidden Peoples."  It is my suspicion that while living almost wholly upon the mortal plane, these communities don't wholly embrace the fae quazi immortality discussed above in the internal infertility theory above.  It is possible that members of these communities exist on a spectrum of Fae/Changeling/mortal nature where some members may be more fae, and some may be more mortal. 

It's entirely likely that they have a wholly mortal group of believers in their mythology that they rely on to keep their mortal blood fresh by indoctrinating members into it.  Or on another end of the spectrum, there may be Mortal communities with mythologies about certain fae, who also share bits of Fae blood in their heritage as a communal group, and in certain situations, the blood will manifest and bring them to their fae nature.  Think the Werewolves in *shudder* Twilight. 

The point is, I think it is likely that the "Hidden Peoples" are more mortal than the typical, living on the NN Plane faeries, and aren't hit by the internal infertility wammy.  Communally they are mortal enough, or have mortal enough members of their community to make babies on their own.  If they are sent to the Gates though, they probably embrace their Fae nature more fully and would no longer be "mortal enough."

Spontaneous Pixy Generation
As mentioned above, it seems almost impossible that "dew-drop" fairies like Toot-toot, and to a more extreme extent ones like the ant sized Elidee Toot summons to guide Harry in Summer Knight could come from changelings. 

As a teenager, I was fascinated with the experiments performed by those embracing the Scientific Method to debunk the concept of spontaneous generation.  From Jan Baptist van Helmont's experiments with meat, cheese cloth, and maggots in the 1600s to Louis Pasture's experiments with broth and bacteria in the 1800s.  It is almost foreign now to think that in ancient times, people thought vermin could appear on their own without progenitors, but that was the case and it fascinated me. 

Well since fairy tales don't care about the scientific method, and since Harry literally called Toot-Toot a "dew-drop fairy" in Storm Front, perhaps his genesis literally came from a dew-drop.  I like to think that the genesis was catalyzed from some child's fantastical belief that the dew drop was magical and contained a mystical being.  I.E. a fairy.  From there, these miniscule pixies gain significance by doing things like collecting baby teeth from children, or harnessing energy from orgies or playing pranks on humans or something, until they get to be Toots size...

I have strong suspicions that Toot's growth through the series is directly related to this process, and it will somehow be pivotal to how the BAT plays out. 

Similarly, the Raw-Head could have spontaneously generated from mortal fears and nightmares of the carrion outside a butcher's shop...

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When I first read Cold Case, I made the following note

Quote
Further thoughts about the age thing. Pretty much all the fae have been
presented as immortal, although not necessarily ageless when considering
the progression of gruffs… That the Miksani appear to have elders,
children, and apparent adolescents implies a more mortal like life cycle.
Makes me wonder how this stuff works… Especially since according to Mother
Summer and [WoJ] in the past, they procreate using mortals
and changelings.

Now that the story is released, it's time for me to get to business with the actual theorizing...  (more to come)

Data points:  These are bits of information about various fae and their natures with respect to their reproduction, life cycle, and social structure
  • Eldest:
    Quote from: 2014 AMA
    The mantle of Eldest is an important one in Faerie, and yes, it would pass on should its bearer perish.
    Examples:
    • Eldest Gruff
    • Cat Sith
    • Eldest Fetch
    • (theoretically) Lea
  • Mother Summer quote from Cold Days about relationship between Fae and Mortals
    Quote from: Cold Days Chapter 33
    It is at times very difficult to be so closely interwoven with mortals," she said.
    "For you?"
    "For all of Faerie," she replied.
    "What do you mean?"
    She gestured at herself. "we appear much as humans, do we not?  Most of our folk do--or else they resemble another creature of the mortal world.  Hounds, birds, stags, and so forth."
    "Sure," I said.
    "You are endlessly fascinating.  We conceive our children with mortals.  We move and sway in time to the mortal seasons.  We dance to mortal music, make our homes like mortal dwellings, feast upon mortal foods.  We find parts of ourselves becoming more like them, and yet we are not like them.  Many of the things they think and feel, and a great many of their actions, are inexplicable to us."
  • Changelings don't necessarily have to be first generation.  It could be a from a Fae Grandparent or maybe even farther back
    Question among my @HarriedWizard RPG group for @longshotauthor : would changelings be sterile? and if not how would the genetics work?
    @DeusSolis @HarriedWizard No, not at all.  And cautiously.
    @DeusSolis @HarriedWizard :D Consider it a dormant gene group that could potentially be activated by environmental exposure.
    @longshotauthor @HarriedWizard So a half-elf changeling could have kids that when exposed 2 faerydom, child could exhibit faery qualities?
    @DeusSolis @HarriedWizard Yeah, though they'd need more exposure the wider the generation gap was. It would be impractical at some point.
  • Wealth of conflicting WoJ that Mab used to be a human, all Fae have some mortal nature, and conversely that she and all sidhe had origins like Toot Toot
    (click to show/hide)
  • List of known Changelings and their likely progenitors
    • Ace:  Redcap
    • Meryl:  Troll
    • Lilly:  Nymph?
    • Fix:  Gnome?
    • Sarissa/Maeve:  Mab
    • Molly?: ?? (see Twitter WoJ above)
  • Bestiary:  This list will have three sections.  Those that seem impossible to have mated and thus procreated with/from humans (Nonstandard).  Fuzzy middle
    • Standard Changelings:  Those that seem impossible to have mated and thus procreated with/from humans.  It's possible some of these use glamor to get it on...
      • Sidhe
        • Mab
        • Redcap
        • Leananshidhe
      • Gnomes
      • Jenny Greenteeth
      • Gruffs
        Quote from: 2009 signing
        Q:  The first gruffs seem to be different from the later sets in terms of looks, smell, and fighting approach.  Were they sent by someone different?
        A:  No, they’re part of the same family.  The first are just the newer gruffs, those most recent from being Changelings.
      • Trolls
      • Ogre
      • Fetches?
      • Dryads
    • Nonstandard: Those that seem impossible to have mated and thus procreated with/from humans.  It's possible some of these were shape shifted when encountered in the books, and can shift to a more Sidhe like form like Redcap's falcon buddies, or the Miksani
      • Malks
      • Otters
      • Giant Bees
      • Dew-Drop Fairies
      • Raw-Head
    • Fuzzy Middle:  Mostly quadrupeds that also have anthropomorphic tendencies.
      • Centaurs
  • The example of the Miksani:  Things of note for this reference are:
    • The Miksani are a "Hidden Peoples of the Winter Court." 
    • Community appears to reside wholly upon the Mortal Plane.
    • Apparent family/tribal structure with members at various points in a life cycle.  "Elders," "Children," apparent "adolescents"
    • Shape Shifters (cormorant)
    • Apparent Non European mythology background
    • Pay "Tribute" in the form of children to man the armies at the Outer Gates
  • Serack's Origins of the Sidhe reference topic
    The linked topic is my attempt to build a reference topic that does some very heavy lifting when it comes to collecting ideas from all kinds of mythological sources other than just the Dresden Files. 

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Reference: Character Foreshadowing
« on: November 01, 2016, 02:03:20 PM »
I treat words like bullets.  If I have my target in sight, I use them sparingly.  If I use a lot, it often means I'm shooting from the hip in the dark through a screen on a rocking boat at sea during a storm trying to hit a silhouette weaving drunkenly to ad fro on the distant horizon

Or in this case, not entirely sold on the defense I've undertaken.   ;)

That's a lot of words.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Reference: Character Foreshadowing
« on: November 01, 2016, 01:11:24 AM »
For what it's worth, his landlady made some sort of 'there you are' comment when he saved her from the house fire in Changes.

Potential "There you are" foreshadowings are raidem's baby.  That's actually why I chose that portion of the quote to call it out with.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Reference: Character Foreshadowing
« on: October 31, 2016, 07:53:45 PM »
Santa is also mentioned in Restoration of Faith:

This may not count as the sort of character foreshadow you are looking for, but there was Harry's odd sense of familiarity with Demonreach in SmF, as a foreshadow to his eventual claiming of it in TC.

Would Inner-Harry's wardrobe be considered foreshadowing, given that he does eventually get a black leather duster?  Speaking of him, he was thr first guy to say "No matter where you go, there you are" to Harry, before Uriel did later.  That reeks of foreshadowing, but I couldnt begin to guess what of. 

Santa:  Restoration of Faith kinda seems redundant...  I'm considering it though.

Demonreach:  That was so in your face, and fulfilled the next book...  and as you say, less about the other characters... I dunno.

Id Harry:  Meh.

"There you are":  I'm considering a section of speculative foreshadowing, but that's a bit of a rabbit hole.  Considering the Molly/winter detail, the opening and closing sections of the books may be good places to mine for such things...

Murphy having Japanese swords above her fireplace in SK should probably count as foreshadowing.
More like a Chekov's squirt gun... Especially since her sword skill ended up being inferior to the task...

Maybe Lea's mention of Molly as a worthwhile acquisition, back in GP?
Excellent!

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