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DF Spoilers / Re: "Conjure by it at your own risk."
« on: September 27, 2017, 03:57:12 PM »


  I think it is a hint at how powerful Harry will ultimately become..   Another hint was in Cold Days, the image Harry showed of himself in his head when he fought Sharkface on Demonreach..  He was not afraid to say who he was loudly and clearly, he was quite terrifying...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Marcone's Age @ SF
« on: September 27, 2017, 01:51:47 AM »
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    He was an inch or two above average height, and had looked like an extremely fit forty-year-old ever since I had known him.


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    He looked like a man in his mature prime, neat and precise from his haircut to his polished leather shoes.


One has to ask, what age is considered "prime?"   That has different meanings depending on the age and sex of the observer, it could mean anywhere from mid to late twenties to fifty...  I looked it up and physically prime is considered around the age of 30-35, but mentally/emotional prime it can be as old as fifty to sixty..   So it is possible that Marcone is in his mid to late thirties when Harry meets him in Storm Front, and is between fifty and sixty years of age as of Skin Game..  He is in good health, no doubt works out, so he may look like a man in his early forties...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Molly still have her soul?
« on: September 26, 2017, 06:54:05 PM »
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It can be the thing Bob sees that you can exchange with other humans while hugging them or it can be an abstract thing, the essence of your being as Mother Summer describes it. Becoming evil can be described as loosing your soul because you are no longer the person you were so your essential You-ness is gone but you are still something.

  However does that mean you no longer have a soul?   Turning the argument on it's head, an evil person can repent and gain redemption, their "you-ness" has also totally changed.. So did they gain a soul?  They indeed had a "You-ness" before, but it was evil...   There are dark souls out there as well...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Marcone's Age @ SF
« on: September 26, 2017, 06:47:54 PM »
Given this WOJ:"@BillyYank Marcone was a Marine", I really don't see Marcone on active duty as a Marine from the time of Amanda Beckitt's shooting onward. During this time, he is actively fighting to take over a criminal enterprise.  Therefore, he served as a Marine prior to his appearance as quoted below:Or, he joined the Marines after the shooting but didn't serve a full term, or much of a term at all. 
So, Marcone's age for me is at least 31-35 during SF, that is the lower limit then. Harry is 25 during SF per Priscilla timeline.

That said, we actually didn't see Marcone appearance in the shootout which "a very, very young-looking Marcone" is based off of; we saw his appearance via a soulgaze between Harry and Helen Beckitt. 

Young looking is also very subjective,   some people have the kind of face that appears very young well into their thirties.. Others begin to look middle aged at thirty..

The man that Harry meets seems to me to be closer to forty if not older verses closer to thirty..

Which story is this from?  Was it a short story I don't recognize the initials for it.
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    He wasn't wearing a business suit. He had on jeans and a black leather jacket. His hair was longish, a little mussed, and he also sported a stubble of beard that gave him the kind of rakish look that would attract attention from the girls who fantasized about indulging with a bad boy.

Or, he joined the Marines after the shooting but didn't serve a full term, or much of a term at all. 

And where exactly is it placed in the book timeline?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Does Molly still have her soul?
« on: September 26, 2017, 11:26:57 AM »

   Though with the death of Maeve, Mab showed some vulnerability and admitted to Harry she was "human" once.  Kringle then warned Harry never to to tell anyone what he witnessed in Mab or have that kind of confrontation in front of anyone because she is very proud.   Hint of still having a soul?  Or just a frank admission that she was human at one time?

I think we are confusing behavior with facts..   One can have a soul and still act coldly, badly, or down right evil, the way that Denarians act for the most part under the influence of their coins, yet they still have souls.. Or at least the Nights of the Cross think so, their primary mission is the attempt to help them give up their coins and start on the road to redemption..

So having said all of that, does Mab still have a soul?  If she does she'll never admit to it... Does Molly?  I'd say she does and I doubt that she will lose it...

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry/Marcone Relationship
« on: September 25, 2017, 11:07:02 PM »
We know MacFinn was in Vietnam.  Don't know about Marcone though.

Yes, and he was an older guy,  being a Loop may have allowed him to age more slowly like wizards.. Marcone however is a vanilla mortal as far as we know.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry/Marcone Relationship
« on: September 25, 2017, 03:25:11 PM »
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Now for Marcone
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    @BillyYank Marcone was a Marine. [Age>17 when he entered service]

I'm having some difficulty making some of the facts we know about Marcone mesh.
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    I looked over my shoulder to see a very, very young-looking Marcone.
    He wasn't wearing a business suit. He had on jeans and a black leather jacket. His hair was longish, a little mussed, and he also sported a stubble of beard that gave him the kind of rakish look that would attract attention from the girls who fantasized about indulging with a bad boy.

Why? Because he was busy taking over the criminal enterprise in Chicago after that shootout or so I suppose and the shootout wasn't that much earlier than Storm Front.

Age is important to determine whether or not he served in Viet Nam...    The fall of Saigon happened in 1975..  That was forty-two years ago, if Marcone entered the service at 18 and served in Viet Nam, the youngest he could be is 60, most likely he is older if the claim is he saw combat..  I didn't get the impression that Marcone was that much older than Harry, but that is merely an impression,  is there better information out there?   As to entering at age 17, I believe he'd need parental consent to do so, I cannot imagine his crime family parents giving that.. But I could be wrong about that as well.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry/Marcone Relationship
« on: September 25, 2017, 11:20:16 AM »
From what I recall he was a marine in Vietnam.  Though I might be getting Michael carpenter confused in with the woj.  You definitely remembered correctly that he was a marine.

Yeah, it doesn't sound right that Marcone was a marine in Viet Nam...   Does anyone know what his age is?  That would tell us a lot about whether he was or not.. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Starborn idea
« on: September 25, 2017, 06:52:37 AM »
Margret knew Harry would be a starborn, and made that pentagram just for him. He has used it as a focus before, I wonder if she might have made it just for a starborn.


If I remember correctly Harry's pentagram belonged to Margaret, or so he keeps saying..  It is one of the few physical things supposedly handed down to him from her.  But then again Thomas also wears a pentagram identical to the one Harry wears, well not quite, his now has a road map gem of the Ways in it.  So she must have had them made for her boys..  As far as we know, Thomas isn't starborn and Margaret wasn't starborn, yet they wear and wore a pentagram.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 24, 2017, 09:49:52 PM »
Probably not that much older than Cassius, time enough to be saved if the dresdenverse follows Christian mythology.

  I am not so sure that that is true, we do know that Nic has been around from the beginning, but don't remember much evidence that shows that to be true for Cassius.  Who knows, just giving up coin and noose as a sacrifice to save another might be enough..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Denarian Dresden
« on: September 24, 2017, 11:11:21 AM »
The difference is that  Every time we learn to understand Mab a little bit better we get a better understanding why she is doing what she does and why it is important.

Every time we learn to understand Nicodemus and the denarians better we better understand that the best thing Nicodemus can do is drop the coin and get out of it.
Then rapidly turn to dust...  He is a couple of thousand years old after all.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Grimm Fairy Tales
« on: September 24, 2017, 10:58:57 AM »
All the translations I've got a super kid friendly and super christianised

Widen your search, even Wikipedia tells of the earlier version from Greek mythology, with links..  I also found a German version where Cinderella is really a tough witch with some vengeful birds, that is the one with the cutting of toes and heels to fit the shoe.  The stepmother had a fascination with lentils of all things.

On Amazon try, "Cinderella All 29 Versions," you can get it on Kindle..  Not all are cleaned up Christian versions..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Grimm Fairy Tales
« on: September 24, 2017, 04:50:56 AM »
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Yet to find the legendary Grimm and Gruesome tales of Cinderella's Step-sisters cutting off their own feet. I've download 1810 and 1812 translations, but I still seem to be getting the watered down version. Even though a couple are clearly academic standard discussing the merits and nuances of a particular word in German translated to English. Love those footnotes.

I remember hearing that version when I was a child, wonder if it was censored to fit more modern tastes as to what children should hear.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Was Justin preparing Harry to learn necromancy?
« on: September 23, 2017, 11:29:15 AM »
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True. What I wonder though is; why enthrall them to begin with? It's quite clear looking at Harry's memories with Justin that he was trying to go with old-school indoctrination at first- which is kinda a waste of time if you're just gonna mind-jack them.

Because perhaps Justin failed to take in account the natural tendency for fifteen/sixteen year old teenagers to give you the finger as a matter of course.
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That said, given that even Butters is apparently a better Wizard then him (in spite of having literally zero magical talent) Harry may well be over-estimating himself.

He's In the top 50 for raw power, but in terms of actually ability he's like, apprentice level. He just compensates for it with raw energy.

Which Harry is constantly saying, or he says he is a lazy wizard, so I doubt he over estimates himself, if anything he underestimates himself....  However when he was master to Molly as Eb predicted he became a better wizard because he was forced to study his wizard skills to teach her and to lead by example.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Starborn idea
« on: September 22, 2017, 10:25:52 PM »
Well, yeah, he hasn't needed to use it. I'm saying that for someone with an orphan complex as bad as Harry, it's a bit odd that he hasn't spent time examining or studying the thing that lets him hear his mother's voice.

The knowledge in the gem was recorded like personal notes. What else is on there besides directions through the Ways? Seems like something Harry would want to know—in fact, be desperate to know.

Does it let him hear his mother's voice?  I thought it just acted like a virtual road map of the Ways...

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