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DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: November 02, 2020, 02:40:03 AM »
@Mira
Thank you for providing generalized bullet points but I'm significantly versed on Abnormal Psychologies that I don't need the refresher. Concerning your reply: The first person narrative [Harry's point of view] had no impact on my opinion about Harry's personality so further explanation of narrative styles aren't applicable. The bulk of your replies to your bullet points talk of titles, occupations, or minimalizes his feelings because we all have them. This side steps at the best or justifies his actions. Your second to last point is a subtle ad hominem about which books I've been reading while ignoring the number of times other characters have told Harry precisely how they have been treated. You fail to address the final point when there are instances in every single book where he demeans, intimidates, bullies, and/or belittles others.

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DF Spoilers / If Harry were real ...
« on: November 01, 2020, 02:58:40 PM »
One of the signs of a well written story is if the reader can insert themselves into the world. See themselves as one of the characters, watch the events as if they were actually standing there, etc. If Harry were a real person in your life would you know him? Would you be his friend? Would he be your friend? Would you hang out with him? How do you see yourself interacting with him?

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I'm glad to hear it now!

I think I freaked myself out that the quick acceleration of Lara/Molly meant that Jim himself has gotten tired of Karrin and writing her. (I made the mistake of skimming Reddit for reactions first, and found a vein of anti-Karrin sentiment that surprised me and bummed me out!  :-\)

In terms of "played for laughs," I think the ground frosting over  around Molly as she and Lara walked away after Mab's pronouncement was meant to be funny . . . but it was definitely too soon for me!

Also, as a footnote, I really want better for Molly than gradually wearing down the guy she's idolized since high school who's never seen her that way . . . for years now . . . !

YES!!!!!!!!!!!
A million times YES!!!!!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: November 01, 2020, 02:49:49 AM »
Well, it surprised me that someone who read so many books didn't like Harry. And if you generally liked him for 15 books I don't think him so different now. Yes, there are things I did not like about him but well, I suppose the things I like are more than the things I don't.

It is entirely possible that a significant portion of why I currently don't like Harry is that he isn't different now, after all that he has been through, ie no growth. The author has resorted back to the default traits of his primary character. Mind you, I'm attempting to cook down several hours of in depth conversation into a small paragraph.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: November 01, 2020, 01:21:53 AM »
Really? Wow, just wow.
I think arrogant or selfish fit him better than narcissistic but my definition would be very different. Something like annoying hero or silly hero, something like that. Even when sometimes I want to shake him by the shoulders, in general I like him. I wouldn't be reading the series if that were not the case.

Not sure why you also are so surprised by my opinion. I don't remember if I ever considered him a hero. At best I would say his actions at that time were heroic. For 15 books I liked him as well, some books more than others but generally liked him. Each time I hoped that he would learn, improve, be better or even try to overcome some issues. I wouldn't be wasting money on the series if I didn't enjoy reading it. BG in particular was so poorly written that I am becoming bored with having to think up excuses for Harry's behavior just to keep reading.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: November 01, 2020, 01:11:47 AM »


Really??

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder

    Grandiose sense of self-importance. ...
    Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur. ...
    Needs constant praise and admiration. ...
    Sense of entitlement. ...
    Exploits others without guilt or shame. ...
    Frequently demeans, intimidates, bullies, or belittles others.

Maybe a couple of things in there, but for the most part those traits don't fit Harry.

Harry has checked off each and every one of those indicators on several occasions, some in every book. Not sure why you are so surprised by my opinion. I couldn't disagree more with your opinion that those traits don't fit.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: October 30, 2020, 04:37:22 PM »
After hours of conversation about PT/BG, my friend asked me to summarize my feelings about Harry in two or three non-vulgar descriptors. My response:

Narcissistic Puke

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab and Lara
« on: October 21, 2020, 03:52:14 AM »
I like some things (like the Blackstaff returning) and not others. For once, I don't think killing a whampire destroys their children. So things are a little my complicated and I thought some sort of magic thingy will be used. It may be Fidelacchius, but it may be something of global range in Demonreach or in any other place. If it exists, Harry will find it. Second, the Lara/Molly thing is a little blurry. Third, I've never been a Harry/Molly shipper  :)

Yeah, that last comment was a bit too much of a snarky editorial on my part. The part about killing Papa, I was going on the guess that Papa Raith was the first Whampire, like the king of the Ramps was. A bit of a reach with no evidence.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Bonea
« on: October 21, 2020, 02:06:26 AM »
There is really nothing to worry about with Bonea!! After all, what trouble could a Spirit of Intellect who is the product of a Fallen and a Starborn Wizard get into. It isn't like she has perfect recall and has knowledge of untold secrets as well as soulfire, hellfire, Kemmler's word, etc or anything. Sheesh!! Nothing to see here folks, move along.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab & Ebenezar
« on: October 21, 2020, 02:02:09 AM »
It started out a wizard could live 300 years or so, or was it 200-300. Now we're talking about 500 with a starborn at 700. Next will see Starborns being near immortal.

On an aside - Didn't the Fomor King [can't remember name] say he remembered when Merlin threw out Mab? That would be some 1,400 years ago. I think Eb was previously the Winter Knight and that's how he swindled Mother Winter's cane. The reason Eb is so freaked that Harry is now the Winter Knight too. Eb has a HUGE debt to pay and he knows Winter will collect it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab and Lara
« on: October 21, 2020, 12:46:36 AM »
My current ... pay for the best education for his child and Maggie's.

Allow me to spitball the two WAGs together along with some other guesses.

Lara decided to take out Papa for reasons [many guesses] but finds that she can't because of the Outsider, hence the need for Harry. Harry being starborn is destine to take out all the vamps. Drakul wants to settle the score with Papa but Harry takes him out instead wiping out all the other Blampires. Big problem! Can't take out Papa without precautions it will cause many problems. Taking out Papa would wipe out all the other Whampires and leave the Outsider whom was attached to Papa to boot. Harry would lose his brother, his niece/nephew, his wife [who he now loves], set loose an Outsider in reality, etc. Thomas is found guilty by the Accord's Emissary, Etri wants blood but Papa volunteers to take Thomas' place in crystal. Everything goes pear shape of course and deals are made. Harry takes out Eb after the Council sends Eb to kill him, returns cane to Mother Winter and gets a favor. Lara trades places with Molly as payment for Papa/Thomas solution. Harry calls favor to be released from Winter Knight. Y'all get your Molly/Harry ship and they live happily ever after in Castle Dresden. --- and I puke in my mouth a bit more.

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Nah, it's why Mr. Sunshine and Odin have lunch every year. Part of it is for their fantasy draft. Helps sure up Odin's numbers.  ;D

Maybe as part of the Naughty/Nice discussion?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab and Lara
« on: October 20, 2020, 02:30:37 PM »
Ok, here is a WAG: Harry is destined to eliminate all vampires. He already did it with the red ones and he will do it with the Black when  he kills Drakul and everyone discovers that the old trope of "killing the vampire boss kills every one under them" is true. Then come the whites. Harry will probably discover a way to do kill the hunger, which will be great for Thomas and his baby but not so much for elder vampires, who will die without the hunger. Well, that is why becoming  Lady will be so important for her. It will provide an escape for Molly that did not complicate things for the universe.

This is very interesting, please continue with your WAG. What could happen next? My own WAG is that Lara tried to finish Papa off but discovered that he was attached to an Outsider, hence the need for Harry. She knows Harry can take on Outsiders, she was there in the Deeps. Mab of course is always looking to improve so will take advantage any place she can work it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: October 19, 2020, 12:28:29 AM »
Really? I don't do audiobooks, but you are the first person I read criticizing Marsters work (except for some brief comments about nordic words and things like that)

That's probably because up until this year, his readings of DF books have been outstanding. PT/BG not so much. Don't know if it was too rusty, maybe adding personal interpretation that wasn't actually written, or even reading it like JB intended it to be which would be adding information into the book that a reader's mind wouldn't put in there. I was very disappointed.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
« on: October 18, 2020, 11:15:45 PM »
Yeah, this. mostly because of character action causing me to lose interest/respect in them.

Yes, one hundred times over, Yes!

- Murph dies, removing her form the series. Annoying, but - becoming a valkyrie undermines both her shown religious beliefs and her refusal to sign on to any of the powers to be healed.

Dresden then belittles her death, sub serving the narrative so it's all about him

- Dresden threatens One Eye 2nd hand if he mistreats Murph...after failing to avenge her while on the spot. Blow hard.

Standard sociopathic behavior, falls in line with "He said  .... " to set a narrative that favors the narcissus. Disagree about the avenge, would change to say failed to properly secure area due to self involvement. [Mira and Dina completely disagree with all]

- Gard fails to call him out on this.

She should have put a knife to his neck and gave him a choice of correcting his statement or whistle through a sad throat.

- twerp who murdered Murph justified it by calling her a terrorist, so no doubt will be promoted, not punished, given the mortal decision to call the trashing of Chicago a terrorist attack.

Not sure I would go this far

- sword that broke rather than let Murph try and save Harry, is happy to kill Harry rather than let him avenge Murph.

Hate to point out, "Vengeance is mine sayth the Lord". Author is using this as axiom. The lightsaber thing is crap though.

- sword wielders would rather 11 million innocents die that permit the punishment of 1 murderer.

Only valid if the one murderer is the same that will kill the 11 million

That's *one* plot....

Marcone was interesting because he was the vanilla mortal who could stand equal with supernaturals. Now he's just another coppertop.

Thomas, the schemer, just buckles to blackmail. Not, for example, waltzing in and saying "hey, I'm being blackmailed to murder you, what say you pretend to be murdered and throw me in a cell" or something similar. Justine's now full villain - when the smart thing to do, given she would probably die from child birth, would have Alfred toss her into the same cell as Thomas so that the kid can't kill her. (So finding out about Nemesis *after* already locking Nemesis up).

Molly goes cackling witch.

Ramirez goes whinny teenager.

Ebenezer's response to "Oh, I didn't kill you in a fit of fury?" is indifference.

The most significant character I still care about is Mouse. My biggest question at the end of the book was "where's Mister?" (With the Carpenters, apparently. Who I stopped caring about due to the worthlessness of the entire order).

Wanna feel more disgusted?  Listen to the audiobook and enjoy [severe sarcasm] Marsters interpretation. This is not their best work.

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