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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Con on August 18, 2018, 04:46:10 AM
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Do you think we'll ever get the full story of how a Knight ended up fighting against the Red Coats in the Colonial Marines?
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Same way Sir Stewart acts in Star Trek, I guess.
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Even a Knight needs a day job, I think.
btw, do we know for sure that Sir Stuart was a Knight? I know he knows of the swords (with their original names), but I assumed it was just ghostly gossip going around (heh).
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Sir Stuart appears to be a British title, as in Knight of the British Empire. Not I think, as in Knight of the Cross. I don't know that it's relevant to the Dresdenverse at all./shrug
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I've always assumed him to be the British Title, which is odd because he was in the Colonial Marines, a fact which Dresden points out and Stuart says it's a long tale.
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Looks like I misunderstood your original question, Con.
Anyway, one of my favorite "disposable" characters in the series :D
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He apparently had a family in the colonies, going by the one memory of his we see. My guess? He was an English knight, got hitched and retired to the colonies, then when the revolution broke out, he felt more American than English.
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He apparently had a family in the colonies, going by the one memory of his we see. My guess? He was an English knight, got hitched and retired to the colonies, then when the revolution broke out, he felt more American than English.
Could have been sentenced to penal transportation to America. He'd likely have lost his title, though he'd have lost it if he formally defected, too, and titles weren't a thing in the fledgling US (one of the less-reported reasons they wanted to rebel in the first place). Colonial Marines weren't a thing until Washington needed to protect the Colonial flotilla, circa 1777ish (might've been in 1776, can't remember precisely). There's not a whole lot of information about British defectors to America during the Revolution; it was largely the other way around (though it's not exactly defecting if you never join a revolution). I'd imagine there is a specific reason for it, and it very well may have been a result of Washington being a Knight of the Cross.
I doubt we'll ever hear the whole story, unless Harry gets the chance to hang out with Papa Murphy again.
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Even if he "officially" lost the title, there's nothing stopping him from self-identifying and introducing himself as "Sir Stuart" anyway.
I'm pretty sure Morgan reflexively thought of himself as a "Warden" even when he was the WC's Public Enemy Number One.
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Even if he "officially" lost the title, there's nothing stopping him from self-identifying and introducing himself as "Sir Stuart" anyway.
I'm pretty sure Morgan reflexively thought of himself as a "Warden" even when he was the WC's Public Enemy Number One.
That was kind of my point; I hedged it at the end there, but wasn't really clear. I have a habit of rambling, if you haven't noticed.
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Aah, yeah, I gotcha.
Random thought: Maybe he's just a big fan of Aliens.
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Is there anyone in the Dresden files that isn't explicitly supernatural (and has more than one appearance) that isn't suspected of being a Knight of the Cross?
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Is there anyone in the Dresden files that isn't explicitly supernatural (and has more than one appearance) that isn't suspected of being a Knight of the Cross?
Yes... Jim writes a tight story with characters that hold meaning. That's why everyone Harry knows is part of the supernatural world. If they aren't supernatural themselves, they are involved. Think about it... When was the last book Harry knew someone who was completely oblivious to the supernatural? That's why there are so many theories on people being Knights of the Cross. What vanilla mortals are really involved in the stories? Marcone, Hendricks (kinda), Murphy, Butters, Michael (and family), Sonja... How many of them have taken up a Sword? All but Marcone, and Hendricks, and Jim has hinted that Marcone has taken a different path in Mirror Mirror leaving the opening that he is one! So yeah when a vanilla mortal pops up people are going to wonder since just about every other vanilla mortal that's significant to the story has done so.
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Nobody's tried to push for Rawlins as a Knight, as far as I recall.
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Nobody's tried to push for Rawlins as a Knight, as far as I recall.
The guy who works for Uriel now? That's a post, not the highest, but it exists.
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The guy who works for Uriel now? That's a post, not the highest, but it exists.
You're thinking of Carmichael. Rawlins is still alive, last we heard.
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You're thinking of Carmichael. Rawlins is still alive, last we heard.
Ahh... yes. I forget Carmichael's name cause of his early demise and short cameo existence.
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In fact, I think most of the law enforcement presence we know of has avoided being suggested for having been a Knight. Except of course Murphy and possibly her dad? But Rawlins, Carmichael, Rudolph, Stallings, etc...
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Cpt Murphy? Not likely, he did commit suicide.
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Cpt Murphy? Not likely, he did commit suicide.
No he didn't. When Jim was asked about if we'd ever get the story of why he committed suicide he said something along the lines of No, Cause he'd have to have actually committed suicide to tell that story, and he didn't. Someone or thing unknown made it look like he did... or pushed him when it wasn't allowed, hence his working for Uriel in the 'funny death' department.
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Ah, I didn't know that. I thought he worked in RIPD because he's afraid to move on and get roasted.
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Presumably the kind of people who are bound for Hell don't get to work for Uriel regardless of where they are on their journey to final judgement.
Though I don't think it's necessary for there to have been a suspicious of otherwise "wrong" death. Carmichael did, and Sir Stuart probably will, and their deaths seemed fairly straightforward as far as I know. Yeah, MacFinn probably was in the jail because of a course of action set in place by the FBI agents who were directed down that road by (most likely) agents of the Black Council, but Carmichael chose to be where he did and do what he did, it's at enough of a remove that I think it's just a general "good people who can do the work" thing.
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Carmichael's death had the whole supernatural creature on same level of existence as described in Archangels and such things. He was basically a Walking Nightmare with Mortal free will. He was highly unusual being in that regard we haven't really seen anything else on par with except Uriel himself.... Mayhaps a Fallen Manifest in true union? Then we have the Uriel=Old Fireman theory and yea, he has things surrounding his death not necessarily considered 'fair' to TWG but perhaps beyond his perview to directly do anything about, like Ramps... Who Harry also finished off in an unofficial capacity under his Will. Certainly he picked Knights that held Purpose that night.
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Then we have the Uriel=Old Fireman theory
What theory is this?