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Title: Wordcount!
Post by: Dom on December 03, 2006, 01:05:43 AM
So, the age old writer's edition of the my-you-know-what-is-bigger-than-yours question--what's the wordcount of your current baby?

Poll time!

For the record...my current story is hovering around 43,000 words.  I say hovering, because I've done some chopping block stuff to it recently, so it's been bobbing up and down.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: terioncalling on December 03, 2006, 01:47:04 AM
Current story that I'm working hard on is 10,214 words.  Which counts the two completed chapters, the next one in progress, and a handful of excerpts for scenes further ahead in said story.

*pets story*  Half-a-page shy of 26 too.  Which makes me happy.  :D
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Donna on December 03, 2006, 02:14:02 AM
Mine's slightly over fifty thousand, but that's only because it's one of my NaNo books.  Aside from that, everything else I've written is short stories.  The longest was probably around 8000 words.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Tasmin21 on December 03, 2006, 04:37:28 AM
With around 18 chapters out of a planned 30 written, I have somewhere around 54,000 words.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Dom on December 05, 2006, 11:44:20 PM
I'm down to 41,246 - which is both 3000 more then I started with today, but less then before.  I chop some off, then write more, then chop more, then write more.

Maybe soon I'll hold steady and start to add wordcount on this one, rather than just maintaining it.

Right now it's 78 12p Arial single spaced pages in Word.  Yay!

My favorite line of the day:

"I think his tattoo wants to eat me," I muttered.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: blgarver on December 10, 2006, 03:53:37 PM
Hey everyone.

My current baby (which also happens to be the current monkey on my back) is about 50k words right now.  I've tried to avoid editing anything before I finish it, so I'm sure on the rewrite it will lose a lot of fat. 

I don't outline or anything like that, but I estimate that the story is almost half way done.  Unless something mutates in my mind again.  It already evolved from quick, simple, 300-400 page speculative fiction adventure story to somewhat complex intro book which will require at least one sequel.

I always do that.  For the love of mike I just want to write a single story!  My other baby I've been trying to write since I was 12, and now that's turned into this big bad monster that constantly hangs over my head, gnawing at me.

Anyway, good luck to you all! 

long days, pleasant nights
B. L. Garver
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 11, 2006, 07:35:10 PM
The thing I finished first draft of at the end of October, first half of a duology*, is almost dead on a hundred thousand words.  From previous experience, that will probably go down by about 10% all the way through on further passes.

The thing I read back through and tightened since then, is 149,048 words. I want to reread the end of that where I made most of the changes on this pass one more time to be sure it flows, and then I'll be thinking about finding it a home.

*I'm not sure whether to call it one book or two, but at that length it's unlikely to be bound as one physical object; first half is fairly standard story-shaped adolescent protagonist in world-saving situation, second half will be same character middle-aged with two kids discovering the world's not as saved as it appeared and having family responsibilities and not just being able to rush off and have adventures any more. The gap between them is sort of "and then we went away and became fishmongers and did nothing with the plot nature for the next twenty-two years".
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Dom on December 24, 2006, 03:18:51 AM
I've 9,000 words of a new story that spontaneously started crawling out one day.  Never thought I'd be one to write dragons.  Huh.

Of course, now my attention has shifted off of the first story, darnnit!  And entirely, these two are from totally different worlds.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: resurrectedwarrior on December 24, 2006, 05:29:46 AM
Uh . . . depends on which draft. First draft, which totally sucks, is 130,000. Second draft is 60,000 and counting. I'm hoping to keep it below 100,000 . . .
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Richelle Mead on December 24, 2006, 11:06:09 PM
Just finished edits on my YA vampire novel, taking me from 58k to 75k.  Not sure what my editor'll have to say about that.  After that, I'm between projects until next year when I'm contracted to write 300k words via 2 adult novels, 1 YA, and a novella.  Eek.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Valkyrina on January 29, 2007, 11:29:37 PM
I put my current baby as being about 10k, it's a short-story, I intended it to be a short story.

I find if I try to put a story on the computer it dries up and goes quiet on me.

I therefore put this one on the computer pretty soon.

It stayed short.

Compared to other stuff I've done over the years it's the bonsai tree of my imagination: kept small, put in a confining place and not nourished much.

My other baby I've been trying to write since I was 12, and now that's turned into this big bad monster that constantly hangs over my head, gnawing at me.

I started a story when I was 19 just starting uni. I have to write it by hand on paper or my ideas stagnate (anyone else find this?) and this one kept going for almost 4 years. I have no idea what the word count is and as I seem to have lost the thread, when uni burned my brains out, I'ma either have to dedicate some time to regaining it, or shelf it for a few more months/years.

Sharon.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: CrazyGerbilLady on February 05, 2007, 05:09:04 AM
What is the typical word count of a novel?  Versus a short story?  How do you know when you have a novel in your brain versus a short story? 
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Josh on February 05, 2007, 02:08:07 PM
Most things over 10,000 words seem to fall outside the short story range. Most short stories seem to waver around 1-6k, depending on which venue you are submitting it to, though those are certainly not do-or-die numbers. Usually, much less than 1k becomes flash fiction or slice of life, and anything over 10k becomes a novelette. Every magazine or publication has different requirements or measurements, so make sure you research the submission guidelines they provide, because some will not take works over a certain length.

For novels? Hmm..50-80k is a solid range to show you have a "book"...though within science fiction and fantasy it seems that 80-100k+ is in vogue, hence the many 400+ pages books bowing the shelves. Most of what I write falls within the 80-100k+ range, before or after the winnowing of revision.


www.jrvogt.com
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on February 05, 2007, 05:59:41 PM
What is the typical word count of a novel?  Versus a short story?  How do you know when you have a novel in your brain versus a short story? 

If I recall correctly, the definitions for the Hugo Awards are that a novel has to be at least 40,000 words, and a short story is under 7,500, with novelette and novella in between and the dividing point there being 17,500 words.  I suppose "write the thing and then count the words" is not the most helpful answer in the world, though.   I can't think of a genre novel in recent years that's been under 60,000 words.

How many major ideas and scenes do you have ?  More than two or three of either and it's unlikely to be a short story.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: CrazyGerbilLady on February 06, 2007, 01:00:30 AM
11 scenes mapped out and I think I'm about 1/3 of the way through my ideas.  Definitely not short story.  Guess I'll wait and see which of the other categories it falls into.  I definitely don't want to pad it unnecessarily just to meet an arbitrary standard.  ;)

Thanks from a total newbie!
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: BobSkull on February 08, 2007, 05:24:21 PM
Currently, the novel that I'm working on the most is at 23,405 after three days. I'm hoping that the storyline will be engaging enough for me to go for at least ten times that.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on February 09, 2007, 05:06:27 AM
Currently, the novel that I'm working on the most is at 23,405 after three days. I'm hoping that the storyline will be engaging enough for me to go for at least ten times that.

What are you writing that with ?

That wordcount in that many days is a) impressive and b) would make me worry slightly about possible RSI-like issues.

I've typed 10,500 words in a day, and it was a bad plan even though I spent a couple of hours not writing in the middle.  [ Seeing possibly the worst piece of theatre I ever saw in my life, which could well be part of why so creative. ]
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: BobSkull on February 09, 2007, 04:56:42 PM
What are you writing that with ?

That wordcount in that many days is a) impressive and b) would make me worry slightly about possible RSI-like issues.

I've typed 10,500 words in a day, and it was a bad plan even though I spent a couple of hours not writing in the middle.  [ Seeing possibly the worst piece of theatre I ever saw in my life, which could well be part of why so creative. ]

If you mean What am I writing it with as in writing materials, it is my desktop.

Lol. I know what you mean, I thought the same thing so I (after a great deal of deliberation) gave a copy of those pages to my dad(great writer, grammercrazy writing genius) and he gave me the thumbs up. And the I re-read it. It all sounded good, so I'm not worried. (Not really sure what RSI-like issues means though???)

I just sometimes get into a groove(I know that sounds stupid), and can write a lot in a day, and these past few days have just been great for my book.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on February 09, 2007, 09:49:06 PM
If you mean What am I writing it with as in writing materials, it is my desktop.

That was what I meant, yes.

Quote
(Not really sure what RSI-like issues means though???)

Repetitive Strain Injury: not messing up your wrists.  Which may be more of an issue for me because I've spent thirteen years this year in day-jobs where I was sitting in front of computers typing much of or all day and trying to work that in ways that don't leave me unable to write in my spare time.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: etoiline on February 22, 2007, 08:12:49 PM
My current story is about 61k. That includes stuff written during last year's NaNo...yes, it is a NaNo story, but I think it's pretty good, however deluded that may be. I've got sort of an amorphous goal of getting the whole thing finished this year.

I've only got one section to write, but it'll be huge. I'll probably add on another 10k without realizing it, once I finally sit my butt down and get it on paper.

~Cal
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Wolfeyes on February 22, 2007, 10:57:57 PM
Currently my babe is in the middle of chapter 7, first draft (with things to add), and is on 54, 390 words (...this is going to be a looooooong book at this rate...)
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: prime_spirit on February 23, 2007, 02:01:07 AM
I'm going to be very honest and say <100 :(

I'm still working on background stories, history, societies, etc, and almost all of it from scratch. The thing about making your own world is that I won't have to look up too much background material to make it realistic. The downside is that it takes a really long time to get all these ideas into an accurate timeline. Which there were more hours in a day...
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Maiafay on February 25, 2007, 04:33:14 PM
Hmmm longest was over 100,000 words, and my current is 88,900. I could use some trimming in the 88 one, but not until it's finished. 
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: TigerKat24 on February 26, 2007, 08:26:47 AM
Currently, Confidence is about 52,000, give or take a couple hundred words. However, it's been at about 52,000 since December 5th. Make the writer's block stop...
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Valkyrina on February 26, 2007, 09:29:56 AM
Make the writer's block stop...

I prescribe one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Writers-Block-Ideas-Jump-Start-Imagination/dp/0762409487/sr=8-1/qid=1172482083/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-7920969-0594312?ie=UTF8&s=books

A lot of sleep and lots of fruit in your diet.

See if that helps.

Unless you're writing about a unhealthy, insomniac who can't write and you're trying to get into their head.

 ;)

Seriously though, this book is awesome.

I read a few pages, went to sleep and a few days later my imagination *pinged* microwave style and came back with a "look what I found" kinda story.

Every author on this site needs at least one of these by their beds.

...

... Except Jim, 2 reasons: 1) he's already got an awesome character and we love Harry to bits. 2) the book gives you lots of little mental tributaries to go down, little stories that if you're used to writing one character's life story, may make you shelf that character for a while (been a while since my Valkyrie had much to say) and we'd HATE for Harry to get shelved.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: TigerKat24 on February 26, 2007, 06:09:24 PM
Would you like a pony? I can get you a pony. It'll have to be either evil or stupid, but I can get you a pony. Or maybe a bunny? I can get you a bunny too...
In other words, thank you very much for the recommendation. Excuse me while I hie my newly-moneyed butt over to the bookstore.
Randomly, I've also found The 3 AM Epiphany (http://www.amazon.com/M-Epiphany-Uncommon-Exercises-Transform/dp/1582973512/sr=8-1/qid=1172513269/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-6537182-1755303?ie=UTF8&s=books) and No Plot? No Problem! (http://www.amazon.com/No-Plot-Problem-Low-Stress-High-Velocity/dp/0811845052/sr=1-1/qid=1172513312/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-6537182-1755303?ie=UTF8&s=books) helpful with previous bouts of blockage. Unfortunately I don't own a copy of either one so I'm kind of out of luck this time around.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Valkyrina on February 27, 2007, 05:23:01 PM
Can't say I was ever a pony kind of girl I'm afraid, not even a unicorn kind of girl.

If you had a dragon around however...

 ;D

Anyway, might have to add those 2 books to my amazon shopping list...

Been meaning to put more energy into my writing recently.

*pokes imagination with a stick to see if it's dead*
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Drew on February 28, 2007, 11:18:31 PM
The whole thing came out to be 213,980.  The publisher cut it into a trilogy.  So each one is about 70,000.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: [beatle mania] on March 05, 2007, 05:03:47 AM
'round 2,000. I had to cut it really short, as it's a class project, but I love the damned thing so much (as do most of the people who read it) that I want to expand the details and double or triple the size.

I have to start somewhere, and I hope I can do something with this peice that will help me expand as a writer.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Cyclone Jack on May 01, 2007, 08:31:25 PM

52,486 to be exact. About halfway in rough draft form: my 'rough-draft' means that for the most part, I've left dialouge out or used simplistic placeholders.

One novel, no sequels.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Murphy's Stunt Double on May 01, 2007, 08:52:05 PM
Do any of you have a regular system/schedule for your writing? What is it? Do you sit down and type ... say... 2000 words a day? Or do you block out a few hours of time and just go for it until your time is up? I'm *trying* to finish a 50,000 word non-fiction book and I'm having such a hard time even getting started every day. What do you all do to get yourselves back at it day after day?

Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: King of De Nile on May 01, 2007, 08:57:47 PM
Every day, I write a scene. Some are very short, such as a few days ago where it was around 700, while others strecth out. Tonight, I'm writing the first face-to-face between my protagonist and antagonist, so I expect a relatively long one. Now, if they would just settle down and decide which is which, I would be truly happy...
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: black roses on May 02, 2007, 02:00:25 AM
Currently at 20,000 on pg. 46 and growing.  :D
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 02, 2007, 02:48:37 AM
Do any of you have a regular system/schedule for your writing? What is it? Do you sit down and type ... say... 2000 words a day? Or do you block out a few hours of time and just go for it until your time is up? I'm *trying* to finish a 50,000 word non-fiction book and I'm having such a hard time even getting started every day. What do you all do to get yourselves back at it day after day?

I don't work every day.  I work almost every Friday, from the time I get home from work, and have eaten, say 6.30ish, usually until 1 or 2 in the morning.  This normally gets me three thousand words a week or so.  If you have a day job, writing every day can be hard and I do not believe there is any point trying to make yourself write when you are too tired to do so, as I often am mid-week.

Of this year's two new projects, one is about 30,000 words, the other about 4,000. 
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Cyclone Jack on May 02, 2007, 03:23:52 AM

2k per day, rain or shine. On good days all 2k is usable. On bad days it's mush.

But it gets clickity-clacked into existence, regardless. :D
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Murphy's Stunt Double on May 02, 2007, 04:05:45 PM
Thanks, Cyclone and King. Your answers are very helpful. I was worried about the whole 2k a day being mush thing, but I suppose mush on the table beats War and Peace in the brain anyday.

King - Do you write your scenes in order? Or do you write what you're inspired to write that day and sew them together later? 

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: King of De Nile on May 02, 2007, 04:19:39 PM
It depends on the story. Right now, the story I'm working on I've written the scenes in order, but that's because for once in my life I knew where a story started, and where it ended. The characters have started to shift as far as which is the sympathetic character, but the events are the same. Plus, it's a mystery-type story, so writing in order lets me keep the reveals in order. So, tonight I'll write the scene right after what I wrote last night.

But there are times when a scene screams to be written, and I do it without having the preceding scenes written. In fact, I have two scenes written right now that are not attached to any story rolling through my head. I woke up, saw this scene that I had to get on paper, and did, and now I keep my eye out for a story they would fit into. Even the names are generic, so that I can easily edit the scenes when I know where they go.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: BobSkull on May 02, 2007, 04:41:54 PM
My main novel I'm working at is now at 31,119.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Murphy's Stunt Double on May 02, 2007, 04:45:45 PM
Neurovore - I agree with you. Working a full time job puts a premium on your writing time. Unfortunately, I have exactly the opposite problem. I have enough time at my disposal that I tend to say, "I'll do it later," and then it doesn't get done.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<Discipline problems...
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Murphy's Stunt Double on May 02, 2007, 05:11:37 PM
But there are times when a scene screams to be written, and I do it without having the preceding scenes written.

I do that quite a bit myself, only since I'm working on a non-fiction book, the story is already pretty much laid out. It's just a matter of delivering it in an interesting and readable way. Somedays it feels more like I'm putting together a jigsaw puzzle than writing a book. I tend to worry (perhaps too much) about whether my tone and voice stay consistent enough doing it like this, and whether I'll be able to weave it all together in a way that leaves the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: King of De Nile on May 02, 2007, 05:21:38 PM
One way I thread them together, if they're disjointed, is to rewrite them in order as the last step in my rough draft. That way, there's a constant flow from beginning to end because you'll notice the places where there's a harsh jump in voice. So get all you pieces printed out, sort them, and then rewrite them one after the other, filling in gaps and changing any wording as needed. It's time-consuming, but it's the way I do it.

As an aside, most of my solutions to problems involve rewriting. Stuck on a particular part? Rewrite and try to get up a head of steam to burst through the block. Voice off? Rewrite it. no longer recognize the character? You guessed it, rewrite. Probably a holdover from writing on a typewriter.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: RMatthewWare on May 02, 2007, 10:28:53 PM
My fantasy novel is about 110,000 words.  I'm on the third draft now, so I don't expect it to go down any.  I've cut the crap out, and made it a little richer.  I think I'll do one draft after this then start the subby process.

From what I've read, 80,000 words is typical for a normal novel, but sci-fi and fantasy gets more slack because you're creating a world.  120,000 seems to be the cap for an introductory spec fic piece, though there are always exceptions.

Matt
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Murphy's Stunt Double on May 03, 2007, 12:21:27 AM
King -

Thanks again. Your insights are more helpful than you realize! I recognize now that I seem to be doing more worrying about getting the first draft complete than accepting the reality that my strong suit is editing anyway! Rewriting is my friend, not an insult to my ego.

<<<<< going to start calling King "Harley" for kickstarting my engine again. :^)
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Drew on May 03, 2007, 01:39:33 AM
From what I've read, 80,000 words is typical for a normal novel, but sci-fi and fantasy gets more slack because you're creating a world.  120,000 seems to be the cap for an introductory spec fic piece, though there are always exceptions.

Matt

It's also too expensive for the publisher to print.  That's why Dragon Moon Press didn't publishe mine, they didn't want to cut it.  Archbooks cut into three and if they sell well, they'll pub the whole thing as I first wrote it.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: King of De Nile on May 03, 2007, 02:41:12 AM
King -

Thanks again. Your insights are more helpful than you realize! I recognize now that I seem to be doing more worrying about getting the first draft complete than accepting the reality that my strong suit is editing anyway! Rewriting is my friend, not an insult to my ego.

<<<<< going to start calling King "Harley" for kickstarting my engine again. :^)


*snort* It took me a second read to get the Harley joke. Must be more tired than I thought.

Any time, and I'm glad you got something out of me. I'm much better at helping other people than finishing my own stories. I over-revise, probably because I'm scared of actually sending the stories off, and eventually I just get frustrated and move to the next story. I know why I do it. Stopping is a little harder...
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 04, 2007, 10:44:48 PM
Thanks, Cyclone and King. Your answers are very helpful. I was worried about the whole 2k a day being mush thing, but I suppose mush on the table beats War and Peace in the brain anyday.

If it works for you, fine.  There are people for whom writing down the Wrong Thing stops them ever being able to find the Right Thing.  Both valid ways to be writers, but it's a good idea to know which is true for you.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 04, 2007, 10:46:59 PM
I do that quite a bit myself, only since I'm working on a non-fiction book, the story is already pretty much laid out. It's just a matter of delivering it in an interesting and readable way.

I very rarely do things out of order, and if so, not very, because my characters  almost always find some way of surprising me in the middle of every scene, even if only a small one, which would mess later things up if I had already written them.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 04, 2007, 10:51:54 PM
From what I've read, 80,000 words is typical for a normal novel, but sci-fi and fantasy gets more slack because you're creating a world.  120,000 seems to be the cap for an introductory spec fic piece, though there are always exceptions.

It's worth noting that up to about 2000 or so, there was a perception that fat fantasy novels in particular sold better than thin fantasy novels.  At some point around then Borders basically imposed a cap on how much they were willing to sell a genre hardback for, which meant that a fair number of what were written as 120kword novels have been split in two for since - I know this is true of the last voume of Peter Watts' Rifters trilogy, and of Stross' Merchant Princes books, the first two of which are more a single book with two additional superfluous bits of cardboard than almost anything else I have ever read.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: RMatthewWare on May 05, 2007, 03:59:17 AM
It's worth noting that up to about 2000 or so, there was a perception that fat fantasy novels in particular sold better than thin fantasy novels.  At some point around then Borders basically imposed a cap on how much they were willing to sell a genre hardback for, which meant that a fair number of what were written as 120kword novels have been split in two for since - I know this is true of the last voume of Peter Watts' Rifters trilogy, and of Stross' Merchant Princes books, the first two of which are more a single book with two additional superfluous bits of cardboard than almost anything else I have ever read.

I think that's retarded.  A book written at 120,000 words is meant to be 120,000 words.  If you split it up, I think you're jerking around the reader.  No one wants to read half a book.  Hasn't Harry Potter shown us that long books are fine, if they're good enough?

But, you know, it's Barnes and Nobles and Borders (and maybe Amazon) that decide most of what is getting published.  If they don't sell it, then publishers aren't going to want to publish it. 

Matt
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Murphy's Stunt Double on May 06, 2007, 05:03:51 PM
If it works for you, fine.  There are people for whom writing down the Wrong Thing stops them ever being able to find the Right Thing.  Both valid ways to be writers, but it's a good idea to know which is true for you.

I can see your point. AND... Friday, with giving myself permission to write 2000 words after tying my inner critic up in a dark closet, I was able to actually get 2012 words on screen that weren't there before. Of course, the little booger kept screaming in the distance, "that sucks, you hack!" but I don't care. I have new words!

Next time though, I'll remember the duct tape for his nasty little butt. I mean mouth.

In unrelated news.... I spent 10 hours Saturday standing in line to audition for Deal or No Deal.

Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Dom on May 08, 2007, 06:58:38 AM
Let's see...early december, I was at 43,000.  Early May I'm at 51,000.  So, 8000 words in 6 months.  Man, I suck.  A thousand words a month.

I guess I do have 2 fanfics too I've been tossing out, one at 7227 words at the moment, one at 6566.  So if you count that I've done 21,793 words in 6 months.  Plus the snippits of other brewing stories.  If I'm being generous to myself, I could say 3000+ words a month.  Which still sucks.

::feels bummed now she's done the math::
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: skaoi on May 12, 2007, 04:20:11 AM
Hmmm....my co-author and i seem to have an issue with verbosity.  We're at chapter 25, passing 120K words with no sign of stopping any time soon.  Lots of editing to do, but, to tell the truth, I only see the editing process adding to the count.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: recentcoin on May 12, 2007, 09:39:34 PM
As the aforementioned co-author, I can tell you that I have always been verbose.  It takes a lot of words to create an accurate mental picture for someone else, so I spend a lot of words creating mood and giving descriptions.  I think that this is especially important in a fantasy setting, since there are no preconceived notions.  If I say "grocery store", you get an immediate mental image of aisles, shopping carts, produce section, the smell of coffee from the coffee aisle, the horrid fluorescent lighting, etc.  There isn't a lot of description required for you to understand "grocery store".  But I say, "Drow campsite" and you don't necessarily know what a drow is, do you have any idea of what that looks likes?  smells like?  what the "vibe" is like?  No, you do not and in order to make a reader understand that, you have to explain that to them. 

One of my central characters is a tiefling.  He's an escaped slave who's grandfather was a very powerful demon.  I go to a fair amount of trouble to show his strengths, his weaknesses, and his trials with his own very real "inner demon".  I think that's more important to explaining to the unfamiliar what a tiefling is than waving a drawing at them and saying "demon".  Now, the question becomes how to do this in a few words and the short answer is that you can't.  It takes words on the paper.  If you leave too many blanks, you don't really tell the whole story.  My problem is that character creation comes easily to me.  Even my background characters have elaborate back stories.  One of my background characters is a housekeeper.  Her back story is almost as elaborate as the main PC's even though I've not written it down. 
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: Cyclone Jack on May 17, 2007, 04:46:21 AM
The first/rough draft of my novel is DONE! *pops champagne!*

It clocks in at just over 93,000 words. I'm estimating that second and third drafts will add a good 35,000-40,000 to it. But the skeleton and all the major scenes are there.

To be honest, I'm absolutely flabbergasted at how the thing ended. I'm happy that there is no set up for any sort of sequel, though. All through the last 20 k I was afraid my brain was going to take the easy path and leave an out. Nope.

Forcing myself to bang out 2000 or more words a day focused on a single story was an interesting experience and it taught me a lot about how my brain worked:

My brain is a sneaky, seditious, rebellious asshole.

For example, three times in the writing process I found myself thousands of words into completely unrelated short fiction. I generally didn't realize this until I was past the point of no return. While this annoyed me by slowing the novel-writing down, I must admit that all three stories are pretty damn good. They're also things I would never have written conciously and without the nebulous atmosphere of the novel in progress and its many strange themes and characters.

The longest (and best, IMO) veers scarily close to erotic fantasy. It would be erotic fantasy in fact, if not for the fact that I refuse to write sex scenes. Instead, The Queen Of Summer is something much better: a tale of loyalty, a paen to the wild summers of my youth, and a tribute to young people defying authority in an organic, deeply felt, utterly unplanned manner. Stylistically, it may be the best thing I've ever written.

The other two are more traditional horror stories. While I consider both clever, they'll be tossed to the back of the pile for polishing and tweaking.

While I may never conciously sit down to write another novel (the process, for the most part, was maddening. The continuity alone is going to take me months to sort out. Thankfully, I'll have help with that. ), I might jump into the process again just for the framework to write more short fiction.
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Post by: Tasmin21 on May 17, 2007, 10:48:33 AM
Congrats on finishing!
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Post by: RMatthewWare on May 17, 2007, 02:56:07 PM
My latest version is 113,500

Matt
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Post by: Cyclone Jack on May 18, 2007, 12:05:42 AM
Congrats on finishing!

Thanks! :)
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Post by: meg_evonne on May 18, 2007, 04:16:50 PM
Currently about 50,000 on a first "shitty" draft.  Congrats on finishing Cyclone Jack!  Have you tried an outline to keep on track or do you perfer the easy flow of not having one?  Meg
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Post by: Cyclone Jack on May 18, 2007, 08:43:11 PM
Currently about 50,000 on a first "shitty" draft.  Congrats on finishing Cyclone Jack!  Have you tried an outline to keep on track or do you perfer the easy flow of not having one?  Meg

This is a pretty 'shitty' draft itself, Meg. :P Vast sections have no dialouge, because dialouge slows me down more than anything else.

On the rare occasions I have used an outline it resembled a long, rambling note to myself more than a formal structure.
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Post by: Wolfhowls on May 19, 2007, 07:35:23 AM
Right now all my stories are in my head...only a few have made it to paper...
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Post by: meg_evonne on May 20, 2007, 04:35:23 AM
I just finished an online writing course.  When it comes to the dialog that you said slows you down.  One of the pros in this class apparently set her computer to center and plugged it out quickly.  None of that other stuff was written down in the rough, rough draft--such as what did who say and how they said it and all that stuff that slows you down.

I have a memory problem when my head is going 100 times faster than my fingers can go.  The trick really worked wonders for me and kept me moving at a faster rate of speed.  Once down, then you can always go back and get it into normal novel format.  So it looks sort of like this:

Okay forget the example, blasted centering tool isn't working.  But you can get my drift.  Name in center, next line the action centered, then the dialog.... Sort of like script writing I guess.  Really fast, really easy & keeps you moving forward. 

None of the others in the class thought it helpful, but my Pooh size brain really did!  Did some nice work today on my piece, both in planning in my head and getting a lot of it into word doc.

Best wishes as you go forward!  Meg
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Post by: Kelli on June 08, 2007, 03:59:39 AM
My current project is at 25k words, and I'd say it's around 2/3-3/4 finished. It was intended as a short story originally... oops.... guess I'm writing a novella instead.
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Post by: Kathleen Dante on June 11, 2007, 11:59:08 PM
My current WIP is at 33k. Just about one-third of the way through.

::update::

Just crawled past 55k.
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Post by: TragicKingdom on July 28, 2007, 09:44:34 PM
My finished book is about 58000 words. In the editing process, this should plummet significantly. I love to trim the fat off of my books. Literary-lyposuction (I'm sure I spelled that wrong). It keeps it healty.  :D
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Post by: Suilan on September 23, 2007, 05:32:58 PM
ca. 350k, and that's after cutting and tightening. But in my defense: it's a fantasy trilogy. Hope to finish the current draft (the 5th or so) by the end of the year and start looking for an agent.
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Post by: SunPhoenix on September 29, 2007, 11:29:07 PM
No Idea what my wordcount is but I got 4 1/2 pages on one book and 3 pages on another on spiral bound notebook paper.

::Update:: at 8 1/2 pages on the first book
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Post by: Troubled darkness on October 10, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
hmmmm for some reason I joined this site a while back and haven't posted  ???

My wordcounts:
 
;D I have one thats at 60k and suspended for the moment because I changed what the character's abilities were slightly. My main WIP is on 37k

I haven't done any proper writing in such a long time  :'(
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: SunPhoenix on November 04, 2007, 08:29:31 AM
Ok I started actually typing it out and my wordcount is at 1,644 with about 1 1/2 chapters.


::Edit:: Chapters 1&2 are equal to 2634 :)
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Post by: redneckwitch18 on November 04, 2007, 11:07:18 PM
I'm guesstimating my word count seeing as it's on a legal pad  :)

Around 15,000 for me maybe, but the yellow paper seems to keep me from drifting b/c it instantly brings my attention.

Right now though, the stupid legal is sitting on my desk haunting and calling me daily. I've been so stressed with school that I haven't had a spare moment to sit down and write out anything b/c i seem to get interrupted everytime I sit down. I think I'll booby trap my door a couple of times.
(that'll teach them to come barging in-mwahahaha)
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Post by: Craz on November 05, 2007, 04:52:55 AM
My first baby had around 6k words. The second one, in the twenty or so hours I've worked on it, has yielded much better results. 2,040 words currently.
Title: Re: Wordcount!
Post by: KevinEvans on November 07, 2007, 01:14:28 PM
The answer is,
It depends.

First I am basically a co author, that is without my wife my stuff is tedious at best, and my wife plots like an explosion in a string factory. So between the two of us we make one author.

The depends thing come in at, Which project?
We have about 20 projects ongoing at the moment, most in the 5000 to 15000 word range. That is the preferred size of our market, and we write to standard, hopefully improving our sell percentage.
Regards,
Kevin





So, the age old writer's edition of the my-you-know-what-is-bigger-than-yours question--what's the wordcount of your current baby?

Poll time!

For the record...my current story is hovering around 43,000 words.  I say hovering, because I've done some chopping block stuff to it recently, so it's been bobbing up and down.