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DF TV Series / Re: The SPOILERIFIC Ask Robert Wolfe Thread
« on: January 23, 2007, 06:25:56 PM »
Here's my question...

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO BOB?!?!

No, no, I don't mean the ghost-Bob vs. skull-Bob.  I have no problems whatsoever with the ghost-Bob.  My problem is that there was no smart-ass, hardly any snark, and zero perversion!  He never ONCE mentioned that the kid's mom could be hot!  Bob is great for exposition, but if you don't use him as comic relief as well then he just turns into Giles-in-a-skull.

It also seemed like the humor was turned way, way down too.  I mean almost non-existent turned down.  You said you're basing off The Rockford Files and Spenser for Hire...I'm a huge fan of the Spenser novels and I was a bit too young for the show when it was on, but what episodes I've seen suggest that they didn't lose nearly as much of the smart-assedness of Spenser as we've lost of Harry.  The humor of the books is one of my favorite things about it, being a smart-ass-in-training.  I don't expect "POLKA WILL NEVER DIE!!" or frozen turkeys falling from the sky...okay, I actually want the frozen turkey from the sky complete with timer popping out because that's just too good to NOT use and the reaction from the characters in the book was sincere...but I do want some more humor.  I'm not saying turn it into Buffy with pop-culture references and everyone coming up with perfect jokes on every word, but it'd be nice to have Harry trade barbs a bit more often.

Those are my only real concerns (aside from the typical problems with it not being the REAL pilot so we were left in the dark about some things, but that's not controllable really) about the show long-term.  It doesn't feel Spenser for Hire meets Buffy like the books, but more CSI meets X-Files.  Isn't there someway to meet somewhere in the middle?

If you need to convince the suits of this...site the success they're having with shows like Monk and Psych on USA.  The comedy drives the story as much as the mystery and, while taking it that far would definitely be too much, it might convince them to allow more leeway with the jokes for the next season...

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Re: Character Names
« on: January 21, 2007, 08:44:19 PM »
My main reason for changing the surname was the poet Robert Frost...

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Re: On Character Swearing
« on: January 21, 2007, 08:42:37 PM »
What was the quote?

"Holy shit!  Hellhounds!"
"Harry," Michael said.
"Sorry.  Holy shit!  Heckhounds!"

Something like that...

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Re: On Character Swearing
« on: January 21, 2007, 06:20:30 PM »
Ass and butt are worse than rear or derrier because the Anglo Saxons were conquored by the Normans.  The Normans were French and therefore took over the aristocracy.  Therefore, the gutteral Anglo-Saxon words (butt, ass, shit, fuck, etc) because the "low" or "crass" way of saying things, while the romance French way (derrier, deficate, intercourse, etc) because the "proper" way.  This has also made words change meaning.  "Stool" (Germanic), for example, originally had the same meaning as "chair" (Romance).  However, the common Anglo-Saxons were the ones who owned small, short bits of wood with no back and called them stools, while the rich aristocrats owned plus seats with backs and arms and called them chairs.

Thus endith the English lesson.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Re: On Character Swearing
« on: January 21, 2007, 05:55:31 PM »
My Irish character was born in the US, moved to Ireland as a young child (3-4), was raised there, then moved back to America and has been here for a few years.  This gives me liberty of not having to get the accent perfectly (one of those "the accent gets thicker when he's pissed (either meaning)" sort of deals), but also lets me play around with the absolutely FABULOUSLY creative way the Irish swear!  You think French is fun to swear in?  Listen to an Irishman sometime.  It's like some kind of poetry.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Re: On Character Swearing
« on: January 21, 2007, 03:18:33 PM »
My main characters tend to be males aged between 16 and 28 and I almost exclusively write in a contemporary setting.  My characters are also usually very passionate people who wear their hearts on their sleeves.  One of my characters is also Irish.  Therefore, my characters curse.  Sometimes, an inordinate amount.  Why?  Because 20-something males curse.  A lot.  I actually tone it down from my normal speech patterns.  Do I have them f-bombing every page?  No.  That's not how people talk.  People don't swear indiscriminately.  They build up filters based on the social situations.  At work, instead of yelling out an s-bomb when I stub my toe at work or drop something,  I yell out "Crap!"  But if I'm home alone and I drop something, I will spew forth a string of curses which would make a sailor blush.

In my opinion, I feel that you should write for your audience and write for your characters.  Would Michael swear?  Probably not.  Would Harry?  Probably.  Would one of Marcone's low-level thugs?  Probably every third word.  The Dresden Files isn't meant for children.  Dancing around cursing by characters would feel awkward in the prose.  If you're writing something for young adults or children, then of course you should cut out the cursing. 

Here's the big thing, though...many people are offended by certain words.  For some people, it's the f-word.  For most women, it's the c-word.  However, you have to balance in your mind alienating some of your audience by using these words and how much the prose suffers from losing them.

In my opinion, the worst thing you can do break the fourth wall by using fake curse words unless it's something your character would do.  If you watch the TV show Scrubs, it's part of the character of Elliot that she doesn't swear and says words like "frick!" when she would normally curse.  However, if you use "friggin'",  "freakin'", "crap", "heck", etc. too much without a good reason, it will seriously damage the flow of the narrative because it makes me think about the author's motivation.  This is really bad in sci-fi and fantasy because authors in these genres have a bad habit of making up curse words.  I love Battlestar Galactica, but I'm SO sick of "frak".  Shadowrun finally ditched "drek" and "frag".  Red Dwarf is at least creative about replacing curses, but "smeg" became comedic after a while.

Just like the choice of how graphic your violence should be and how much detail you should use in describing sex, you have to think about your audience and the style you're going for.  The prose should come first above anything else.  Don't censor yourself at the expense of your story and your style.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Calendar Event Discussion / Re: Jim at RT Convention
« on: January 18, 2007, 05:04:06 AM »
No no no no NO!  The point of the book fair is to get all your crap signed and to buy more crap!  Seriously, I've been to this thing many, many times.  It's a big ballroom with tables filled with books and at each table is an author.  The authors are there to sign books, sell more books, and meet fans.  It's like a comic book convention, only it's for books.  And there's more women since it's romance books.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Calendar Event Discussion / Re: Jim at RT Convention
« on: January 16, 2007, 06:57:51 PM »
Huh?  No, that means they definately WILL be signing!  That's the point of the author's room...the fans walk around the maze of tables, buy books, chat with the authors, stare at cleavage, and get their stuff signed.  What I don't know is if they'll be doing anything else other than signing for three hours.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Calendar Event Discussion / Re: Jim at RT Convention
« on: January 16, 2007, 01:10:15 AM »
On the Romantic Times website, they're both listed as attending guests at the book signing party (which is the big ballroom set-up where you get to roam around and get your crap signed).  It's also only $5, so no excuses if you're in traveling distance!

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Calendar Event Discussion / Re: Jim at RT Convention
« on: January 14, 2007, 05:12:48 PM »
Apparently, Romantic Times has been trying to get around that stigma by expanding into basically any fiction written by or aimed to females.  The title of the magazine is now "RT Book Reviews".

But I've been to them several times (I used to manage a bookstore, and it was owned by my mom so she'd take me when I was a kid).  While it's about a 10:1 or 15:1 ratio of women to men (with the husbands usually in the hotel bar or across the street with the kids at Astroworld (before it closed down anyway) or at the Astrodome watching the game (before the Astros got a new stadium)), there are a lot of men there.

For the record, you don't have to spend the $300-500 for the actual convention unless you want to attend the panels and everything.  The author signing is only $5 and takes place in a big giant ballroom.

By the way, if you're a single guy, be sure to wear sunglasses.  The women -- especially the authors -- usually wear dresses that show a LOT of cleavage...and these women definitely have a lot of it to show...Make sure no one can see your eyes when wearing the glasses so that you won't get caught staring. :p

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Calendar Event Discussion / Re: Jim at RT Convention
« on: January 13, 2007, 09:18:48 PM »
No no, AUSTIN, you want to come to AUSTIN, TX!!

Grrrr, now I have to figure out how to get to Houston...

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Re: Character Names
« on: January 13, 2007, 08:42:53 PM »
Maybe I overthink things, but I feel that the name should reflect the character's personality.  For one thing, I wouldn't have named that character Robert Frost anyway if I'd thought about it for another five seconds or so because his main magic is based on fire.  Plus, I like having something that ties the character's name to the character's personality to make it easier for readers to remember.  If I name a minor character "Aiden", then you'll think of fire (Aiden means "Flame-bringer" or something like that).  If he is a very passionate person with his feelings always at the surface, this ties the name to the character and makes it easier to remember.  However, if he was a very cool and collected person, then it would be the wrong name for him.  I mean I could randomly look up the cast and grew for Day of the Dead and start matching up names, but then it'd lose a lot of meaning.

And I can't change names.  I've tried, but it doesn't work.  In one project I was working on, there was man and a woman who were originally siblings both from Houston, TX.  I then changed the male character to being from Ireland and having moved to the US a few years previous to the story.  However, I could not bring myself to think of the character as anything other than the name I had originally chosen for him.  So now I'm forced to figure out a believable way to have her still be from Houston and him from Ireland yet still keep them siblings.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Character Names
« on: January 13, 2007, 06:58:36 PM »
This is without a doubt the number one cause for writer's block for me.  Right now, I'm trying to name the protagonist of my story.  I wanted a cool sounding last name, so I went with Frost.  I already gave him a first name in a previous version of the story I wrote years ago, which was Robert.  I thought that worked well until I put the two names together.

My main character's name is Robert Frost.

I've done the same thing with the names Kevin Smith, Michael Jackson, Robert Smith, and Gary Larson.  I've now wasted half an hour of productivity trying to come with a new name for the character.  Does anyone else have this trouble?  Am I overthinking things?  How does everyone else name their characters?

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Re: Test Audiences...helpful or hurtful?
« on: January 13, 2007, 07:04:12 AM »
I gave up on that.  I kept giving stuff I'd written to friends to get opinions and the conversation, no matter how well-read or educated the person, would go like this:

Me: So what did you think?
Them: It was good!
...
...
...
Me: And?
Them: And what?
Me: Care to expound a little more?
Them: What?  I liked it, it was good.
Me: Well, what did you like?
Them: Everything.
Me: Was there anything you didn't like?
Them: Not really.  It was good.
...
Them: What?
Me: Seriously, you're not going to hurt my feelings.  Just tell me honestly what you thought.
Them: I liked it!
...
...
Them: What?
Me: <mumbled> Thanks.

And I just don't have the heart to tell them that they did NOTHING to help me.

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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Author Craft / Re: Magic use in contemporary fantasy
« on: January 13, 2007, 06:48:53 AM »
Like I said, that's just how I picture it in my head.  The descriptions are much more fluid and the system works for visualization but is flexible enough to allow me to play fast and loose with it when writing.  It's not meant to be something like this:

"...and Elle knew she only had fourteen levels of moderate power left, but she also knew that she had her full immediate energy left to cast the fireball."  If I wanted to read (or write) that, I'd just write an RPG.

In my writing, it looks more like this:  "...and Elle had started to breathe deeply.  She'd exhausted most of her reserves of power, but her vision was still clear enough to visualize one last spell.  Flames filled her mind as she brought them into existence.  Sweat beaded from the effort and she knew this was the last of her energy..."

The Abstruse One
Darryl Mott Jr.

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