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The Dresden Files => DFRPG => Topic started by: Rubycon on August 08, 2011, 06:55:54 AM
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Hi,
how can a character build and/or use a construct with the rules given? Aczually, I have no clue...
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something similar has been discussed here, maybe it helps:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,27579.0.html
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More links to a bunch of work Sanctaphrax, Umbralux and I (and others) contributed to this topic:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,23608.0.html
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,23613.0.html
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,23624.0.html
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Thanks..
I'll read through all the stuff, hopefulle my questions will be answered... ;)
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Ultimately, RubyCon, there isn't a lot of RAW guidance, but there are three RAW options, and one post-release suggestion from Evil Hat, with my commentary:
1) A thaumaturgic Contacts roll: GM sets difficulty based on how hard it would be to secure an analogous asset using mundane means, like hiring a mercenary version. Basically when you want your thugs to be supernatural in nature, but still just thugs.
2) plot-device level Contacts roll: the shifts don't matter because the player isn't ever really in control - GM can make it as hard or easy as suits the game. This is for summoning things like the Erlking, Fairy Nobles, Chauncey.
3) the Summoning rules (a three-step ritual: create the containment circle, summon the entity, and then bargain, or defeat it in a psychic contest) can easily be adapted to Construct creation, and Evil Hat would probably suggest that be the starting point right off the bat, in line with their philosophy that we apply existing precedents to analogous situations and not require the wheel to be re-invented each time.
4) Kill something to control it: this contested method was proposed by Fred Hicks as a simplified way to do Summoning/etc., and it is to control enough shifts of power to kill whatever it is you want to create/summon and control. So stat out your desired construct/demon/fairy/etc., then do enough shifts to overcome its Stress Tracks, Consequences, etc. Usually amounts to 30+ shifts.
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Or, if the character concept is supposed to be someone who summons something to fight for him, you can go with a tweaked beast change to make things easier, like in the link I posted. We do it this way in the Sydney pbp, too.
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Summary of what devonapple, UmbraLux, and I came up with is here:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,24744.45.html (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,24744.45.html)
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Summary of what devonapple, UmbraLux, and I came up with is here:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,24744.45.html (http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,24744.45.html)
My apologies - I keep failing to find that one when I do a search.
I'm just going to have to edit my GoogleDocs summary to include these links, for future reference.
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Soulfire also creates constructs unless I am mistaken; or perhaps I am thinking of another type of construct?
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Soulfire also creates constructs unless I am mistaken; or perhaps I am thinking of another type of construct?
Soulfire creates constructs in the sense that it serves as spiritual rebar and can reinforce an evocation: Harry considered the giant Fist effect a "construct" of his mind reinforced with Soulfire, an extension of his will. That type of "construct" is actual part of how magic is visualized.
Soulfire is not, per the fiction anyway, mystically superior for creating constructs in the sense of golems, Victor Sells' scorpions, ward dogs, etc., though it could probably be a valid use of Soulfire.
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Why the apology?
I don't think you've done anything that requires one.