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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: groinkick on April 01, 2021, 05:48:18 AM
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Like could Thomas have one, or Mavra? Humans can obviously have one, and we saw a sasquatch with one. I believe it was suggested that Goodman Grey could have accepted one. I wonder about Vampires though. Because if they can, I want to see what that kind of hybrid would be capable of. I could only imagine Mavra with Deirdre's Coin... Undead spell caster with razor blade hair? Pretty scary lol.
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I mean if a Bigfoot can and Goodman Grey can I'd imagine so.
Harry certainly speculated that Thomas could take one up before when he warned him not to touch a coin back in Small Favor
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Like could Thomas have one, or Mavra? Humans can obviously have one, and we saw a sasquatch with one. I believe it was suggested that Goodman Grey could have accepted one. I wonder about Vampires though. Because if they can, I want to see what that kind of hybrid would be capable of. I could only imagine Mavra with Deirdre's Coin... Undead spell caster with razor blade hair? Pretty scary lol.
Thomas can, Jim has talked about how the result would be a very onesided power struggle between the hunger and the fallen.
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Thomas can, Jim has talked about how the result would be a very onesided power struggle between the hunger and the fallen.
Or in other words from the frying pan into the fire, as they say.
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Thomas can, Jim has talked about how the result would be a very onesided power struggle between the hunger and the fallen.
In Thomas' specific case because he tries to tamp the hunger down, or in general? For any regular whamp without a conscience, I'd expect the hunger and the fallen would be synergistic. The hunger doesn't seem to have much in the way of high-level strategic objectives that would come into conflict with the fallen's scheming; it just wants to eat life. The fallen wants to corrupt the host, and nudging them to enjoy taking life even more seems to suit the bill.
Any but the most self-disciplined of whamps in that case won't be particularly conducive to Nicodemus' brand of wanting high-functioning lieutenants, but the combination would be hell on wheels for Tessa's preference for powerful goons addicted to hedonism.
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Obviously the only person who should take up a coin should be Michael.
Because it's such a Jim thing to do. Michael, lost, angry, desiring revenge. Perhaps if Charity were to be killed it would be enough.
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Obviously the only person who should take up a coin should be Michael.
Because it's such a Jim thing to do. Michael, lost, angry, desiring revenge. Perhaps if Charity were to be killed it would be enough.
If he wants revenge bad enough to do that he has Harry and Molly's phone numbers and neither of them would mind getting nasty with whoever killed Charity. The coins just aren't that tempting to people who have other options.
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If he wants revenge bad enough to do that he has Harry and Molly's phone numbers and neither of them would mind getting nasty with whoever killed Charity. The coins just aren't that tempting to people who have other options.
You're not thinking Jim enough. What if Charity dies because of something Mab does? Harry and Molly would be powerless to raise a hand against her because all Mab would have to do is command them not to. Michael would be on his own.
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You're not thinking Jim enough. What if Charity dies because of something Mab does? Harry and Molly would be powerless to raise a hand against her because all Mab would have to do is command them not to. Michael would be on his own.
She'd have to be micromanaging them 24/7 to stop them from weaseling out from under that sort of command, not to mention willing to burn her bridges with them both by going with a plan that takes out Charity.
Also it's just not the Jim approach, he's big on consequences of prior actions coming back and this would be the world twisting itself into knots to swing at people through several layers of protection and who are staying out of the general mess of politics.
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You're not thinking Jim enough. What if Charity dies because of something Mab does? Harry and Molly would be powerless to raise a hand against her because all Mab would have to do is command them not to. Michael would be on his own.
Michael has Trust in God. He also knows that bad things happen to good people, but still chooses to Trust. Michael of all people knows that a Coin isn't the answer. Uriel.... An Archangel trusted Michael with his Grace..... Michael is made of something pretty pure even if not perfect.
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Michael has Trust in God. He also knows that bad things happen to good people, but still chooses to Trust. Michael of all people knows that a Coin isn't the answer. Uriel.... An Archangel trusted Michael with his Grace..... Michael is made of something pretty pure even if not perfect.
Michael is human, so anything is possible, however I agree, things would have to be worse than dire for him to even consider being tempted by a coin. And even then, I think he'd reject it, and as you say, "put his trust in the Almighty."
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Mab would not do something like that because Molly has to balance the scales. It would make winter totally unmanageable.
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Hell, Mab wouldn't do it because Mab would have to balance the scales.
She's a faerie. Killing Charity would incur a massive debt to the entire Carpenter family.
For one thing, she'd probably be on the hook for raising the rest of the Jawas, which would either result in a Evil Stepmother scenario or a hilarious sitcom plot about a faerie queen adapting to life in the 'burbs- possibly both.
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Hell, Mab wouldn't do it because Mab would have to balance the scales.
She's a faerie. Killing Charity would incur a massive debt to the entire Carpenter family.
For one thing, she'd probably be on the hook for raising the rest of the Jawas, which would either result in a Evil Stepmother scenario or a hilarious sitcom plot about a faerie queen adapting to life in the 'burbs- possibly both.
Let's not forget that she can't personally do a hit on a mortal. I am sure she could cook something up to take out Charity without incurring debt, I mean she is among the worlds foremost experts on the subject. I think the one thing we can agree on is that she won't be able to get her Knight to do the job.
The question is WHY would Mab put a hit on Charity. She certainly knows who Charity is and she knows that if something bad happened to her it would cause unimaginable turmoil in her Winter Lady. Even if Charity found out about Molly being a Queen under Mab and went looking for revenge against Winter, I don't know if Charity could make herself enough of a nuisance for Mab to need to act that severely.
I'll tell you one person who I wouldn't mind seeing with a Coin just because it means the gloves can come off in dealing with him.......good ole Rudolph.
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I'll tell you one person who I wouldn't mind seeing with a Coin just because it means the gloves can come off in dealing with him.......good ole Rudolph.
Now that I could see, and it would work on a number of levels.
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I'll tell you one person who I wouldn't mind seeing with a Coin just because it means the gloves can come off in dealing with him.......good ole Rudolph.
Hmm ... it's a long shot, but what if he already has been? H+K speculated he was being paid to stick the bank thing to them, but it didn't really fit with their previous theory he was on Marcone's payroll. What if Nic mailed him a coin after skipping town, and he's semi-possessed rather than bought? Maybe he's new enough not to be fully under the Fallen's thumb, but more or less as susceptible to mood and perception manipulation as Hannah Ascher was?
A fallen riding shotgun and torquing his mood and perceptions would explain a lot - the repeated loss of control, the apparently delusional take that Karrin had blown up a person rather than a jotun, and firing without seeming to mean to.
At first it seems weird that if he had a coin, he wouldn't have transformed when Harry was trying to kill him. But what if instigating Harry to murder him was the whole fallen plan? If Butters hadn't stopped him, he was on the verge of doing something that would have stained him as a warlock, submerged him into the winter knight mantle, and possibly even corrupted his access to soulfire (based on the smell of brimstone when Butters cut him). Could be Rudolph as a host, especially a not fully compliant one, wouldn't have been enough to take Harry out in an open fight. But tricking him into corrupting himself with a wrathful murder, with good odds Uriel would cut him loose and the Council might take him out? That's a good trade for one dixie cup bearer.
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Now that I could see, and it would work on a number of levels.
It would not work. Rudolph is not interesting for a fallen who pretends to work with the host and a fallen who just takes over is not really interesting for us.
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It would not work. Rudolph is not interesting for a fallen who pretends to work with the host and a fallen who just takes over is not really interesting for us.
I think that remains to be seen, take the one back in Death Masks that Harry accidentally soul gazes.
The poor man is literally crucified by his very bad choice. It could be a take on a Denarian miscalculation. On the surface Rudolph might seem ripe to take a coin, but because he is so weak it is a disaster for the Fallen.
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Hell, Mab wouldn't do it because Mab would have to balance the scales.
She's a faerie. Killing Charity would incur a massive debt to the entire Carpenter family.
For one thing, she'd probably be on the hook for raising the rest of the Jawas, which would either result in a Evil Stepmother scenario or a hilarious sitcom plot about a faerie queen adapting to life in the 'burbs- possibly both.
I would watch the Hell out of that sitcom. And I don't like sitcoms.
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I would watch the Hell out of that sitcom. And I don't like sitcoms.
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Queen Mab thought she had it rough when she was waging an endless war against Lovecraftian Horrors from beyond time and space. But she’s about to find out:
Judge: I sentence you to 10 years hard Parenting!
She was dead wrong.
Now this former queen is about to experience
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How the other half lives.
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It would be awful and ridiculous and amazing.