Ive been racking my brain to try and figure out who of Harrys enemies has a name that starts with JNot many. I was looking earlier. Really just Justin, or the Jade Court (doesn't seem like something an isolationist faction would do, unless Nemfected?), or the Genowska (sounds like J to start with), or Jenny Greenteeth (dead but maybe not?).
I think either you're right or he was warning Harry about Justine, not asking Harry to protect her.
Wouldn't be the first time would it? Finally the book arrived around one this afternoon.. I began
reading, why is it when you want peace and to be left alone, it doesn't happen?
Anyway, I haven't gotten too far, but a thought occurred to me as Harry gazed at his mangled brother.
What if his assumptions were wrong? What if(click to show/hide)
After I've finished this book, need to go back and check out names that are even remotely close, who do they belong to? It could be very important in how this all comes out.
4) We have to assume Justin is good enough to enthral Thomas. We know he has experience with it, as he did it to Justine.Do you mean Justin enthralled Elaine?
Do you mean Justin enthralled Elaine?Oops, yup.
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Ive been racking my brain to try and figure out who of Harrys enemies has a name that starts with J
Not many. I was looking earlier. Really just Justin, or the Jade Court (doesn't seem like something an isolationist faction would do, unless Nemfected?), or the Genowska (sounds like J to start with), or Jenny Greenteeth (dead but maybe not?).
"Junghg.S'Jnngh.
There is quite literally an "s" in Justine. ???
But it doesn't begin with "s" does it? S'Junngh? Does that even remotely sound like Justine? MoreThe "S'" might have been a slur. Or he might have segmented the name into two exhalations because he couldn't speak "Juh. Stine"
like Sungh or something similar.
Re: "Junghg. S'Jnngh."
I translated this as: "Justine. It's Justine."
Re: "Junghg. S'Jnngh."Or... Just off the cuff...
How about something as simple as "giant." With the slurring of words it make sense, especially if If Thomas didn't know what it was he might have gone with a simple description. In that case it could be anything that's really big.Giant seems more likely than Jotun. But "Gi" sounds different from "Ju". "Jn" is closer.
Personally, I don't trust Justine. She was way more capable in the short story Even Hand than we've ever seen her in the books and there's never been a reasonable explanation how she became steady minded. In Grave Peril, Justine revealed that being with Thomas barely kept her sane, but somehow after almost being killed by Thomas she made a more than full recovery and eventually became the Raith office manager and after that a double agent working for both Lara and Harry. As Harry's spy she just collects information, but we know from Even Hand that she has done field work for Lara, and done it well. It's like Jim expects us to ignore Justine because Harry sees her as both incredibly sexy but also very sweet and; not innocent exactly, but something nice and maybe just a little too good to be true.
I think the Thomas + Justine True Love goes a fair way to defending her character, particularly from the angle of being loyal to Thomas.1) He wasn't, he was trying to warn him and got interrupted and blamed by the bad guy.
That said, I've yet to see a theory that resolves the "why exactly did Thomas attack Etri?" question satisfactorily.
Wouldn't be the first time would it? Finally the book arrived around one this afternoon.. I began
reading, why is it when you want peace and to be left alone, it doesn't happen?
Anyway, I haven't gotten too far, but a thought occurred to me as Harry gazed at his mangled brother.
What if his assumptions were wrong? What if(click to show/hide)
After I've finished this book, need to go back and check out names that are even remotely close, who do they belong to? It could be very important in how this all comes out.
The attacks look like someone is plotting against Lara. You have Eb suddenly going on about the Vamps. Thomas attacking the Swartelves, a leaker from Lara's court. Could this be Eb taking revenge on the Raith's? Or maybe Marcone is plotting a take down his primary supernatural rival in Chicago.
Thomas could be the source of the leaks as well. A threat to Justine would be sufficient if it were potent enough.Solid point.
Yeah, I'm on my second reread and I missed Lara feeding him. Iteration two is that there are two Justine's.
My reluctance to think Eb is involved is because him arranging a hit on an accorded nation's leader, who is currently allied against a common foe, right before a very much needed peace summit where he wouldn't want to risk peace failing because of his meddling, seems unlikely. Not without him having intentions of ruining things, which also seems out of character.
Thomas is still able to feed -- see Lara feeding him energy in the boat at the end.
It's just that Thomas was beaten until his Hunger stopped healing the damage, because it was out of energy. It's like what the Naagloshi did to Thomas in Turn Coat, but without the delicate balance.
That's an interesting thought. Add to that -- Lara's great victory was getting Thomas moved to Marcone's stronghold, where it turned out there was a glaring opening in his defenses. If this was his plot, you know he's got lots of video of Lara and Dresden breaking Thomas out.
I'm not sure how he'd provide what Thomas needs, though. He might be able to buy help with that from Odin, but why wouldn't Thomas be able to just buy that himself?
Aren't we missing something here? Lara gets Harry's temporary service in which he must fulfill two favors for her. When Nicodemus got Mab to loan him Harry, Nic had specific uses in mind for Harry; opening a way to Hades vault and getting through the Gate of Ice. Lara never gave a hint that she needed Harry for any specific purpose. Using Harry to get an introduction to Cristos seemed to me like a really minor use of one of her favors, but even if it was necessary it should have come at the expense of something else. Using Harry to rescue Thomas was a necessity, but it still should have futzed up her original plans, assuming she had any. Yet Lara never complained or even mentioned that some scheme she was working on had been derailed by Thomas' actions. It's like Lara knew she would need Harry to rescue Thomas.
I hate to say this, but it's kinda weak writing. If Lara set this up, even Harry should quickly be able to see through something so transparent. If Lara didn't set up this situation, it's still not good because she should have been annoyed that Thomas upset her original plans.
Wait... was the introduction to Christos supposed to be one of the favors?It's implied in the book that it's one of the favors. Lara just sucks at picking her favors. She probably could have easily persuaded Harry to introduce her *and* rescue Thomas without using a favor on either.
I thought only the breakout attempt was an official favor, and Lara still has one of those in the bank. (Which is particularly disturbing when you realize how furious she is at Harry right at the moment...)
Could she have asked that favor, though? Mab doesn't have that kind of authority over Harry's Warden hat.Seems possible. There's been no other suggestion as to how Lara would have had it done. I was wondering if maybe we'd be seeing Lara take a turn to the Dark Side and start dealing with Outsiders like her father, but it would appear that she's going with Mab instead.
Also, Mab says that Lara earned three favors but she already provided one. Any ideas about the first favor? My first thought was the wards on the Raith estate.
That was my first thought as well, but I thing Gard the Second did that.That's a good possibility as well.
That was my first thought as well, but I thing Gard the Second did that.Yeah, one or the other for sure. I thought it might have been a lot for one valkyrie to get through in the time since TC (although, on second thought, Shagnasty might have been an impetus to get that project started).
Seems possible. There's been no other suggestion as to how Lara would have had it done. I was wondering if maybe we'd be seeing Lara take a turn to the Dark Side and start dealing with Outsiders like her father, but it would appear that she's going with Mab instead.