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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 27, 2015, 03:32:09 AM »
Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 27, 2015, 03:28:45 AM
He shows up as Kringle in the spring in SKIN GAME, and as Odin in November in CHANGES.

...well, balls.

It's a shame that it isn't anything as simple as Mab swapping out personas depending on the occasion.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 27, 2015, 02:49:28 AM »
Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 26, 2015, 10:20:14 PM
I'll agree that Vadderung seems to be a lesser form of Odin.  But I'm not sure they're so easily divided.  We saw Vadderung at the seat of his power, and Vadderung's power is directly tied to Odin.  He has Odin's ravens, he has his troops, he uses Odin's eye as his symbol.  It seems more like Odin became Vadderung as his power waned.  He's not what he once was.  He's probably still packing more than what we've seen, but as we've seen him take the field with Gungnir, I think he's still definitely what's left of Odin.

Hang on a moment.  Does anyone remember the exact quote from Cold Days?

Kringle says something to the effect of "Before Halloween, I'm not Santa; afterwards, I am."  Maybe his Mantle is dependent on when in the year it is?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:15:12 PM »
Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 26, 2015, 05:05:47 PM
They have SOME latitude but they must be beholden to the Queens otherwise Kringle wouldn't have felt obliged to show up to Mac's in SG as anything.

I think that the distinction is that while the "Summer King", the Erlking, is nominally affiliated with Summer but is in reality a major lord of the Wyldfae, the "Winter King" is actually a member of Mab's court, hence why she can order him around.  At the same time, ol' Kringle is allowed latitude to act outside of the rules and restrictions of the Winter Fae in his role as Donar Vadderung, CEO of Monoc Securities, which is about as separate from the Fae as you can get.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:59:58 AM »
Quote from: forumghost on February 26, 2015, 06:18:50 AM
One of his Names is "Oathbreaker".

I'd forgotten about that tidbit until now.  Wonder how Jim's going to play it out in-story?  After all, one keeping one's oath is hugely important in Dresden's world.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 22, 2015, 05:13:49 AM »
Quote from: Al-Hajj Bilal Ammar Jihad on February 22, 2015, 04:31:16 AM
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure there's either brief mention in DB text or a WoJ that she wanted the book because it could be used by necromancers to threaten the Black Court.  Anyone with a reasonably intact memory care to take a swing at this?

Well, Harry's threat to her at the end of Dead Beat certainly seems to suggest that Mavra believes that necromancy can be turned against blampires like herself, and that the Word of Kemmler specifically contained that information.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 20, 2015, 10:07:48 PM »
Quote from: Eldest Gruff on February 20, 2015, 09:59:13 PM
Olympia, Washington?

Okay, maybe not that literally.  Socal.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 20, 2015, 09:56:48 PM »
...I hate all of you.  Literally as far away as you can get from NY in the continental US here.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 14, 2015, 07:31:31 AM »
Quote from: namkcas on February 14, 2015, 04:10:32 AM
So, I have enjoyed the many thoughtful posts in this thread.  It has led me to another question.  I don't have a theory yet, but wanted to post it to allow others to add it to the questions here.

If the WoJ is that Mab is as powerful as stated, then why did she the attack on Arctus Tor to continue?  It seems to me that given the location that she could have shown up and pretty much crushed any attacking force.  Which leads me to ask, why do we think Winter was defending?  If Mab was distracted, Maeve could have been in control of Arctus Tor and that the battle was an attempt to retake it.

Or scarier thought: the attacking force was so powerful that Mab only just managed to beat it off.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
« on: February 13, 2015, 05:58:23 PM »
Honestly, I think that the Outsiders are the only ones with the oomph to even think of taking Mab on in the heart of her own power.  Yes, Cowl and the rest of the Circle represent a power that could go toe-to-toe with the Senior Council in a fair fight any day, but if I remember correctly, Jim said something about how it would take basically everyone who took on Kemmler, PLUS knowing Mab's Name and isolating her from her power to even put a dent in her defenses.

As for the Hellfire, maybe Nemesis meat puppeted Nammy-boy over there?

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2014, 09:47:25 PM »
Alas! I am wounded.

No worries, mate.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2014, 05:09:25 PM »
Okay, I'd forgotten that Mab said that explicitly.  Point conceded.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2014, 04:54:03 PM »
Quote from: The Badger on December 16, 2014, 04:18:10 PM
This isn't throwing an elbow at a fellow boxer.  This is trying to shoot the referee.

And what I'm saying is that Mab doesn't care if you shoot the ref.  She's MAB, for crying out loud, her idea of rehab is attempting to assassinate Harry once a day.  If the ref doesn't have the strength to take the bullet and give back as good as he got he has no business being a signatory.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 16, 2014, 03:59:33 PM »
I'm thinking that Small Favor was less of a violation because Accord members are expected to be capable of taking care of themselves.  If you don't have the muscle to back up your claim as an Accord member, then you're screwed, period.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Deirdre's Coin [Possible Spoilers]
« on: December 15, 2014, 09:26:24 PM »
From what I remember, Shiro never mentioned that those duels he had explicitly with Denarians involved were ever Accord-sanctioned.  Even if they were, how would that work?  I was under the impression that both combatants had to be members for that to happen, and the Knights were never part of the Accords.

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