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The Dresden Files => DF Books => Topic started by: Tanstar on April 27, 2017, 08:04:11 PM
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April 1, 2027 might be a generous release date for Peace Talks, plus we'd then get each of the remaining books every 6 months. At this rate that could be an improvement on the timing of the series.
Sorry, I just miss the days of a new Dresden Novel every year with a Codex book every other 6 months.
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<queue the dramatic responses>
On a mountain of skulls, in the castle of pain, I sat on a throne of blood!
What was will be! What is will be no more! Now is the season of evil!
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I have passed the storm of anger and anticipation, and now I have a Zen attitude towards this.
The book will come when the book will come, and the door is ajar.
Also I'm pretty sure Butcher is going for a very cruel Douglas Adams jokes and the book is going to be released in December 2017, 42 months after the last book.
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Priscilla has Cassandra's tears.
Jim Butcher has mine.
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I keep looking at Jim's schedule of cons and signings and wonder. Does he have time to write lately?
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I'm thinking he may be taking a page from RR Martin and make us wait 5-6 years in between..
He should be taking a page from King, who was forced into writing himself into the Dark Tower series as punishment for walking away from the series. I hope Jim doesn't fancy long walks on deserted Missouri highways, his story may resemble Ned Beatty's instead of King.
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I think life is happening and he's not on a deadline.
Stop giggling his elbow and he'll be done when he's done.
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There is a possibility that no one here has mentioned. It is altogether possible that part of the divorce settlement was that Jim's ex would receive a substantial portion of Jim's future royalties. That might make him less inclined to keep pumping out literary works. Maybe he found other employment that would not be affected by alimony.
:-X :( :-X
He did say a couple years ago that the reason he was writing so much is because of "alimony". Now it seems there's been no apparent forward movement on it, but he seems to be doing editing work, and pumping out short stories for different anthologies on the reg.
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There is a possibility that no one here has mentioned. It is altogether possible that part of the divorce settlement was that Jim's ex would receive a substantial portion of Jim's future royalties. That might make him less inclined to keep pumping out literary works. Maybe he found other employment that would not be affected by alimony.
:-X :( :-X
Don't say that or Priscilla will show up and call you names :P
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We can feel however we like about the delay, Jim himself put the word on the table. That said Priscilla is his friend, and thats what friends do. We should all be so lucky.
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Is speculation about Mr Butchers personal life really fair game here? I wouldn't like it if I were he. He's written 16 or so books and he may just need to recharge and take a vacation. Maybe Mab has inserted a ringer who can't write, for the real Jim Butcher. Maybe he's finishing the series in one sitting so he can be done with it and move on to his Steam Punk series. Maybe, maybe, maybe. :D
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Priscilla strikes me as someone who is level-headed and understanding. I doubt if she would take offence at the mere suggestion of Jim deliberately slowing down, or finding an alternate income. Jim did say that the short stories take as much work as the novels. That is why he dislikes writing them. We fans can only hope for the best for Jim.
??? :-\ ???
You would be sadly wrong.
While I agree that alimony and divorce might be sufficient reason to slow down your work progress although an honest tweet or statement regarding the slow down would still be nice, especially compared to the usual report Butcher has with his fans.
I once (while being very clear that this is just a crazy fun theory and rummer) suggested that alimony might be the reason why Peace Talks takes such a long time, since Butcher would rather work on things of which he can keep all the money (i.e. Cinder Spires etc.). This was on the Dresden Files subreddit.
Everyone responded rather reasonable to my post with things like "well this sucks but makes sense" etc, and then a user with the account name Priscilla showed up (most likely her, since she has a mod account/red name account over on the subreddit) to call me a horrible person and fake fan for spreading such awful rumours. The thread then devolved and the typical "butcher ain't your b*tch" slugfest, and other mods shot it down.
As a cherry on top the next day someone reposted here the interview in which Butcher himself says "alimony" when asked why he writes two series simultaneously again. As we all know "filthy rumours" usually have primary sources from the object mouth themselves. I have yet to receive an apology, despite being completely cooperative with here ridiculous demands like telling her where I heard this story so she can "put out this rumour at it's source".
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I think it is a huge business mistake to delay publishing the book. The money that he will earn from the books can't be invested when he hasn't earned it yet. He also loses the additional royalties that his series would have generated from the books being available to purchase for a longer period of time. In addition, new readers might be hesitant to read the books when there are so many years between new books being released. I also think that as the series loses momentum he'll lose readers which is an unfortunate fact of life. In another two years, a 22 year old college grad might look at the series as something that he read "back in high school." You get the point, people have life happen and move on.
I also think that it would be good public relations to have a brief statement on this forum about his book release and the delay. I think a majority of Jim Butcher's fans like him and want to like him. Having said that, his personal life is none of my business and the details of his divorce decree are also none of my business.
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Man... all the different and off the wall speculations of why Peace Talks isn't out yet are mind boggling. I want to find out what happens to Harry and crew too, but damn...
Speculating if Jim is dressed, has to pay his ex, or reason XYZ is kind of insulting to him. I know if read these boards I wouldn't want to interact based on the stuff that's being talked about.
The book will be done when it's done. Until then pick up another book!
=)
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I do not scour the World Wide Web for every tidbit I can find about my favorite authors, singers, or movie and television players.
I haven't been able to find any risque pictures of Jim Butcher, but there is a video of him in the gym https://youtu.be/a11k4RA_-L8.
I wasn't trying to pick on anyone for speculating about alimony, it's just the level of detail needed to truly understand his divorce settlement and decree far exceed what I should know about a stranger. For instance, in a non-community property state is the intellectual property of an existing character's future use being divided or just existing royalties on existing books? Or maybe what is being divided is the expected value of a contract existing prior to the divorce that won't be complete until after the divorce (i.e. book deal). Why would any Court award a property interest in work that is performed after the divorce (i.e. book deal). On the other hand, sometimes people feel bad about divorces and put things on the table that they don't need to give away. In addition, none of the prior things actually addressed the issue of alimony which is a flat monthly payout. In negotiating alimony, or taking it to trial, to what extent (if any) do the parties or the Court allow any future royalties to be subtracted from the alimony? I don't actually need to know any of these things.
However, I could use more videos of Jim Butcher comparing himself to Wolverine because that was funny. I'll even forgive him for calling a quarter depth hack bar squat a "squat." Even though I really shouldn't. Alright, I admit it I am going to hold this "squat" thing against him. :)
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Speculation and Wild Ass Guesses are the meat and bones of this forum. What is actually written in the books has been picked apart to the "N-th degree". The very day that Cold Days came out, people were already asking when the next book would be ready.
There may be twenty dozen reason why Peace Talks is not already on the shelves. Some of those reasons may be personal. Many artists have held back a work because the time was not right for it. With a lack of hard information, speculation is all we have.
8) 8) 8)
I think the point is, WAGs about his fictional world are cool. WAGs about his personal life are not.
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I think the nature of the internet has made everyone forgetful about perspective and exacerbates instant gratification that people can't see the forest for the trees. The average book wait for popular series is about two-four years even without other projects or personal matters and that is not even taking into account quality of said books. I mean A Feast of Crows and a Dance for Dragons took five years in publication and nothing happens except setting up for events that may eventually happen in the next book in maybe six years later. The supposed main villains the White Walkers make about two appearances, (no seriously I am not kidding two) and has the most boring and least impactful character in contemporary fantasy in Quentyn Martell. In Cold Days Harry fights Outsiders with Santa Claus, and in Skin Game pulls a heist into Hell. Granted having the premise of Peace Talks be who would win in a fight between who, does not help the geekiness in us all but we have been lucky so far that the books have been published yearly and even more so that they have been increasing in quality which I thought was impossible for a book that had a zombified T Rex in it but humility is a virtue just like patience is
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I'm a complete amateur regarding posting links or anything like that but there are some vids of Jim from the PhoenixCom on youtube where he discusses progress on Peace Talks and his future writing plans. The main one I focused on was posted by Priscilla Spencer (maybe somebody less inept than me could put a link on here?).
If you want to skip to the meat of that discussion it kicks in at 13:12. In summary he says;
- he needs to get a suitable workplace up and running, but he is hoping to move into his new house on 30th June, whereupon he will attempt to complete the following;
- First a short story told from the POV's of Harry, Maggie and Mouse about Maggie's first trip to a zoo. Upon completion, that and all short stories not in Side Jobs will be released as Brief Cases. No timetable but clear implication that the publishers want it out soon,
- Then Peace Talks, followed by Cinder Spires 2, followed by first Maggie young adult novel, followed by Mirror Mirror. Again no timelines but he sounded very confident that once he has his writing zone back in place he will get his mojo back.
Feeling quite positive after watching that!
Edit: just noticed there is an entire thread on this on the spoilers page so please ignore this dumb post. Dagnabbit! :-)
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Huh, did'nt know he is divorced...
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TL;DR - his housing situation sucks, so hes not writing as fast as he (and James Marsters) wants.
PHCC talks indicate that he is living with his fiance, in a house she bought with her own money, so he doesn't feel he has the moral authority to tell everyone to "Shut up and go away" for him to write. On top of that he is dealing with having his house built - a construction project that is 15 months behind schedule. He is making writing progress on peace talks but its going at a snails pace. Once he moves in (11 days from the date of this post, assuming the contractor didn't slow down again), he should be able to get back into a good writing pace.
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TL;DR - his housing situation sucks, so hes not writing as fast as he (and James Marsters) wants.
Has Marsters weighed in on this?
I met Marsters a few years back and despite being a Buffy born nerd (Seriously, I met my wife in the WB's Buffy chatroom), I had to talk to him about his voice work for the audiobooks. He enjoyed it but also said it was some of the hardest work he did, because he's kind of speaking into an endless void, as opposed to acting with other people etc.
I was psyched when they re-recorded Ghost Story with Marsters (Shout out to John Glover's Sir Stewart though). If nothing else I'm hoping these continued delays don't cost us ADHD listeners our star reader.
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Has Marsters weighed in on this?
Paraphrasing Jim at PHCC "James Marsters asked me when the next book will be ready *bangs forehead on microphone*"
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Well we dont want another "Scheduling Conflict if we can avoid it, re-doing the GS audiobook couldnt have been cheap. :P
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I've been buying the Dresden files the first week that the hardback (and later the ebook) came out - starting around book 4. Happy to spend the money to get the next volume as quickly as possible. Three years later that is not going to happen. I'll wait until the ebook hits paperback prices - however long that takes. Maybe in another ten years if he has put several Dresden Files books out on a one a year schedule I'll go back to spending the extra money.
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Disincentivizing authors, especially ones who are behind schedule, know it, hate it, and can do nothing about it... yeah, that will get books faster.
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I was going to say "that's magnanimous of you!" And I just did. . .
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Dont forget his dog died the other year. Life gets messed up and hectic at times.
Not to mention Peace Talks is suppose to be the biggest one yet.
I look forward to the coolness that will be Peace talks.
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Disincentivizing authors, especially ones who are behind schedule, know it, hate it, and can do nothing about it... yeah, that will get books faster.
Right... punish them for having lives and being human. That'll make them write faster and better books. :o
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If all went according to plan, he moved in today. That puts his schedule (if I remember right) on a finished manuscript by Thanksgiving and a tentative release next spring. I'm willing to wait. Are you?
As to Priscilla, she normally is pretty level-headed, but she's also more active with the fandom than Jim himself is, and from what I've seen perceived insults against him are a bit of a trigger with her. Let the man write and nobody gets hurt.
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If all went according to plan, he moved in today. That puts his schedule (if I remember right) on a finished manuscript by Thanksgiving and a tentative release next spring.
He was at a con this weekend... and It is the 4th of July 4 day weekend... so between that and settling in after a move - because moves suck and take longer than a day - assume that he isn't going to have a chance to sit down to write until the 10th (next Monday as of this post). But still! I've waited this long, I can wait an additional week.
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Huh, did'nt know he is divorced...
It's not the kind of thing you're eager to talk about.
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Jeezum...uh...Welcome back, Jim.
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Jeezum...uh...Welcome back, Jim.
Or was he always here... watching...
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Don't do that. We don't need MORE conspiracies here.
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Don't do that. We don't need MORE conspiracies here.
This site is 30% theory, 30% conspiracy, 30% conspiracy theory, 30% theory conspiracy, and 20% bad at math. One more isn't going to break--
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It's not the kind of thing you're eager to talk about.
I know right just the other day my mother told me my father left his wife for her when she had me and that they got divorced two weeks after I was born. That explained twenty years of forced smiles by my half-brothers mother and the polite hatred directed towards my family by the baptists :-\
This site is 30% theory, 30% conspiracy, 30% conspiracy theory, 30% theory conspiracy, and 20% bad at math. One more isn't going to break--
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Don't forget sixty percent Outsider possessed Russian spammers :)
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Or was he always here... watching...
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Good one with Odin giving Loki the knowing look.
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Good one with Odin giving Loki the knowing look.
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I know life gets in the way, but I can't imagine I'm the only one experiencing this so I thought I should share:
This is the first time in a while I've checked to see when the new book is coming, and it occurred to me that the times I've checked have been getting increasingly more widely spaced.
Someone else said they'd gotten Zen about it, and maybe that's what's happened to me, but I'm wondering if it's because I'm increasing indifferent, which is a shame, given that I used to be so eager to read them that I switched to the hardcovers because I wasn't willing to wait for the paperbacks (and, cost aside, the fact that I'm usually OCD about how books in a series should visually align on my bookshelf, that's saying something).
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Alas, Jim did finish a book, just not Peace Talks... yet. I would be surprised if we didn't have a tentative release date before the new year.
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I still have hope about PT but my wife thinks it is more of a delusion on my part.
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It's not the kind of thing you're eager to talk about.
I second that. Divorce is the most hellish thing I've ever gone through.
Do what you need to for you Mr. Butcher. Whenever Peace Talks becomes available I'll pre-order it. In the meantime, at least we've got some short stories coming out to get our Dresden fix.
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Oh crap, I had no idea that Jim and Shannon got divorced. How awful. My deepest condolences.
And now I see that Jim is with Kitty Krell. That's cool. I guess I've been way out of the loop for quite awhile.
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My running theory was that Harry Dresden had somehow fallen through a rift in space-time and encountered Jim, just like Roland of Gilead did with Stephen King. Only instead of encouraging Jim to write more, Dresden’s been doing everything he can do to stop him. The Laws of Nature between creator and creation stop Harry from actually hurting Jim, but Harry is Harry. The poor man’s probably been through several dozen laptops, desktops, and game consoles just due to wizard interference – and when he does get a chance to write, shivering with cold and using pen and paper by candlelight, Harry is always there, slowly and methodically reciting the entire script of A New Hope.
Over.
And over.
And over.
On a serious note: Jim, if you read this (because wow, he actually goes on this forum!) take all the time you need. I’ll be there whenever it comes out. If every book in the future takes a bit longer, no problem at all. I love your work and am thrilled with everything we’ve received thus far.
And though I may be murdered by all of the fans who are currently dying for Peace Talks, I will just throw out that if you feel like you really need to write the The Olympian Affair now to make you happy, I am 100% down for that. We all need a little bit more Rowl in our lives.
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And though I may be murdered by all of the fans who are currently dying for Peace Talks, I will just throw out that if you feel like you really need to write the The Olympian Affair now to make you happy, I am 100% down for that. We all need a little bit more Rowl in our lives.
Fah! Aeronaut's Windlass was awesome, I can't wait for Olympian Affair any more than I can wait for Peace Talks.
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I'm waiting patiently, because I want to read the best book Butcher can put out. So I'll wait. In the meantime, my other books are getting a little tattered.