Hi,
simple question: Was HP Lovecraft trying to do the same to outsiders as Bram Stroker to Black Court Vampires by writing stories about them...?
Don't mistake Bram Stoker for the instigator, he got that book published and popularized because the White Council wanted it to. I think that Lovecraft was either an unwitting Outsider puppet, spreading knowledge to the populace, or he accidentally stumbled upon said knowledge and thought it might make a good story :)One of jims last posts confirms it was actually the White Court that had Dracula published, though the poor blampires weren't aware of this until well after the fact.
One of jims last posts confirms it was actually the White Court that had Dracula published, though the poor blampires weren't aware of this until well after the fact.
Well, Outsiders as a group don't seem to have a weakness the way that the Black Court does. This makes it really difficult to out them to the world in order to take them down.
You didn't. In the original printing of the book in question it said White Council. Since it was the same book that Jim accidentally changed the name of a character from book one, I can see him saying "I meant White Court" and meaning it.
Richard
Most of the Mythos stories do end with catastrophe being averted by human action.I'd say that it mostly only looks that way from a human time scale. You can't objectively say that you averted a catastrophe when the things that intends to carry it out has -- from their perspective -- more or less hit the snooze bar and opted for 9 more minutes of sleep.
The best that you can really fairly say about the stories is that the protagonists sometimes manage to foist off the problem on future generations.If you assume the Mythos is true that's the best possible outcome.
Now I'm just curious: which character? If I've spotted this, then I've forgotten about it altogether :)
If you assume the Mythos is true that's the best possible outcome.Yes, and I'd hardly call that crisis averted or victory for the good guys. Everyone's still doomed. Just, you know, a little bit later than previously.
In book one, Harry leaves before a very angry Red Court Vampire attacks him and she summons one of her assistants / working girls / lovers to her. That woman is killed and the Red Court Vampire blames Harry for her death - "If you hadn't had made me angry I wouldn't have killed her so it's all your fault". Which is why in book 3 the vampire sets Harry up - she's being used as a pawn but for her it's personal.
The name of the woman who died? It depends on the book. Jim got it wrong in book three and his editor didn't catch it. There are several posts from him pointing out this mistake and that because of that he pays more attention to continuality.
Richard
Looking at an Outsider like He Who Walks Behind and comparing him to Lovecraft's Yog-Sothothery, they don't seem to compare very well.Remember, everything we know about HHWB and his attitude towards reality is filtered through Harry's brain. It's possible that Harry couldn't comprehend HHBW's feelings and understood them in more familiar terms.
Lovecraft's alien-gods are keen to invade our world, but they don't Hate the way the Walker does. And they generally don't give a Tinker's cuss about humans.
Looking at an Outsider like He Who Walks Behind and comparing him to Lovecraft's Yog-Sothothery, they don't seem to compare very well.
Lovecraft's alien-gods are keen to invade our world, but they don't Hate the way the Walker does. And they generally don't give a Tinker's cuss about humans.
Lovecraft's alien-gods are keen to invade our world, but they don't Hate the way the Walker does. And they generally don't give a Tinker's cuss about humans.Well, some are keen to invade, and others aren't. Their motivations get more and more incoherent the more powerful they get, to the point where Azathoth doesn't seem to have any motivations at all, certainly not ones we could understand.
Apropos of nothing...Just remember to never read the name of the King In Yellow out loud. For realsies.
Last spring, I found a paperback copy of the Necronomicon at a garage sale. ??? I keep meaning to read it, but haven't found the time yet.
Looking at an Outsider like He Who Walks Behind and comparing him to Lovecraft's Yog-Sothothery, they don't seem to compare very well.
Lovecraft's alien-gods are keen to invade our world, but they don't Hate the way the Walker does. And they generally don't give a Tinker's cuss about humans.
You didn't. In the original printing of the book in question it said White Council. Since it was the same book that Jim accidentally changed the name of a character from book one, I can see him saying "I meant White Court" and meaning it.Are you referring to SF or GP becuse i dont remember it being mentioned who was behiend the publication of dracula untill BR... am i just forgetting something?
Richard