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DF Spoilers / Re: Christmas Eve from JB's Twitter (no news, just fun)
« on: January 03, 2019, 06:00:19 AM »
If the school is for supernatural people they could have a system to manage the money, no questions asked. So perhaps Harry put the biggest part of the diamonds as payment for Maggie's education.

I am just saying, I have not read Zoo Day or the first chapters of PT.

1. Doesn't that seem like something Marcone would do?  He has a supernatural bank; or make that a bank for supernatural customers, so why not an investment service or money (loot) transfer service for the same groups and individuals?  Of course I can't see Harry trusting anything run by Marcone.  Now that I think about it, Harry should get a safe deposit box at Marcone's bank for his diamonds, but he won't for the reason above.   

2. That's why I spoiler tagged it.  I know many people haven't read chapter 1 and I know some of those same people are loath to learn spoilers so far in advance of the actual publication.  Funny thing is, it's been so long since I read chapter 1, I barely remember what any of the characters said to each other.  I just remember a few basic facts, so Jim could rewrite that entire chapter and if those two or three major things didn't change, I wouldn't notice the difference. 

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Fool Moon - Marcone saves Harry from the Streetwolves leader Parker, who was about to bash Harry's head in.  I forget what Bob called the Streetwolves.  Lycanthra-something or other.  Not true werewolves, but people with the spirit of an animal within them, and super healing abilities.

Summer Knight - The gatekeeper intervenes on Harry's behalf before the Council to take up Mab's request, rather than letting the Merlin sell Harry out to the Red Court.
Lea saves Harry from Grum (who was really Summer Lady Aurora's henchman) by pretending she was a neighbor who heard a fight going on and called the police.
Elaine talks Aurora into not killing Harry and binds him with a spell she knows he can break.

Death Masks - Martin shoots Duke Ortega before Ortega could shoot Harry during their duel.

Blood Rites - Mavra's minions appear just when Lara was getting ready to shoot Harry, forcing Lara and Harry to work together.
Thomas pays Harry's bill to Kincaid.  (Though the threat from not paying Kincaid was not immediate, the eventual consequences would have been just as deadly as anything else mentioned here.) 

Dead Beat - Butters saves Harry from Quintas Cassius (A.K.A. Snake Boy)

Turn Coat - Morgan saves Harry from Peabody sticking a knife through Harry's eye.

Ghost Story - Bob saves Harry from; I don't remember what kind of ghosts they were, but they were trying to eat Harry.

Cold Days - Molly saves Harry from the pixie death squad.

Peace Talks - Hannah Ascher saves Harry from the Octo-Kongs.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Christmas Eve from JB's Twitter (no news, just fun)
« on: January 03, 2019, 02:43:54 AM »
Hasn't Jim said somewhere that Mab and Winter are in charge of the security and safety at the peace talks? That would mean that Harry would also be responsible for keeping things smoothly and dealing with any problems arising.  That could also be why Molly paid for all the expenses of the fallout.  The people killed would not have been part of any agreements and therefore originally left out of any compensations.  But Harry would see that very differently.

I don't know about that, but I do know that in chapter 1 of Peace Talks,
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So even if Mab has no responsibility for the security and safety of the talks, Harry will feel responsible just the same.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is Sandra Marling?
« on: December 30, 2018, 09:05:57 AM »
An organizer of a convention would certainly wear the convention t-shirt two days in a row. On a normal convention day I would say she has as many of the same t-shirt as days of the Con. Given the events of the night before, at HER convention that she is responsible for, it would not surprise me at all for her to be in the same clothes because she never left the convention floor.

But not an identical shirt.  Sure, she might wear something that has the convention's name or logo on it, but it would probably be a different type of clothing or if another t-shirt at least a different color.

Re: Marling being exhausted and nervous, that doesn't necessarily mean she's weak.  It could simply be a matter of psychological exhaustion (which would fit with the nervousness.)  She could still be fully capable of physical feats, but still mentally a wreck.

Generally speaking, Jim doesn't waste his words, especially when he's describing characters other than Harry, or describing their actions.  We know who Harry is, Jim's descriptions of other characters gives us clues about who and what they are.  Your explanation might make sense if Sandra had mentioned how hard she's been working without Molly's help, or something along similar lines. 

I believe Sandra Marling; or whoever was pretending to be her, will eventually make a return.  It's then that Harry will remember Sandra Marling's appearance and her physical actions at Spatercon!!!, not just what she said.  So I'm making a mental bet that the reason for Sandra Marling's behavior is that in her haste to free Molly she let her disguise slip, rather than she was having great difficulty dividing her time between running the convention and keeping track of Molly.  Both may seem equally likely, but one makes more sense dramatically.           

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DF Spoilers / Re: Some thoughts on the vampire courts
« on: December 28, 2018, 08:10:44 AM »

I rather think it's politics; the Red and White Court are politically aligned, so it suits them to call each other cousins to emphasize the connection (even as they aren't nearly as friendly as they officially are). They also prey on humans, sure, but who doesn't? The Winter Court seems much closer to the White Court in their relation with humanity (i.e. a partly hostile parasitic presence that cannot procreate except with humans).

That is an interesting idea but I would have to see more connections between the two groups to believe you were on to something.  I wonder if the White Court has any myths about how they came into being.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is Sandra Marling?
« on: December 28, 2018, 07:54:16 AM »
Three interesting pieces of information from chapter 22 of Proven Guilty.

1: "Mister Dresden!" called a voice from across the crowded convention hallway. I looked up to see Sandra Marling hurrying through the crowd toward me. The convention's chairwoman looked exhausted and too nervous to be awake, much less standing, much less politely pushing her way through a crowd, but she did it anyway. She still wore the same black T-shirt with the red SplatterCon!!! logo on it, presumably the same I'd seen her in the night before.

2:The woman closed her eyes and shook her head, bringing herself under control, lowering her voice several pitches. "They're still... interrogating her, I think? Isn't that what they say? When they try to scare you and ask questions?"

3: I narrowed my eyes. "Yeah," I said. "Was she arrested?"
Sandra shook her head jerkily. "I don't think so. They didn't handcuff her or read from that little card or anything. Can they do that? Just drag her into a room?"


1: Sandra looks too weak and nervous to be standing, but she has the strength to push people out of her way, however polite she may be while doing so.  She appears to be wearing the same T-shirt she wore the night before.

2: Put yourself in Sandra's position.  You could guess the police are interrogating your friend as opposed to just interviewing her, but unless English is a second language for you, you know what interrogating someone means, you don't have to ask a rhetorical question about what it means.

3. "They didn't handcuff her" is a logical response to Harry's question, but "or read from that little card or anything" isn't.  It's a really weird way for Sandra to say she didn't think Molly had been arrested.  Even if we assume Sandra is from another country, there have been far too many American police dramas on both TV and movies, which have been shown around the world for Sandra not to say "or read Molly her rights."  (By itself, Law and Order became so ubiquitous it has been adapted to seperate TV series in the UK, France and Russia.)

By themselves, we might dismiss one or two of these behavioral oddities.  I think I have to revise my earlier opinion that Sandra is human.  In the first example I gave, it looks like Sandra may be having difficulty holding her disguise together; and wearing the same t-shirt two days in a row or an identical t-shirt two days in a row isn't something most people do.  But for someone pretending to human it's exactly the kind of mistake they might make.  I think I've already stated why items number 2 and 3 don't look like something an American might say or anyone even mildly familiar with American police dramas might say.

Taken all together, I think the above clues strongly suggest Sandra Marling is a supernatural being. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Christmas Eve from JB's Twitter (no news, just fun)
« on: December 27, 2018, 07:41:09 AM »
My takeaways
  • Molly's concern about Harry still being himself may just be due to the Knight mantle, but that's already been hashed a bit.  But Eb dying and Harry getting the Blackstaff would give him someone to grieve over, it'd give Molly a reason to be concerned about him still being him, and it'd certainly make others think twice when Harry started yelling in their faces.

I had the feeling that Molly realizes the Winter Lady's mantle is changing her too.  No one else besides Molly (and the other Queens of Fairie) knows the pressure the Winter Knight's mantel has placed on Harry, because Molly has felt a similar and perhaps a greater pressure from the Winter Lady's mantle.  With the possible exception of Sarissa, the other Queens of Faerie might have the knowledge of how the Knight's mantel can twist its human host, but they are far beyond being able to empathize with that person.  Apparently, Molly still can.   

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DF Spoilers / Re: Christmas Eve from JB's Twitter (no news, just fun)
« on: December 27, 2018, 02:02:38 AM »
Molly to Harry - "And you risked an awful lot getting in everyone’s face after the battle."

This makes me wonder about when Rashid told Harry it wasn't his time to stand against the Council, during Turn Coat.  Not that the above is when Harry does that, but it may be setting up that eventual confrontation.

I found it interesting that Mab experienced pain when Harry posed the possibility of not accepting the gift on Maggie's behalf.  And that she wanted Maggie to know who gave it to her.

I was a little surprised Harry didn't say "I will tell Maggie this came from you, Mab" and silently think "and I'll also warn Maggie about who and what you are."

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DF Spoilers / Re: Gard's Bullets
« on: December 26, 2018, 09:45:12 AM »
Manfred von Richthofen.  If anyone could find the bullet that killed him it would be Gard.  (I believe it was a through and through wound.)  George Armstrong Custer at Little Bighorn.  Major General Charles Gordon; sometimes called "Chinese Gordon," who was killed at the siege of Khartoum.  (Though no one knows exactly how he died, it's likely he was shot.)  Then again, why does it have to be a soldier?  Couldn't be someone killed in a gunfight like Billy Clanton at (actually near) the O.K. Corral or one of the Dalton gang members killed at Coffeyville?  How about Alexander Hamilton?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Christmas Eve from JB's Twitter (no news, just fun)
« on: December 25, 2018, 10:38:38 PM »
That was nice, and it's also a sign that his work on Peace Talks is going well.

Merry Christmas everyone!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Any news on Peace Talks
« on: December 25, 2018, 09:42:23 PM »

 Because Mr O'Hare wanted it that way, and JMS kept his promise, he only revealed it a couple of years after Mr O'Hare's death.   At the time the fans were in quite an uproar over him leaving the show, the story told to the public was that he wasn't a big enough star so was replaced.   We know now that Mr O'Hare was suffering from hallucinations at an increasing rate and severity, it is a miracle that he was able to finish the season at all.  Tragically like many suffering from his form of mental illness he went off his meds which of course made things worse.

Yes, JMS did talk about some of the stories not being part of the arc, but again some of that was a cover story because some episodes had to be changed because of Mr O'Hare's health.  That might be why they seem a bit weak compared to the rest of the season.   Yeah, you should watch it again, I did recently and it is amazing how well it holds up.

I remember the speculation that Bruce Boxleitner was brought in because he had been in a popular TV series before; Scarecrow and Mrs. King, and he would draw a larger audience to the show.  I remember thinking that Scarecrow and Mrs. King wasn't that big a hit, but the idea that corporate higher ups were interfering with Babylon 5 seemed very plausible at the time.

One sad irony of Michael O'Hare's condition is the character of Commander Sinclair was emotionally tortured by his past, due to almost hallucinatory and painful flashbacks he kept having to events he couldn't remember.  I was glad they brought O'Hare back in season three for those two-episodes about Babylon 4, because the way Sinclair's story arc was completed was really cool.

Dina, you really should watch this show if you can.  Also, anyone who is a fan of Benedict Jacka's Alex Verus series should watch it too because of the three elements Jacka has taken directly from B5.  There are characters named Morden and Drahk which come straight from B5, and he's even had Morden ask Alex, "What do you want?"  That question is an important one in Babylon 5, and I would bet dollars to doughnuts that sometime soon the question "Who are you?" will play an important part in Alex's life.  (Though the rest of the Alex Verus novels are unrelated to B5.)     

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DF Spoilers / Re: Any news on Peace Talks
« on: December 24, 2018, 05:02:26 AM »
No,  you are mistaken about B5..  The first season was never meant to stand alone. 

No, I think you misunderstood what I wrote.  I didn't say the first season of Babylon 5 was meant to stand alone.  I said some episodes; perhaps more specifically, the main story told within specific episodes, had little or nothing to do with Babylon 5's overarching story arc.  Even show creator J. Michael Straczynski used to talk about episodes as being arc and non-arc stories.  Below is a quote from JMS made during B5's first season about an episode that was accidentally shown out of its intended order during the season.

"Through a miscommunication, Warners thought TKO was in the slot in which we'd placed Quality [of Mercy], so that went out to TV Guide, and it's now too late to change the order back. Doesn't matter; neither are really arc-stories, though it was hoped to hold back some of Susan's development in TKO just a tad longer."
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/014.html

IMO, TKO was one of the weaker first season episodes.  At least the Alpha story about the human boxer who came to Babylon 5 to enter a martial arts contest no human had ever been allowed to participate in before.  (That idea sounds so much better than it actually was.)  The Beta story about Commander Ivanova denying the grief she felt after her father's death gave the character more depth, but also had little to do with B5's overall arc.

The episode Quality of Mercy had three distinct stories, none of which related to the overall story arc.  What was great about each of those stories is they all introduced elements that would be used in later, sometimes much later, episodes in the show.  There was the alien machine that could cure people of any illness by taking the life energy from another person, which Marcus used to save Ivanova's life in Season 4.  Lennier lied to protect Centauri Ambassador Londo's personal honor after Londo caused a fight in a bar when he was caught cheating at poker.  That became important because most people thought the Minbari never overtly lied.  In a later episode a Minbari lying to protect another person's personal honor was an important plot point.  Telepath Talia Winters had to mind scan a convicted murderer to confirm his guilt before the legal sentence of having his mind and personality wiped was carried out.  That came back in the episode; a really good one, about the priest who starting having terrible dreams about murdering women.

Now I bet if you rewatched those two episodes you could find a scene or even two, in each episode where some point was made, or piece of information was revealed that related to the overall story arc or hinted at an important upcoming story arc development, but none of the individual stories within each of the two episodes I mentioned were part of the main story arc of the Babylon 5.  (Damn, I've got to re-watch that series now.)

   

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DF Spoilers / Re: Any news on Peace Talks
« on: December 22, 2018, 07:59:25 AM »
I love all the Mirror episodes of the Trek series, but curiously I am not interested in the DF: MM book at all (other than because it would move the story towards the BAT). I just don't care for an alternate Harry. I just want to see more Harry (Harry prime  :D)

My guess is while the Mirror Mirror novel will most likely read as almost a stand alone story that is seemingly separate from the rest of the Dresden Files we know after Grave Peril; at or near the end of that novel Harry (prime) will learn several things he couldn't have learned in his own universe.   As you said, these bits of knowledge will help move the overall story arc towards the BAT. 

This is probably four years from when Mirror Mirror comes out (God, that is depressing.), but I hope it is a great stand alone story, because I would mostly be reading it just to find out what Harry prime is going to learn.  One TV show that Jim and many fans are familiar with is Babylon 5.  They used to have episodes; particularly in the first two seasons, that were clearly meant to stand alone from the overall story arc.  Some of those episodes were very good, some were really weak, particularly in the first season of the show.  However, even in some of the weaker episodes there would usually be some tidbit of information casually dropped into that episode that would become significant in the larger arc of the show.  Whenever it comes out, I hope Mirror Mirror is a real page turner, because I don't want MM to be like one of those second rate B5 episodes that are only important because of the odd scraps of information that gave us clues to what was coming next.

P.S.  Also, whatever Harry learns had better be worth the wait.

Methinks you forgot an operation.  It was chapter 36 on 12/7 and 38 on 12/17.  That's two chapters in ten days, averaging a chapter every five days.  If there's 14 to go, that's 70 days, rather than 140.  Maybe mid--to-late-March, assuming he takes some holiday time off from writing?

I don't remember where I heard or read this, but I remember Jim stating that he can average writing about 4,000 words a day when everything is running smoothly.  (Or was it 3,400 words a day? - Just ignore that and pretend it's 4,000.)  The last four novels had these many words in it: Changes: 149,280 words, Ghost Story: 162,899 words, Cold Days: 175,685 words and Skin Game: 151,922 words.  That averages to about 159,947 words. So Jim has finished 38 chapters, and I believe someone has said most of the later books have averaged 52 chapters.  Assuming most chapters average out to same length, that would mean Jim has written about 116,884 words so far. (159,947 words / 52 expected chapters x 38 written ones)  This leaves just over 43,000 words left for Jim to write.  (159,947 - 116,884 = 43,063)

In theory, at 4,000 words a day Jim could be done in less than two weeks, but I doubt that will be the case.  (Of course, we have to add at least a week for Christmas and New Years.)  As Jim approaches the final chapters, I think it's to be expected that it takes longer for him to work out all the details, so the climax of the story isn't just exciting, it also makes sense and fits neatly with what has come before it.  So my guess is if Jim is on a roll now, maybe he will finish in about 4 to 6 weeks.  I hope those updates on his website keep coming.  It's nice to have something to keep track of.

(I know Jim needs to take a break from Harry when he finishes a DF novel, but I really wish he could just take three months off, maybe travel to Australia and New Zealand (or wherever).  It's Summer there now.  Shelve the next Cinder Spires novel for a while.  Then come home and jump into Mirror Mirror.  IMO the Aeronaut's Windlass was OK.  It had some fun parts and there was at least one character that I think might become really interesting down the road, but I can't say I'm dying to read what happens next.)       

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is Sandra Marling?
« on: December 21, 2018, 08:41:50 PM »
If Sandra Marling is someone's thrall, she would be what Bob called a fine thrall.  Someone who doesn't realize they are being controlled by another being.  Sandra Marlings actions are too complex to be an ordinary thrall like we saw in Blood Rites.  So she might be in thrall to the Fomor, in thrall to someone in the White Court; like the lawyer in White Night, or to one of the Fae or possibly other supernatural entities, but not Mavra of the Black Court.  (According to Bob, Mavra most likely can't create fine thralls as she lacks any shred of humanity or empathy.  Of course Bob has been known to be wrong at times.) 

However, when Sandra sought out Harry, because the police were questioning Molly, this demonstrated that she was either acting on her own initiative; and therefore not a thrall, but an independent agent, or whoever was controlling Sandra was on hand at the convention to monitor events and change Sandra's instructions on the fly, when needed.

If she is an independent agent, Sandra Marling could be a disguise, just as Harry disguised Thomas in Small Favor, just a much better one than Harry could do.  Remember that Sandra organized Spattercon for over a year.  I just can't see any major supernatural being doing this, they'd get some mortal to do it for them, and perhaps we're back to Sandra Marling being a fine thrall.  However, a wizard who is mortal is only changing their name and perhaps their appearance from time time.  That is not so difficult to imagine.  So this doesn't rule out Kumori being Sandra.  Then again, I can't rule out a fomor servitor, either.  Another possibility is someone could have recently murdered the real Sandra Marling and taken her place, but that also seems unlikely for a supernatural player because they would have had to pretended to be Sandra for most of two or three days and know exactly how to run the convention, just for those moments when pretending to be Sandra might allow this being be able to tilt events one way or another.  It's possible, but it seems a stretch to me.     

In the notes to the Dresden Files RPG; which are semi-cannon, after the events in Proven Guilty, Harry has Billy look into Sandra Marling and she just disappears after the convention and there is no history of her before she is the convention's organizer.  This suggests Sandra Marling was not a thrall.  The only problem I have with her being Kumori is the time frame needed to organize Spattercon.  Kumori was working with Cowl a year before Spattercon.  Not only would Kumori have had to do some fast changing of jobs, she would have gone from being Cowl's apprentice or assistant, to directly working with the Black Council (or whatever you want to call the other side).  And she would have not have performed any necromancy for about a year because she didn't set off Mouse's black magic detecting ability.

I'm leaning to Sandra Marling being a either a Fomor servitor or some other Black Court (or Circle) agent or ally we haven't met yet.   

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DF Spoilers / Re: Re-interpreting the events of Small Favor
« on: December 16, 2018, 06:33:21 AM »
Titania wanted Harry dead  But that debt lay at Mab's feet since Harry was acting for Winter.  Snatching Marcone was meant to get Mab to do just what she did.  Enlist a mortal champion.  Being how she was in the middle of a torture session with the current Knight.  Who you gonna call?  Harry is where he always is, the last to know.

Yes, but I thought that happened after the Gruff's first attempt to kill Harry.  You see the problem.  Titania went after Harry before the domino's you describe, started to fall.  Even if Titania knew Marcone was going to be kidnapped and reasoned that Mab would enlist Harry as her emissary; that is not countering Winter, that's being proactive.  There's something else going on here.   

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