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Title: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: groinkick on May 21, 2018, 06:58:01 PM
Subject speaks for itself.  I'd like to see Thomas get one from the death of his father.  Something like the eldest son receives Raith's protective shield or something like that.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Quantus on May 21, 2018, 07:07:24 PM
Subject speaks for itself.  I'd like to see Thomas get one from the death of his father.  Something like the eldest son receives Raith's protective shield or something like that.
I had Thomas down for Ammorachius as his big Upgrade, though something inherited from Pap Wraith would be cool, or more likely something Outsidery that Pops was desperate to keep from being Passed Along to the next Heir (male heir, since he was as much a misogynist as all the "old fashioned" monsters).

More signs of advanced Shapeshifting from the Alphas. 

Id be interested to see Marcone get something more than Chutzpah.  Same for Murphy, though for both they do anchor the setting as what "vanilla" can do.

I want to see a post-GS Mort, and all the power-up I fully expect him to have accomplished once he decided to start actually Fighting. 

Carlos.  Poor guy deserves an upgrade.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Fcrate on May 21, 2018, 08:37:06 PM
Father Forthill. Maybe he'll become El papa.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Quantus on May 21, 2018, 08:43:14 PM
Father Forthill. Maybe he'll become El papa.
Maybe we'll get an actual in-world definition of "Saint".
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: wardenferry419 on May 21, 2018, 10:09:25 PM
Maybe Toot-toot advancing to full size Fae.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Fcrate on May 21, 2018, 10:24:53 PM
Maybe we'll get an actual in-world definition of "Saint".
If that's the case, I hope it's nothing like the Greatcoats saints. Bleh.
Maybe Toot-toot advancing to full size Fae.
Noooooooooooo. That'll ruin the whole series. No. No. NO.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: raidem on May 21, 2018, 11:14:30 PM
Murphy becoming something like mab.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 21, 2018, 11:15:49 PM
I want Bob to get a power up.  Or maybe a hall-pass up.  Let him have a backup sanctum so his skull can be put onto a skeleton, and let him have some mobility a la Evil Bob doing his Red Skull impersonation in GS.

That way the two can go mano-e-mano the next time they meet up.
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36400000/Ghost-rider-club-image-ghost-rider-club-36470558-632-960.jpg)
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: DroppaMaPantz on May 22, 2018, 01:55:26 AM
I want Bob to get a power up.  Or maybe a hall-pass up.  Let him have a backup sanctum so his skull can be put onto a skeleton, and let him have some mobility a la Evil Bob doing his Red Skull impersonation in GS.

That way the two can go mano-e-mano the next time they meet up.

Bob already got a power up. A major one. Butters gave him the internet, Knowledge is power. Bob should be a heavy hitter now.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 22, 2018, 02:49:00 AM
Bob already got a power up. A major one. Butters gave him the internet, Knowledge is power. Bob should be a heavy hitter now.
But he can't *use* it.  We saw Bob possess a statue in Skin Game and rampage through the enemy.  He similarly possessed Sue in DB.  His darker half cast spells and operated on his own.  But unless he's helping Butters, who got his own power up, Bob's limited in what he's free to do.

Bob is capable of a lot, and I want to see him in action.  I had plans for that eventually in my fanfics, but I don't know that I'll ever finish those. 

I want to see him in a metal (not iron) skull that's attached to a metal (not iron) body, where he can take the field with Team Dresden.  Give a skull charm to Harry and/or Butters that's linked to the skull, so he stays in their "possession". 
(https://whyweprotest.net/attachments/skull-celtic-gun-metal-quar-gif.43993/)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/metal-skeleton-d-rendered-illustration-30722051.jpg)

Then he can wrap it all up in ectoplasmic flesh modeled after something he's familiar with.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQN-zJ3s17aXkYcH1G98N6ZkSknvU6hg7GAttDzpEb9HSR3XtKu)
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: peregrine on May 22, 2018, 05:11:16 AM
Maybe Toot-toot advancing to full size Fae.
I have this image in my mind (have had for a while ) of Harry summoning Toot and expecting to see him come zipping in, and instead we see a full size man (or maybe teen) come walking down the alley instead, with a bit more maturity and dignity than he had as the tiny critter he was.

As for Thomas, while he might get something from Raith, somehow, I don't expect it to be something Raith chooses to leave to him.  Not like Raith is actually planning on having a successor, since he plans on living forever.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: pcpoet on May 22, 2018, 06:20:09 AM
I wana see mister get a power up or at least a mouse not harry dresdens dog
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: forumghost on May 22, 2018, 08:49:53 AM
I want the Alpha's to learn how to take the form of the Loup.

Because having a couple of those with a fully-functioning human mind behind them would be awesome. And terrifying. Awesifying.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Quantus on May 22, 2018, 11:45:22 AM
I want the Alpha's to learn how to take the form of the Loup.

Because having a couple of those with a fully-functioning human mind behind them would be awesome. And terrifying. Awesifying.
I want them to get a happier ending than becoming the hosts of that Curse...
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: forumghost on May 22, 2018, 01:37:39 PM
I want them to get a happier ending than becoming the hosts of that Curse...

Not hosts of the curse, just using shapeshifting to reverse-engineer the form as a controlled state (Basically what they can do now, except they're Giant Super-Wolfs that are near-immune to magic and can shrug off being thrown through a skyscraper).
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Quantus on May 22, 2018, 02:11:24 PM
Not hosts of the curse, just using shapeshifting to reverse-engineer the form as a controlled state (Basically what they can do now, except they're Giant Super-Wolfs that are near-immune to magic and can shrug off being thrown through a skyscraper).
While they could certainly get to the more anthropomorphic wolf-man style or even increased durability via spell-healing, I dont see how their shapeshifting spell could be altered to give them the Louper's Magic Immunity.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Kindler on May 22, 2018, 02:19:11 PM
I want the Alpha's to learn how to take the form of the Loup.

Because having a couple of those with a fully-functioning human mind behind them would be awesome. And terrifying. Awesifying.

I think Fight Night would be a good time to bring back Tera West. I doubt there's much room for her in Peace Talks or Mirror, Mirror (though maybe she came back in the Mirrorverse to protect the Alphas). Anywho, it'd be cool to see the relationship change from Fool Moon to current Will/Georgia. With all their maturity, and experimentation (as seen in Aftermath), I could see Tera West teaching the remaining Alphas some new techniques, possibly becoming something as impressive as a Loup Garou—though not specifically Loupy, because, as I understand it, there are certain circumstances that must be fulfilled to make one.

Side note, I've thought about Tera West and the Alphas freeing the Fenris Wolf mantle from Gleipnir to assume it themselves, and kicking off modern-day Ragnarok. In this instance, the mantle is actually Fenrir, Garm, and Hati Hroovitnisson (all the named wolves/wargs in Norse mythology, which some insist are all just aspects of Fenrir), and the Alphas assume them all, forming a Norse Mythology Pack. T'would be cool, if only because I haven't seen anyone do much with Fenrir in recent years, except those Everworld children's (young adult? They're a bit too short for that, so mid-grade, probably) books, and a rather awesomely awful apocalypse novel titled A.D. 999, which was very concerned with being taken seriously. (As a further tangent, I don't think the author of that book ever wrote anything again, but I remember having fun reading it once I turned my brain off. The book blended Revelations and Ragnarok, literally interpreting the Signs of the Apocalypse, and even brought back King Arthur and the Lost Tribes of Israel for the penultimate battle. Copies are hard to come by, as far as I can recall, but if you can find it at your library, it's worth a read if you like end-times fiction and Dark Ages Europe.)

*snip*

I could get behind that. Robo-Bob. RoBob? Sure. It would certainly set the stage for hilarity (Bob's ecto-flesh reverting to goo from being trapped in a circle temporarily, leaving him as an orange glowing skeleton running around Chicago, for example). I doubt Jim would want this to happen, as Bob can be totally gamebreaking if he gave him too much freedom.

To the OP question: Carlos or Elaine. Carlos because he gets injured in every book (usually pretty badly), and I want to see him bring the pain without taking knives to the gut and the knee for his trouble. Plus I like his disintegration shield, and applied appropriately, I could see that being... messy.

Elaine because I sympathize with her character quite a bit. Both times we've seen her, she's suffered enormously. Yes, I count Summer Knight and her "betrayal" arc, because she was in a nearly impossible situation and did what she could to make things right. She's been on the road to redemption for a while, and I'd like to see her unload on some bad guys from a position of real power.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: dspringer1 on May 22, 2018, 05:35:19 PM
If the question is What Character do I expect to power up, the answer is Toot Toot.  He is clearly climbing the power ladder.   Thomas is also supposed to be a lot stronger now, primarily because he has been fighting his hunger so much.   That strength has not really shown, but expect it to do so in Peace Talks when Papa Raithe escapes control and goes on a rampage (which could be wishful thinking...)

Like to power up is a tougher question. Most people really do not "power up" without becoming supernatural in some respect, unless you gain power through organizations or politics or money.     
1) I would like Andy to be  knight.   That would be cool with Butters and Andi both being knights.   She is also an underutilized character, although realistically a wolf shifter would make a poor fit for a knight simply because you cannot hold a sword while in wolf form.  Using one power kinda negates the other.

2) Bill and Georgia are also good characters for a power update, but I suspect the power update would be organizational as they gain power in the paranet org.  I would put Murphy in this camp as well.  They have all basically laid the groundwork for this while Harry was dead or on the island.   Murphy's convalescence might even accelerate her growth in administration :)

3) It would be nice if Charity learned to use her magic. I do not believe she will be powerful any more, but even modest powers would be a good thing for her (psychologically). 
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 22, 2018, 06:43:49 PM
I could get behind that. Robo-Bob. RoBob? Sure. It would certainly set the stage for hilarity (Bob's ecto-flesh reverting to goo from being trapped in a circle temporarily, leaving him as an orange glowing skeleton running around Chicago, for example). I doubt Jim would want this to happen, as Bob can be totally gamebreaking if he gave him too much freedom.
Only robo-Bob if he got a battery-powered WiFi hotspot to keep in the skull so he could be watching porn in his head while also battling the enemy.  8)
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Fcrate on May 22, 2018, 09:06:29 PM
With his moral predilections, I'd say he'll be more likely to battle Harry.
Watch that friendly fire!
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Quantus on May 22, 2018, 09:22:09 PM
Only robo-Bob if he got a battery-powered WiFi hotspot to keep in the skull so he could be watching porn in his head while also battling the enemy.  8)
So, only if Bob gets a cellphone?
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 22, 2018, 10:13:55 PM
With his moral predilections, I'd say he'll be more likely to battle Harry.
Watch that friendly fire!
Nah, he'd still be linked to the charm to keep him in check.

So, only if Bob gets a cellphone?
He only needs a hotspot.  He shouldn't need a screen.  Although it seemed implied in GS that he had internet in his skull, which *could* imply he's already picked up on how to use the signal without tech.   He was able to use the radio in GP, so... Maybe not even that?
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Fcrate on May 22, 2018, 10:43:27 PM
He wasn't exactly using the radio, he was sending messages to a radio attuned to the frequency of the spirit world. Harry used the same method of communication in GS.
And yes, it was my impression that Butters gave him access to the internet, without use of a pc. Maybe he stuck the cable in his nostrils.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Dina on May 23, 2018, 02:48:59 AM
Harry. Yes, I know, but I enjoy every boot.

Mister, something that allows him to live more.

Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Quantus on May 23, 2018, 12:02:22 PM
Nah, he'd still be linked to the charm to keep him in check.
He only needs a hotspot.  He shouldn't need a screen.  Although it seemed implied in GS that he had internet in his skull, which *could* imply he's already picked up on how to use the signal without tech.   He was able to use the radio in GP, so... Maybe not even that?
Bob should always have been perfectly capable of interacting with Technology, just like the fae it's not a problem with their magic; it's only Mortals that have Murphionic Issues.  It would only have been proximity to Harry that actually caused any interference.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 23, 2018, 12:54:45 PM
Bob should always have been perfectly capable of interacting with Technology, just like the fae it's not a problem with their magic; it's only Mortals that have Murphionic Issues.  It would only have been proximity to Harry that actually caused any interference.
Technology yes.  But it might also have been that Bob didn't really understand wireless transmission until he was exposed to it.  He could possibly work off of cell tower signals now without any tech, now that he knows what wavelengths to utilize and what encryptions and codings to mimic.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Kindler on May 23, 2018, 01:16:56 PM
Technology yes.  But it might also have been that Bob didn't really understand wireless transmission until he was exposed to it.  He could possibly work off of cell tower signals now without any tech, now that he knows what wavelengths to utilize and what encryptions and codings to mimic.
With the sites he undoubtedly visits constantly, I could see Bob getting infected from web Trojans.

Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 23, 2018, 01:43:55 PM
With the sites he undoubtedly visits constantly, I could see Bob getting infected from web Trojans.
Well, that's the question, isn't it?  What we saw in GS implied he had internet in his skull.  I'm assuming he didn't have a cable and NIC and hosted OS in his skull to get it working, so the implication is that he can use Wifi.  And he had a TV, if I recall.

But in CD, he's watching porn on the computer.  Which he wouldn't have to do if he had WiFi, and could resolve all of the formatting required to view video in his skull.

So, what's he capable of?  And was his use of the computer in CD intentional, because he doesn't have the supernatural equivalent of antivirus to keep him safe from infection?  Or was he using it because he wanted it to be on Butters' browser history?
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Kindler on May 23, 2018, 01:57:37 PM
So, what's he capable of?  And was his use of the computer in CD intentional, because he doesn't have the supernatural equivalent of antivirus to keep him safe from infection?  Or was he using it because he wanted it to be on Butters' browser history?

My simple explanation is that Jim wanted it to be funnier. Personally, I think he can use Wi-Fi with little issue. My understanding of Bob's nature is that he can interact with a much broader section of the electromagnetic spectrum, and has some sort of supernatural equivalent of a browser, just not the way we think of it.

It's possible that, for Bob, using the internet through his skull would be annoyingly slow, with relative time on the inside of it. 100 mb/s is 100 mb/s, no matter how quickly you can process information; I feel like it'd be worse than dealing with dial-up for him, if seconds stretch to relative minutes when he's hanging out inside his skull.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: wardenferry419 on May 23, 2018, 11:24:38 PM
But he can't *use* it.  We saw Bob possess a statue in Skin Game and rampage through the enemy.  He similarly possessed Sue in DB.  His darker half cast spells and operated on his own.  But unless he's helping Butters, who got his own power up, Bob's limited in what he's free to do.

Bob is capable of a lot, and I want to see him in action.  I had plans for that eventually in my fanfics, but I don't know that I'll ever finish those. 

I want to see him in a metal (not iron) skull that's attached to a metal (not iron) body, where he can take the field with Team Dresden.  Give a skull charm to Harry and/or Butters that's linked to the skull, so he stays in their "possession". 
(https://whyweprotest.net/attachments/skull-celtic-gun-metal-quar-gif.43993/)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/metal-skeleton-d-rendered-illustration-30722051.jpg)

Then he can wrap it all up in ectoplasmic flesh modeled after something he's familiar with.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQN-zJ3s17aXkYcH1G98N6ZkSknvU6hg7GAttDzpEb9HSR3XtKu)
Griffyn, do you need to talk about your "special" feelings concerning Bob. Remember, we are here for you. LOL
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 24, 2018, 01:26:42 AM
Griffyn, do you need to talk about your "special" feelings concerning Bob. Remember, we are here for you. LOL
No, I'm good.  I'll just finish my stories.   ;D

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/a9/03/c9a9030b5f499165e6716adb3b5f1507.gif)
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Fcrate on May 24, 2018, 01:46:45 AM
No, I'm good.  I'll just finish my stories.   ;D
Ehm. I love your sig. iPerv. lol
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 24, 2018, 01:52:14 AM
Ehm. I love your sig. iPerv. lol
Thanks.  It's an oldie but goodie.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: wardenferry419 on May 26, 2018, 12:16:19 AM
Wow, was that a real book about women falling in love with Fabio-like ghosts?
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Griffyn612 on May 26, 2018, 01:01:44 AM
Wow, was that a real book about women falling in love with Fabio-like ghosts?
Of course it was.  You didn't think a thing didn't exist, did you? 
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: forumghost on May 26, 2018, 01:13:13 AM
Of course it was.  You didn't think a thing didn't exist, did you? 

Perhaps he knew and suppressed it. Such knowledge can be haunting after all.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Jack of Hearts on May 26, 2018, 01:55:17 AM
I doubt it would happen but I wouldn't mind seeing the Alphas become actual wizards.... They are cool and and I like them the way they are but they are essentially one trick ponies.... It would be nice to see them use some other spells and be more like Harry magic wise. I think most people forget that their power is supposedly magic based and only think of them as werewolves.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: LordDresden2 on May 26, 2018, 05:23:28 AM
If the question is 'want to see', I wouldn't mind seeing Billy gain a bit more magical power (not Council level or even close, but more firepower than just the shapeshift).

OTOH, the character who most needs something from a meta-POV is Murphy.  JB has said it won't happen, but absent it the story is beginning to leave Karrin behind, I can't see how something isn't going to have to give.

OTOH, I'm not all that eager to see it happen, because Karrin plays the role of the badass normal.  But the problem is on the edge of becoming acute.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: forumghost on May 26, 2018, 06:07:00 AM
If the question is 'want to see', I wouldn't mind seeing Billy gain a bit more magical power (not Council level or even close, but more firepower than just the shapeshift).

OTOH, the character who most needs something from a meta-POV is Murphy.  JB has said it won't happen, but absent it the story is beginning to leave Karrin behind, I can't see how something isn't going to have to give.

OTOH, I'm not all that eager to see it happen, because Karrin plays the role of the badass normal.  But the problem is on the edge of becoming acute.

Murphy has always been a-cute. It's quite common in small things.
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: Quantus on May 29, 2018, 12:42:30 PM
If the question is 'want to see', I wouldn't mind seeing Billy gain a bit more magical power (not Council level or even close, but more firepower than just the shapeshift).

OTOH, the character who most needs something from a meta-POV is Murphy.  JB has said it won't happen, but absent it the story is beginning to leave Karrin behind, I can't see how something isn't going to have to give.

OTOH, I'm not all that eager to see it happen, because Karrin plays the role of the badass normal.  But the problem is on the edge of becoming acute.
I suspect Murphy got her Upgrade in Skin Game: We saw that she now has the contacts to get weapons of questionable legality, and the cash money to do so.  Next time it will not just be a fancy sword-case...
Title: Re: What character would you like to see get a power up?
Post by: WereElephant on May 29, 2018, 01:43:20 PM
Fix. His counterpart just got access to several Relics of Mass Destruction (kinda sorta). The scales are unbalanced.

Cowl. Because ringwraiths are cool.

Lara Raith. I'm betting getting nastily shagged (haha, see what I did there?) shook her. Predator that she is, she'll want more power so that never happens again.