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DF Spoilers / Re: The one character that you wish hadn't died
« on: December 14, 2017, 03:17:25 PM »
She has ... the Fomor servitor .... I forgot his name.

His name is / was Listen.

Could be an interesting plot for Molly to cross paths with him again (say, in Peace Talks), now having the power to destroy him, but being forbidden by Mab to take the first shot.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Book 17 Mirror Mirror? Rumor thread
« on: December 09, 2017, 03:53:53 AM »
I'm still stuck on Molly being a Warlock.  Without Harry, I don't know who else would have figured out she'd come into her powers.
I doubt Morgan would have taken her on as an apprentice / Jr Warden given his hatred for all things warlocky.

The Warden / Morgan's apprentice theory would assume she didn't commit the initial mental invasion of Rosie and Nelson in the mirror timeline.

Her whole track of experimenting on her own once she realized she had power was heavily influenced by idolizing Harry and not wanting him to see her fumbling around as an amateur. If she instead grew up hating him for causing Michael's death, she probably would have taken discovering her power as a Sign From God that she was meant to avenge her father. Best way to do that is to seek out the Council for training.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book11 Shaggy snacks
« on: December 09, 2017, 03:43:00 AM »
I do not think he has all the ingredients.  When Harry explains to Butters why the Darkhallow happened in Chicago specifically, he comes up with a whole bunch of necessary components, including the ancient Native American zombies summoned from the exhibition in the Field Museum (not easy to replicate), the old ghosts following the Erlking, and the way the boundary between Earth and the NN has been torn up in the Chicago area.  (Which is done in GP, either directly by Mavra or by Bianca under Mavra's tuition - iirc the black barbed-wire magic is never pinned down specifically to one or other of them, but either way it is a thing Mavra is doing as set-up that far back.  I suspect that is also why the Stone Table manifests in Chicago in SK.)

One more piece of evidence that the object of the exercise is not to actually complete the Darkhallow at all, IMO.  Just use the prospect of completing it to lure a bunch of people into doing things that serve Cowl and Mavra's greater ends.


If they are teamed up though, Mavra could easily have duplicated torturing some ghosts somewhere else to stir up the veil. Collecting enough ancient hunter artifacts / remains would be time-consuming, but either of them is more than capable of raiding a couple lesser museums and combining their hauls.

It certainly seems like Cowl or team Cowl + Mavra aren't too interested in actually completing a Darkhallow. Yet Cowl sure seemed right ready to go through with it once Grevane and Corpsetaker were dead...

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DF Spoilers / Re: EB McCoy after the BAT
« on: December 08, 2017, 01:55:33 AM »
He did not foresee that but neither did Ebenezar.

Yeah, once Ebenezar had seen the evidence on Peabody, responsibility for how to play it kind of is on the SC member rather than Harry.

Politically, they couldn't really have the Merlin just go "hey, trial on Morgan is cancelled" anyway. The spectators from LaFortier's bloc had to be convinced that Peabody was responsible because of how much suspicion was going around that Langtry would subvert the process to rescue his favourite attack dog. It wasn't just Harry that failed to anticipate the "bureaucromancer" posing a physical threat - Ebenezar and Carlos also missed that.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book11 Shaggy snacks
« on: December 07, 2017, 11:32:32 PM »
I think that only makes sense if the whole thing is a ruse; Cowl and Mavra had the Erlking book all along, they release it into the wild and get the word spread, and hooray, the White Council and the other Kemmlerites start wiping each other out over it.

If Cowl and Mavra were working together all along, how come Cowl hasn't just completed the Darkhallow somewhere other than Chicago by now? He's got all the pieces required.

Come to think of it, that's really a glaring question even if he isn't working with Mavra. He probably knows the Erlking summoning anyway from whatever copies he and Kumori tracked down prior to DB, and he had Bob long enough to get the Darkhallow instructions from him.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unbalanced scales . . .
« on: December 07, 2017, 02:47:47 PM »
Even if the nearest blood relation is so far that mortal inheritance law has lost track of them, there has to be someone. A 12'th cousin twice removed, or something.

Given the importance of favours to the Fae, I would expect they (all of them, not just the Queens) have a limited form of intellectus covering who they owe favours to. Sort of like how they just know the laws of their court instinctually.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book11 Shaggy snacks
« on: December 06, 2017, 08:13:36 PM »
Cowl.
Cowl is Peabody's handler, like it was Madrigal's handler.

So why was he interested in collecting copies of Die Lied der Erlking if he was in the same 'cell' of the Circle as Peabody and actively running him as an agent? Why not just ask him?

Just trying to deny the book to the other Heirs of Kemmler doesn't necessarily make sense, because his strategy was that it doesn't have to be him that summons the Hunt; he just wanted to highjack the ritual at the end.


As for whether the skinwalker Morgan lured into the atomic test was Shaggy, I have to agree that the fact it treated Morgan as essentially just a job to do rather than a personal vendetta suggests otherwise.

Six of them being locked up in the Well certainly weighs in favour of interpreting skinwalkers as among the beings who can reform after physical destruction, but it's possible previous Wardens who tangled with them simply found it easier to imprison them than put together sufficient energy to overwhelm their defenses by brute force. If the latter possibility is correct, that might actually be the difference between the "minimum security" central area and the peripheral tunnels.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Book 17 Mirror Mirror? Rumor thread
« on: December 06, 2017, 06:46:35 PM »
I am going with whatever causes Harry the most pain. To me that is either Warden Molly who is firmly set against Harry (actively hates maybe) or Warlock Molly who is allied with Mirror Harry, but is evil and twisted.

Hate-filled Warden Molly could easily come to pass if Michael didn't make it out of GP or DM because of something -Harry did did differently. If she grew up on Charity blaming -Harry for her beloved father's death, coming into her power later could look like a fate-given chance to bring -Harry to justice.

If Morgan doesn't bite it in the alternate timeline, Molly as his fanatical apprentice on the hunt for -Harry would make for a really entertaining pair of antagonists.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Book 19 rumor thread
« on: December 03, 2017, 05:15:23 PM »
The thought of Erlking laughing while watching Sue go on a rampage is amusing to consider.

I would actually be really interested in his POV on the events of Dead Beat. I'm curious whether his change of heart on Harry comes from him realizing on his own that Harry confined him to prevent the Hunt from being eaten vs "to protect mortals" - which was an incredibly dumb way for Harry to explain it - or from Mab having a word with him.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is the most evil character in the Dresdenverse?
« on: December 03, 2017, 05:08:14 PM »
I'd say that the most evil is someone who inflicts pain, and suffering purely for the enjoyment of watching someone else suffer, and has the free will to not do those things.  So Shagnasty is probably the most evil that I can think of in the story (beside Outsiders who appear to have no free will in they are 100% pure evil, and cannot be altered).  Free will is the snag for me.  Can it resist those impulses or is he like a rabid animal that is out of control?

I'm not really sure where the skinwalkers fall on the free will question. They disobeyed the beings they were supposed to be messengers for in choosing to stay on earth, but after that they seem to have pretty much lost the capacity for being anything but sadistic monsters. There haven't been any examples like in the White Court where Thomas chooses to fight his nature and Lara actively embraces evil because it's expedient and 'who has the time for being good?'. And it seems like Goodman Grey has to take active measures ('paying the Rent') to retain control of his actions rather than be swamped by his father's nature.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is the most evil character in the Dresdenverse?
« on: November 30, 2017, 03:08:43 AM »
Personally, I like the Granny Weatherwax definition of evil - treating other people as things. All the rest of evil flows from that.

Nicodemus is probably the worst of the appeared-on-page human characters. Shagnasty is more sadistic than indifferent, but he has less of a choice about it than a free-willed human.

Kemmler was probably just as bad as Nicodemus back in his day, too. Possibly even worse, but the brief glimpse in Fistful of Warlocks isn't enough to be sure.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Book 19 rumor thread
« on: November 28, 2017, 02:14:56 PM »
I thought it was going to be 18 is Fight Night, 19 is the Dragon one, and 20 is the return of Nicodemus.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas after the BAT
« on: November 26, 2017, 04:39:57 PM »
I've heard the idea of him becoming a Knight of the Cross, and I'm iffy on it. It'd be cool enough if it happened, but I think that you need to be human, and Thomas isn't.

Mab said Thomas being in (true) love made him "mortal enough" to work as a Winter Knight, so I don't think species is that much of a restriction.

I don't think he's the personality type for it, though. Look at the number of times he's suggested Harry go take a vacation away from Chicago rather than confront some dangerous situation. He's more than willing to face danger to protect the people he cares about, but he's not as inclined to get involved when it's about strangers.

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DF Spoilers / Re: the end trilogy of the books - who will it be ?
« on: November 26, 2017, 03:14:08 PM »
But S&S seems to reference... stars and planets.  Or asteroids crashing down.  Or fire and brimstone falling from the sky after volcanic eruptions.  Or something else. 

Some sort of astronomical conjunction?

Gah, we don't need another one to wonder about before we even have what Starborn actually is settled.

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DF Spoilers / Re: the end trilogy of the books - who will it be ?
« on: November 26, 2017, 03:34:07 AM »
As far as I see it, the Fomor are probably pawns for the Outsiders. Their uprising was prepared to take advantage of what was supposed to be Arianna's plot to destroy the Council and overthrow her father, which means they're tied into the Circle with her. From the scale of the move they redirected to seizing Red assets when the latter fell, they seem to be mobilized on a full national scale to the Circle's plots, rather than just some of their members secretly working for the Circle as seen with Council and Vampire turncoats.

Pretty much the only solid information we have about their political structure is that their nobility are beholden to an Empress, but in some cases willing to disobey her sound long-term strategic instructions for sufficiently satisfying short-term gain. They're described as banded-together remnants of the dark sides of various fallen pantheons (including some close cousins of the Jotuns) united by their common interest in revenge. Given that Nemesis appears in mythology as the goddess of retribution, I've speculated before that their Empress might be a Nemesis host and the Fomor knowingly following the Outsiders in exchange for payback against the powers that drove them to the margins and for the promise of a place in the new order. Alternately, it's possible that their underwater court was close enough to the Sleeper that they fell under his mental influence.

Incidentally, the Black Court remnants have a similar motive to want revenge on the standing powers who screwed them over as the Fomor do, even if day-to-day they're mostly too busy surviving to act on such desires. I wouldn't be surprised if Fomor recruiting overtures towards making some Blampire allies become a factor before the end.

But in general terms, I think the BAT will be a collision of the apocalyptic agendas of at least Hell and the Old Ones with their various followers, with Ragnarok and a Blampire resurgence as possible components of the overall chaos.

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