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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirrors
« on: April 23, 2018, 01:36:21 PM »
Quote from: Fcrate on April 22, 2018, 04:33:14 PM
I can. Lucky for him and us, he had other options. I believe that the evil scale is: Winter Knight<DarkHallow<Coin. And Harry's preference: Winter Knight>Coin>DarkHallow.

The Darkhallow is probably more evil than the coin. The way the Fallen work is the first taste of power is free, to get you dependent on them.

You can always choose to drop the coin once you've got what you need from the Fallen, before you have to do anything monstrous to pay them back for what they've given you. The issue for a wizard is that means losing your power and going into retirement, but at least it's you paying the price rather than a bunch of dead innocents you had to drain.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Government involvement *spoiler*
« on: April 22, 2018, 03:29:49 PM »
Quote from: TheJrade on April 22, 2018, 02:20:49 PM
I might be speaking blasphemy here, but I really didn't like Dog Men.
I didn't like that suddenly Harry has a fiery temper, the story was meant to take place long before he received the Mantle of the Winter Knight but yet here he was getting furiously angry at the drop of a hat.

Lash did kind of amp up his anger, but in the novels he was supposed to have got a handle on that once he realized he was being influenced.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirrors
« on: April 22, 2018, 03:04:53 PM »
Quote from: Fcrate on April 22, 2018, 02:28:55 AM
I'd still root for him; there's something captivating about someone who's dedicated enough to kill thousands to protect even more. Peace loving ideas aside, historically speaking, to get anything done you have to spill blood, and much of it (even innocent's blood)

If Harry had gone with the Darkhallow, it wouldn't have been about sacrificing thousands to wipe out the Reds and save hundreds of thousands more from becoming their victims. Several Halloweens have gone by from Dead Beat to Changes to make that kind of a calculated choice if he was going to. Reaching there for power in Changes would have been killing thousands because his daughter matters more to him than all the other victims he would have had to kill to save that one life.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks character death wag
« on: April 21, 2018, 08:26:27 PM »
Quote from: groinkick on April 21, 2018, 07:32:40 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Mac was a big part of the BAT.

Mac reconsidering being "out" when shit actually hits the fan:
https://i.imgur.com/nD2LWjO.gif

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirrors
« on: April 21, 2018, 07:29:16 PM »
Quote from: Kindler on April 20, 2018, 04:39:39 PM
Battling Lasciel for control as she tries to get word to Nick...
I'd read it.

Hard to say how that might have gone down. Given Lasciel's standing as a rebel among the rebel angels, she might have been perfectly happy to see her host nab the treasures out from under Nic's nose. Not for any altruistic reasons or to protect the world from him abusing them, but so she'd be the one calling the shots over how they got used instead of Anduriel and Nic.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks character death wag
« on: April 21, 2018, 07:24:39 PM »
Wasn't there a WOJ about Mac that the audience wouldn't find out who / what he really is until around the BAT?

Now, granted, we aren't trusting WOJ's 100% anymore, but that seems like an odd point to throw misinformation about.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Will Mab have another person on a cross?
« on: April 20, 2018, 02:29:32 AM »
I'm pretty sure summoning Outsiders at all gets a mortal on Mab's shit list, but I don't think it's going to become personal to the degree that Slate's punishment for betraying her was because of what the particular Outsider did. Attacking accorded neutral ground is only really a personal slight to her if it's perpetrated by a signatory. HWWBh attacked Mac's because Harry was there, not because the summoner actually had power over it and directed it to do so. So she has no reason to apply the laws of the boss being responsible for the vassal's actions - if anything, the summoner is the vassal of the Walker, even if deluded enough to think he or she is in charge of it.

Mab would have the summoner killed if at all possible, but probably on a "it's just business" basis. Either Harry gets a straight up hit order, or the Wardens get a tip about the whereabouts of an outsider-consorting warlock.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Is Mac God?
« on: April 18, 2018, 04:06:02 PM »
Quote from: Kindler on April 16, 2018, 05:56:01 PM
Things like that are homages, references, or in-jokes, and a reference to a town called "Corwin" is not a connection any more than dropping a line from "They Live" in the movie theater in Proven Guilty was. It's more than a long shot. It's a legal problem that Jim cannot (and wouldn't want to) overcome.

Supernatural had a reference mention of a clued cop in Chicago named Murphy. The Alex Verus series mentioned rumors of a guy in Chicago who flouted magical secrecy by advertising in the phone book.

These are inside jokes for the fans, raidem, not hints that all the franchises are in a common universe.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Adam & Eve = Starborn?
« on: April 18, 2018, 04:00:13 PM »
That seems a bit far to speculate, without any clues about whether the Genesis story is literal or 'correct history' in the DV. That might be an issue Jim would want to avoid poking into too deeply, lest he have to reconcile the Almighty and Archangels being real forces in the DV with 65 million year old T-rexes also existing. It just seems like a can of worms that's likely to ruffle some fans no matter how it's broached, so the incentive to avoid it is strong.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Will Harry get pulled through a mirror?
« on: April 17, 2018, 07:26:57 PM »
Quote from: WereElephant on April 17, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
Corollary question: will Harry's alter ego come through to this side of the Mirror as a result?

I'm guessing not. The summoning duplicates strategy is a lot less useful if you have to abandon all your prepared strongholds, plots and alliances to go live in the victim's universe after pulling them over to take the fall for you.

Plus Jim teased the plot as alt-Harry summons prime Harry and gets more than he bargained for. It's just fundamentally more interesting if the two of them are in direct conflict rather than switching universes.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirrors
« on: April 17, 2018, 07:22:49 PM »
Quote from: RobReece on April 17, 2018, 05:03:38 PM
But on a side note, I think that Jim's posturing over how he didn't know which route Harry would take in Changes is just that, posturing.  He already had the series outline and I think it would have been much more difficult to stay within that original story line if he had made any other choice... but it's a nice line to hear in his interviews...

I think he only meant that the broad outlines like what the case is and which antagonist he's putting Harry up against are planned out. So for example, Skin Game would still have worked if he was directly beholden to Nicodemus but trying to ensure a mission fail, instead of on loan from Mab and trying to ensure a mission fail. Which is an interesting point, because if Cold Days could still have shaken out similarly with Denarian Dresden, it's another circumstantial bit of evidence for the Denarians being anti-Outsider.

Going with the Darkhallow would have been a harder choice to write, because it's virtually impossible to keep the audience rooting for a character who's life-drained thousands to tens of thousands of people to fuel his own power. There's no reason Harry couldn't have gone on to use that power against N-fected Maeve and then Nicodemus, but a Darkhallow probably would have left him overpowered for those to even be interesting adversaries.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story's Lash
« on: April 16, 2018, 10:52:15 PM »
Quote from: Griffyn612 on April 16, 2018, 04:59:48 PM
If (and again, a big IF) Inez was Lash and/or Bonnie, then they might not have had the power/freedom to act on their own.  They might have had to have borrowed power from Mab to appear to Harry.  If so, then Mab's agenda could have been rubbing off on the communication, especially if they were supposed to be acting on her behalf.

I think Inez = Bonnie is a the bigger stretch of the two. Inez seemed a little too on the ball for somebody who has pure zero context to understand the knowledge at her disposal. Like, "pancakes aren't sentient" is progress for her.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Theory question KoTC killing Immortals/Mantles
« on: April 16, 2018, 10:44:08 PM »
Quote from: Lost Merlin on April 16, 2018, 02:30:03 PM
I don't know that I would classify Demons as being just like Wyld Fae.  Demons are there to hurt and enslave to me that is inherently evil. Even Chauncy who has been polite a was still just playing the long game to get Harry over a barrel and see if he could pull him down.  Demons have shown real power in the books.  Whether you look at the one in storm front or the one Kravos summoned before GP.

There's hell demons and nevernever demons. Like, the toad dude Victor Sells was using as a hit man wasn't affiliated with hell.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mavra and a Coin?
« on: April 16, 2018, 03:10:01 AM »
I'm in the theory camp that a BCV just isn't close enough to a human to be compatible as a host, given the "tainted by something hideous and unworldly". That phrasing of "unworldly" sounds like it might be a hint that they're linked to the Outside, and there's that WOJ that Harry telling Lash right before she sacrificed herself that he'd want answers about Maggie Sr. - Outsider - Black Court connection that it was not a type for "Black Council". If the Black Court are Outside-affiliated, and those of us who think Deirdre's talk of the Denarians "saving the world" are correct in interpreting that as save it from the Outsiders via scorched-earth tactics, a blampire might even be outright on the Fallen's enemies list. Even if that's not quite it, everything Nic said about hating the Red court (asthetically gross, and competing powers with growth potential are a threat to his own plans) goes for the Black as well.

Mavra probably will have had some sort of power growth to stay threatening (besides the soulfire and Winter powerups, there's also whatever the Word of Kemmler taught him necromancy could do to the BCV). But she can do that by having learned a MacGuffin of her own from Kemmler's book, and / or by coming back at the head of a scourge of a bunch of low-level mooks to distract Harry next time she shows up.

Although, like Harry himself, Mavra is quite capable of threatening adversaries of greater raw power by superior planning and sneakiness. With vampiric speed and her ability with veils, she could be incredibly dangerous just running around invisibly skewering people on a sword or breaking necks.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could a Wizard make a Coin?
« on: April 15, 2018, 03:27:51 PM »
Well, Harry can make a new skull for a spirit of intellect. And anybody walking around as a "naked soul" like he was in GS can inhabit such a skull.

But I tend to think a human wizard would have trouble with the part about dominating the soul of whoever picks up the object they transferred their essence into. The Fallen can do that because they're vastly stronger, smarter and trickier than any human, not because of a spell on the coins - and even they need the host to somewhat agree to partnership or surrender.

An artifact vessel might be of some help to a necromancer spirit like Corpsetaker's, but the fundamental limit of having to either convince someone to give up (like she was attempting with Mort) or be crazy enough to manifest for a forced swap is seems like a pretty hard-coded limit in how things work.

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