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DF Spoilers / Can one of the Fallen become infected by Nemesis? And if so...?
« on: April 16, 2023, 06:49:42 AM »
There's no way to be certain, but I want to run a WAG by everyone that relates to a nemfected fallen angel. But first, I want to give some context to put this idea into perspective. In White Night, Harry has a conversation with Lashiel's shadow in which he claims that she had changed from when Harry first picked up the coin:
Lash - "You. Cannot. Change. Me."
Harry - "You're right. I can't change Lasciel. But I couldn't prevent Lasciel from walking out of the room, either." I eyed her hard and lowered my voice. "Lady, you ain't Lasciel."
So, from the above bit of conversation it appears the Fallen are immutable, it is only their shadow form that can be altered through contact with a mortal. However, Outsiders aren't mortals. Nemesis isn't a mortal. What if the Fallen are not invulnerable to becoming nemfected? Equally important, why would I think one of the Fallen might be nemfected? Well, there is this bit of conversation between Harry and Nicodemus in Small Favor:
Harry - "Tessa and Rosanna," I said quietly. "They got their collection of thugs back. They bailed at just the right moment to ruin your plan, too."
Nicodemus - "Deceitful bitches," Nicodemus murmured. "One of them is our own Judas; I was sure of it." ...
Harry - "And you're telling me this why?"
Nicodemus - He shrugged a shoulder. "It's somewhat ironic, Dresden, that I can talk to you about this particular aspect of family business. You're the only one that I'm sure hasn't gone over to this new force-this Black Council of yours."
The hypothetical Black Council, a group of human wizards and other supernatural beings who appear to be in league with the Outsiders, with Nemesis. And Nicodemus thinks Tessa or Rosanna is one of them. We've only seen Rossana in Small Favor, which makes it difficult to judge her words and actions in that novel as being anything but that of one of the Fallen and her collaborating mortal partner. I didn't get any vibes in Skin Game that Tessa was acting against her nature. That would be a major clue that she was nemfected. I find it difficult to believe that one of the Fallen would ever enter into a long-term alliance with Outsiders. They might do it on rare occasions but only if they thought they weren't helping to bring on the end of reality, the thing the Outsiders want most. That is why I think one of the Fallen would have to have been taken over by Nemesis to do its bidding.
However, there's a problem with Nicodemus telling us Tessa or Rosanna is Black Council. Think of a stage magician getting his audience to look one way while the real action is taking place somewhere else. Of course, the stage magician is Jim Butcher and he has every reason to misdirect the readers. I think Jim may have hidden the real traitor among the Fallen in plain sight. It’s Thorned Namshiel. He’s the Denarian who threw around hell fire at Arctis Tor. Mab confirmed that in her final conversation with Harry in Small Favor. Do you think Thorned Namshiel was just following Tessa’s orders when it attacked, or helped to attack Arctis Tor? He might have done so, but it doesn’t make much sense to me. It makes more sense to think that Thorned Namshiel had his own agenda or he was being controlled by Nemesis.
If the later is true, this doesn't mean that Marcone is nemfected, though he could be. Marcone might just be getting advise and training from a Nemesis infected fallen angel. Though at some point it might be beneficial or simply necessary for Nemesis to directly control Marcone. But; I can hear some people saying, Marcone and Thorned Namshiel helped to defend Chicago from Ethniu. I think Ethniu had her own agenda and there's no reason to think she was a Nemesis agent. It might be more important for Nemesis to build up Marcone's position in the supernatural world, especially in Mab's alliance, in order to help set up the sucker punch Nemesis wants to pull off to bring all the supernatural powers allied against it down.
The beauty of this scenario is this, if Marcone starts to act odd or out of character, most of us would think that is an indication that Thorned Namshiel is starting to take over and fully control Marcone. Most of us would never think that Nemesis was controlling Marcone. It could be a great surprise for Mab, for Harry and for the readers.
Lash - "You. Cannot. Change. Me."
Harry - "You're right. I can't change Lasciel. But I couldn't prevent Lasciel from walking out of the room, either." I eyed her hard and lowered my voice. "Lady, you ain't Lasciel."
So, from the above bit of conversation it appears the Fallen are immutable, it is only their shadow form that can be altered through contact with a mortal. However, Outsiders aren't mortals. Nemesis isn't a mortal. What if the Fallen are not invulnerable to becoming nemfected? Equally important, why would I think one of the Fallen might be nemfected? Well, there is this bit of conversation between Harry and Nicodemus in Small Favor:
Harry - "Tessa and Rosanna," I said quietly. "They got their collection of thugs back. They bailed at just the right moment to ruin your plan, too."
Nicodemus - "Deceitful bitches," Nicodemus murmured. "One of them is our own Judas; I was sure of it." ...
Harry - "And you're telling me this why?"
Nicodemus - He shrugged a shoulder. "It's somewhat ironic, Dresden, that I can talk to you about this particular aspect of family business. You're the only one that I'm sure hasn't gone over to this new force-this Black Council of yours."
The hypothetical Black Council, a group of human wizards and other supernatural beings who appear to be in league with the Outsiders, with Nemesis. And Nicodemus thinks Tessa or Rosanna is one of them. We've only seen Rossana in Small Favor, which makes it difficult to judge her words and actions in that novel as being anything but that of one of the Fallen and her collaborating mortal partner. I didn't get any vibes in Skin Game that Tessa was acting against her nature. That would be a major clue that she was nemfected. I find it difficult to believe that one of the Fallen would ever enter into a long-term alliance with Outsiders. They might do it on rare occasions but only if they thought they weren't helping to bring on the end of reality, the thing the Outsiders want most. That is why I think one of the Fallen would have to have been taken over by Nemesis to do its bidding.
However, there's a problem with Nicodemus telling us Tessa or Rosanna is Black Council. Think of a stage magician getting his audience to look one way while the real action is taking place somewhere else. Of course, the stage magician is Jim Butcher and he has every reason to misdirect the readers. I think Jim may have hidden the real traitor among the Fallen in plain sight. It’s Thorned Namshiel. He’s the Denarian who threw around hell fire at Arctis Tor. Mab confirmed that in her final conversation with Harry in Small Favor. Do you think Thorned Namshiel was just following Tessa’s orders when it attacked, or helped to attack Arctis Tor? He might have done so, but it doesn’t make much sense to me. It makes more sense to think that Thorned Namshiel had his own agenda or he was being controlled by Nemesis.
If the later is true, this doesn't mean that Marcone is nemfected, though he could be. Marcone might just be getting advise and training from a Nemesis infected fallen angel. Though at some point it might be beneficial or simply necessary for Nemesis to directly control Marcone. But; I can hear some people saying, Marcone and Thorned Namshiel helped to defend Chicago from Ethniu. I think Ethniu had her own agenda and there's no reason to think she was a Nemesis agent. It might be more important for Nemesis to build up Marcone's position in the supernatural world, especially in Mab's alliance, in order to help set up the sucker punch Nemesis wants to pull off to bring all the supernatural powers allied against it down.
The beauty of this scenario is this, if Marcone starts to act odd or out of character, most of us would think that is an indication that Thorned Namshiel is starting to take over and fully control Marcone. Most of us would never think that Nemesis was controlling Marcone. It could be a great surprise for Mab, for Harry and for the readers.