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For context of where I'm coming from with the title, I'm almost 50 and when I was a kid there was a political theory/common sense that if you create a policy to go after your enemies eventually no matter how well you think you crafted to prevent it being used against you eventually  it will be used against you so be careful with the "monster" that you make because it most likely will be your problem in the future.

Mab is building a “nuclear” option in Harry, but she is aware that she can't completely control him, and she also knows that he can take her out if he chooses to (with the bodies of two Ladies to prove it). Now her dilemma is that she sees (probably with Uriel’s help) something much worse than she can handle by herself coming and sees Harry (in much the same way Obi-Wan and Yoda spent 20 years building Luke into a weapon to use on Vader) as something she can mold into whatever she needs to get through it. But she doesn't just upgrade him i.e. have Lea or Vadderung teach him better magic or give him upgraded gear like Molly did.  And I don't buy or at least not completely buy the “she helps those who help themselves idea”. Why not just show him the big picture. If something is coming to destroy the whole world Harry would do anything he could to prevent that. Its where he keeps all his stuff and his daughter.

          Now as a father I understand the concept of introducing something to your kid too early for them to understand can lead to them using whatever it is poorly or even harm them (well by the third one at least).  But Harry has seen the outer gates he understands what is trying to get in and how bad it would be if that happened.  If Mab says to Harry, you are aware of my relationship with the watchman and you have seen the outer gates.  You have seen the imbalanced influence and power given to groups like Nicodemus and the Denarians.  Is it hard for you to see who the true adversary is and that this isn’t hyperbole when I say an apocalypse is coming.  Noth in that would be false and Harry would do a lot of things that he wouldn’t normally do.  But she doesn’t do that.  She gives him hints of the big picture and he is a better magic user and better fighter, but she knocks him down as often as she builds him up and more importantly, she sidelines/ distracts him as often as possible. Getting stuck on the island for a yr. and now getting married to Laura.

My question is, what is Mab doing that is so bad that Harry even knowing what is at stake that if he found out he would still put her down.  What if Mab knew that she was going to survive the battle in Chicago and she told Harry to kill Molly not to prevent what she would become with Mab’s power but to make Harry believe removing Mab dooms the world not because it would screw up the plans to save it because her replacement would make it worse.

          What if this is a phantom menace. Not from Mab but from Uriel.

As I have read and reread the series over the years the theme or meta narrative of the collapse or corruption of institutions that aren’t supposed to be able change because it is woven into who they are at the core of their being.  To paraphrase Lea shame is when you aren’t doing what you are supposed to do.  The fey, the archive, the white council and countless others all dealing with the same problem of corruption from within and abroad and their enemies united in their plan to destroy them.  Angels have fallen before, and they have taken others with them.  What if the craftiest spook angel who moves in the shadows has been playing the long con for the majority of existence. Who would suspect that the Morning Star and the Watchman have been in it together the whole time. Mab would, but how do you gather allies and weapons for a fight like that without tipping your hand.

  Because if there is one being in all of creation that could get Harry to whack Mab no matter how bad the fall out would be is Uriel. So, she teaches Harry the lessons he needs to learn the most (at least from her point of view (did you get the Obi-Wan call back)).  To think for himself and work no pun intended miracles with no gear or allies. This way he gets prepped for what is coming, and Mab minimizes the countless strings that Uriel can pull to use the weapon she built against her.  The line about Molly might not stop Harry but it might make him hesitate.  It would explain why when everyone, Harry included, says his allies is his greatest strength Mab wants him isolated.  We all assume that it’s so Mab can change him but what if because all the good guys are working for the bad guy.  It’s also one of the few scenarios that I can think of that is so much worse than what Harry knows is coming but telling him about it will almost guarantee him not being where he needs to be at the right time.  Because if Uriel could just pull the trigger so to speak himself, he would have.  I feel like this will be like the other wizard named Harry only someone who wants it for someone else and not themselves can touch it.  Everyone thinks that they can manipulate Harry to get it for them, but Uriel has been using them all.

Except for Mab savior of the universe.  Sorry for making you read the rambling thoughts that swirl in my head when I walk my dog (ironically named Maeve but not for anything that has to do with Dresden)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Has Carlos sided with the merlin against Harry
« on: February 14, 2024, 04:15:14 PM »
I think after you are almost killed 15 times for random strangers who just asked you to save them you get a little credit in the could I have become evil bank. Now granted harry could say that he is protected from the white court because of Murphy but is there really any proof that the council will accept from harry that he is his own man

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DF Spoilers / Has Carlos sided with the merlin against Harry
« on: February 09, 2024, 06:33:33 PM »
I was rereading the series and it seems to me that Carlos is no longer Harry's friend. Carlos knows that harry is "working the problem" of the black council from the other side but is constantly suspicious of him. He puts a tracker on harry then gets Harry's only other friends that are wizards to accuse him of being disloyal. The whole time giving the Morgan line if you have nothing to hide let me interrogate you until I believe you. When Harry needs to talk to people to prevent from being thrown out of the council Carlos puts him on a security detail so he can't. And when Harry asks where this is coming from he is told Anastasia. But if he switched sides to team merlin after the beating that Molly gave him it could be part of a plan to isolate harry to either take him off the table for whatever the upcoming starborn event is or to force harry to tow the line for the white council. Either way I expect that it will be Carlos who comes after harry next and will probably be in charge of monitoring harry now that he isn't a wizard anymore. I also expect that Carlos now blames harry for what happened to the other wardens with dracul

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DF Spoilers / Re: Master of the Future? The Fugitive...
« on: March 08, 2023, 05:19:09 PM »
If cowl was from the future why does he start fights that he loses so badly. Though it has the ring of an outsider title

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: January 26, 2023, 04:53:55 PM »
Though I have to say that the councils reasoning of we think Harry has been corrupted let's make sure that he only talks to monsters and let's take away our protection so he would have to make deals with them isn't what I would expect from a group of people with thousands of years of experience. It makes more sense if mab was behind it all. She never struck me as someone who shares well

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry should have trusted Ramirez
« on: January 25, 2023, 06:14:31 PM »
Has anyone brought up when Harry needed to be talking to people and reassuring them that he hasn't gone rougue Carlos forces him to work security. Carlos knew about the vote before Harry did and he chose let him get thrown out just to keep a closer eye on him. In my opinion Carlos has sold himself and is not Harry's friend

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Law
« on: July 08, 2022, 04:43:39 PM »
I'm still wondering why Harry didn't just throw the BMW into his house. Then do it again with every new car until the suit was dropped. He could do it under a veil. After 2 or 3 times he might stop saying hebe gebes

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DF Spoilers / a clue about harry's status *peace talks spoilers*
« on: August 08, 2020, 06:44:09 PM »
this may be nothing but in Christmas eve mab says to harry
(click to show/hide)
Its not a open declaration that he is a wizard in good standing but mab strikes me as a stickler for titles

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DF Spoilers / Re: What if its not Thomas
« on: July 16, 2020, 07:52:19 PM »
all im saying is that he only mumbles Justine and is badly hurt. then they say that his demon might be in control and that he isn't Thomas any more.  That makes me see a sucker punch coming. And maybe Laura is part of it

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DF Spoilers / What if its not Thomas
« on: July 16, 2020, 06:06:09 PM »
we are told its Thomas but every time someone sees him there is a disclaimer that he is so messed up that they cant be sure.  what if he is a Trojan horse to get onto the island?

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DF Spoilers / Re: !!!SPOILERS!!! PEACE TALKS !!!SPOILERS!!!
« on: July 14, 2020, 02:34:41 PM »
I have to say i enjoyed it a lot. That being said if there wasn't an other one coming out in 2 months i would be annoyed that this was a set up book. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
« on: March 12, 2020, 06:22:22 PM »
Harry (at peace talks): hey ivy, wheres kincade?
Ivy :I let him go
Harry : I'm sorry to hear that by the way have you heard about my daughter who is about the same age you were when we first met and who is the most important person in the world to me
Ivy : explosions

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DF Spoilers / Re: Faeries tithe to Hell
« on: February 27, 2020, 09:26:34 PM »
there is a giant (and updated)statue of the winter ladies in Hades. if that is not enough of a link to hell for you i don't know what is. Also there was on statue for summer

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DF Spoilers / new mirror mirror idea
« on: February 10, 2020, 09:28:58 PM »
So with the new short story we have a new spin for a mirror mirror.  What if Morgan got to harry 11 hours earlier and raised him as his apprentice.  Harry now becomes that unstoppable warden that haunted his nightmares.  But he never becomes the guy at the center of the problems. The faeries are at war, the red court is at the height of its power and the circle rules supreme.  And that harry, desperate to hang on to the old ways that he was raised to respect and uphold, (after the Sr council was killed by a new god cowl) breaks and goes full Vader. All in the name of doing good and saving the innocent

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DF Spoilers / Re: Morgan Micro Fiction
« on: February 07, 2020, 07:13:00 PM »
I like the idea that harry's dad died of natural causes and lea hid him from every one until his powers manifested then tipped off Justin.  Its her and Mab's style to make you get better by putting you in horrible situations over and over again until you can stand on your own two feet or get killed. If its not natural causes then it was probably Justin and he picked Harry up later when he really needed someone and could be molded

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