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The Dresden Files => DF Spoilers => Topic started by: Regenbogen on February 28, 2023, 08:50:28 AM
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Hey, everyone!
Now, who is looking forward to the short story about Mouse and Cerberus?
I do!
Though I'd prefer a new Dresden novel, of course. And the new Cinder Spires.
But in this collection there are several stories by several authors I am interested in. For example one by Patricia Briggs about the werewolf Sherwood and his kitten Pirate I am looking forward to. In the last main novel Sherwood's I wonder if it is from his point of view or from the cat's. Though I expect it to be from the werewolf's POV. She has never done an animal POV before.
Still I hope after the release there will be news about the progress of Olympian Affair, like is he done now and in the editing process or is he still writing. Something like that.
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Now, who is looking forward to the short story about Mouse and Cerberus?
<raises hand>
I am, for sure!
Still I hope after the release there will be news about the progress of Olympian Affair, like is he done now and in the editing process or is he still writing. Something like that.
That'd be very nice! Not really expecting it, though.
If he is planning to drop some news, I expect he'll delay for a week or three, so as nor to overshadow the release of Instinct.
He has to have been done with the short-story for months, now (since the project has gone through editing and been printed & shipped). So he *could* be planning a news drop, but I don't think so: if he had wanted to do so, he could have released info a while ago.
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See, now there's another reason I hate to jump into anthologies... if I buy it, and like it, I have a spoiler on Briggs already... better to do things in non-continuity...
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There are three snippets on the website, and Mouse goes all Michael Carpenter on someone.
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Read it, my theory of the Nemean Lion was correct, as to who would make the most suitable host. And that Cowl really isn’t a cat person, he doesn’t understand them.
Maggies temporary baby sitter is I think Stheno the Gorgon and sister of slain Medusa.
We learn that as implied in Zoo Day My Shadow was taken by Cowl which confirms another theory on my read through of Blood Rites, that Cowl was responsible for the puppies abduction, and that he was based in Chicago even then and that MyShadow is called Ash (probably due to the building fire) and that he is a very bad boy.
There are four practitioners in Chicago capable of banishing the Lion we would certainly include Harry, and this would also be within Morts bailiwick and power set, he has the sheer will shown in Ghost Story. The other two? Molly but who is number four? Sarissa ? Was Cowl counting himself? An unnamed practitioner stationed by the White Council to keep an eye on Harry? Miss Laplander?
Maggie is currently staying in the school dorm, rather than with the Carpenters.
The Castle has been set to disperse illusions and veils in its vicinity. No Gargoyles, so would appear to be set before the Good People/Christmas Eve and as this is a personal attack by Cowl against Harry, I suspect it takes place after The Law, and Cowl call’s Harry by name a pain in the ass, suggesting a degree of familiarity not previously present in their relationship, which slightly advances my Cowl is Nameless theory as does his proximity to Chicago. One further new clue as to Cowls identity
“Cerberus let out a little growl. “When it escaped Hades, the Lion had help from the outside. And now there is a force at work against me. Not mortal magic, nor divine in the way I have come to know it.” Sounds very much like a Demi-God to me… and it took a Demi-god Heracles to subdue the Lion in the first place. Cerberus alludes to it being similar to Mouse but Cowl later claims he freed the Lion. Nameless, Mouse and MyShadow are all scions of gods/divine beings.
Oh and partial confirmation of my theory by Mouse that Ronald McDonald exists in the Dresdenverse as an entity. Wasn’t expecting that. Urgh this leads to the possibility Ronald McDonald is Cowl.
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Molly is the Winter Lady, not the Lady of Chicago. She's based out of Arctis Tor (or Arctis Minora). She barely uses her apartment. When she's in Chicago she's a tourist. Plus, Mab keeps her moving. And that's intentional.
My guess would be Harry, Marcone, Butters, and Mort.
The unknown magic was Ash, Mouse's 'My Shadow'. Cowl calls My Shadow by that name several times.
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... Ronald McDonald exists in the Dresdenverse as an entity. Wasn’t expecting that. Urgh this leads to the possibility Ronald McDonald is Cowl.
;D ROFL!!!
But no.
If Ronnie McD exists, so does BK's "The King" -- and as Jim likes to torment Harry, Cowl-as-baddie would have to be from Harry's favorite fastfood. ;)
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They are the Mab and Titania of the Burger Courts.
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They are the Mab and Titania of the Burger Courts.
Wendy's is right in there, though, same-size as BK at 7-thousand-ish stores (vs. 13K for McD).
Subway is bigger than either (at least, in the USA).
So's Starbucks.
Pizza Hut, Dunkin'Donuts, and TacoBell are up there, too.
I'm not sure the "faerie court" model is the right one... Faeries as burgers, and the other foodstuffs as other Supernaturals?
Faeries as Burgers? Pretty sure Mab & Titania would vie for the right to kill you, for that one...
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Wendy is Kumori.
Peabody was in fact Colonel Sanders.
Kringle is a shill for Coca Cola.
All McDonalds back onto McDonaldsland in the NeverNever. Never open a Gateway in one of their restaurants, especially under the Goldern Arches.
The McDonalds arrangement of happy birthday is a summoning ritual. The clown appears.
It’s belief which creates new entities in the NeverNever - so high profile fast food, cereal and sports mascots toys and cartoons will become embodied. This means there should be a Brown Court ruled by Count Chocula whose sworn mortal enemy is Lacuna. After the sugar high of the cereal, the crash coming down is actually the Brown Court drawing off a bit of life force, sometimes fatally, the Brown Court are cereal killers you know.
This would be something which really should be investigated in the Maggie and Mouse series, Maggie destroys the Brown Court of Vampires, just like her dad.
On a more serious point, Harry was able to form a mind touch with Elaine, so surely he should be able to do the same with Mouse? The bond was formed through love, and since then Harry has gained Soulfire making the forging of such a bond easier.
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Elaine is human, Mouse isn't.
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Ah yes, Mouse is a semi - divine Foo dog who appears to have access to Soulfire just like Harry, and both dearly love each other. Plus Harry has had mental links with Lash a non-human. Silly me.
It does mean forging such a link wouldn’t be a third law violation, it would skirt it like Sue.
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Elaine is human, Mouse isn't.
That might not be the critical issue. If forced to guess, I'd guess a "mindlink" spell is possible, but very-much harder than with humans. Alfred has a link to Harry, but Harry just speaks when he needs to communicate to Alfred.
I suspect a sharp demarcation at "can/cannot soulgaze." Mindlink spell is (relatively) easy with someone a wizard can soulgaze, relatively-hard with someone who cannot be soulgazed (and Mouse cannot, or it'd have happened -- dog & their owners do look at each other, making eye-contact!).
Really, though: it depends on whether Jim wants it, or not. I think he's actually happy with the state of "wordless communion" between Harry & Mouse... Harry talks at Mouse, who woof's, or sneezes, or just rolls his eyes.
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... Plus Harry has had mental links with Lash a non-human. Silly me.
Lash is just as human as Harry.
Lasciel isn't; but the Shadow was -- essentially -- a form of insanity imposed upon Harry by the Fallen Angel.
A "dissociative identity disorder" existing in Harry's own brain.
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That might not be the critical issue. If forced to guess, I'd guess a "mindlink" spell is possible, but very-much harder than with humans. Alfred has a link to Harry, but Harry just speaks when he needs to communicate to Alfred.
I suspect a sharp demarcation at "can/cannot soulgaze." Mindlink spell is (relatively) easy with someone a wizard can soulgaze, relatively-hard with someone who cannot be soulgazed (and Mouse cannot, or it'd have happened -- dog & their owners do look at each other, making eye-contact!).
I don't rule out the possibiliy of a link, just that it is easier with another human. As for lash or Alfred, they are DESIGNED to communicate with humans, it is a key function - in Lash's case, absolutely essential.
Are mental links a violation, or is CONTROL a violation? I don't think Mouse and Harry communicating is a violation, enslaving Mouse would be. (also likely a bad move - I think the beast has mojo). And even Michael has been known to use them - when Kincaid was hurt, Michael said "It's not his time" "how do you know?" "I asked"
I'd also guess that creatures of a certain level don't get auto-soulgazed. I don't think you can stare at Uriel and forge a link unless he permits it.
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Michael has a hot-line to Uriel who works with the Angel of Death, its prayer not a mind-link it’s interesting though that Kincaid the Hellhound is on Uriel’s radar in a good way. This would suggest Kincaid is on a redemption arc
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... As for lash or Alfred, they are DESIGNED to communicate with humans, it is a key function - in Lash's case, absolutely essential ...
I repeat: Lash isn't a separate "entity." She's part of Harry's own mind.
... Are mental links a violation, or is CONTROL a violation? ...
The 3rd Law is, "Thou Shalt Not Invade the Mind of Another." That seems pretty straight, but there's ambiguity on what constitutes an "invasion" (I think, after Peabody, the Council lightened-up a bit in their attitudes toward psychomancy). "Control" has its own whole Law of Magic! "Thou Shalt Not Enthrall Another" is the Fourth Law. Again, it's nice and simple on the face of it, but admits of a large gray zone when you interrogate "enthrallment."
Even a 100% mutual & consensual mindlink spell (such Harry & Elaine used) would previously (pre-Peabody) have been seen as at least highly-dubious (likely contributing to fears & allegations of black magic, tho not seen as proof-positive, telling at trial but only circumstantial evidence).
Now they see the need to work on mental defenses, and so they need to work more robustly with the techniques and methods, and so they need to allow such minor and innocuous magics.
The key issue is willingness. In particular, reading the mind of someone who hasn't given their active consent is forbidden.
... And even Michael has been known to use them - when Kincaid was hurt, Michael said "It's not his time" "how do you know?" "I asked"
I that think Michael is telling Harry he asked in prayer -- and got an answer. That's not mindlink magic.
... I'd also guess that creatures of a certain level don't get auto-soulgazed. I don't think you can stare at Uriel and forge a link unless he permits it.
Given that a much weaker angel shut down Harry's Sight, I agree.
But also, recall that most creatures don't get soul-gazed at all. Outside of humanity itself, I think it's pretty rare.
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I repeat: Lash isn't a separate "entity." She's part of Harry's own mind.
No, I don't think you can say that, she started out as the Shadow of Lasciel who eventually morphed into Lash. Actually I think in the end Bonea will turn out to be Lash.
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Hey this connection might be a bit weak but I noticed two scenes that are sorta linked that have made me believe that Justin is really cowl.
One is this scene in fugitive
“Harry,” Cowl muttered, staring at me. “You are an almighty pain in my ass.” The fires leapt higher on the other side of the farmhouse, and the shadows darkened. Now we came to it. “Ash,” Cowl said. “Nix his aura if you please.”
You'll notice that cowl refers to Harry as Harry but also cowl says "if you please"
The second scene is one which occurs in ghost story
"In my peripheral vision, I saw Justin turn back to his book. “Once more, if you please.”
Again I know its sort of a weak link but the fact that cowl referred to Harry as Harry in a familiar way and the fact that cowl and Justin both say "if you please" also by Jim's own admission he's a lazy writer and if something is in the story it's for a reason, I'm convinced that Justin is Cowl.
What do yous guys think?
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No one on the Justin is Cowl team has pointed out that he called his Foo Dog Ash, Justin who they think supposedly burned to death.
Still think Nameless is Cowl.
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Because the Justin is Cowl team doesn't think he burned to death. The good guys in the books do. We just disagree on which WoJ is a deception. He could call the dog Ash because it was the one he saved from the burning building Harry fled from with Mouse and his littermates.
You do realize that Justin could be Cowl and Nameless could have still done all the other things you conjecture as one of his allies on the Black Council. The only theory of yours it upsets is Cowl's identity.
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Michael has a hot-line to Uriel who works with the Angel of Death, its prayer not a mind-link it’s interesting though that Kincaid the Hellhound is on Uriel’s radar in a good way. This would suggest Kincaid is on a redemption arc
And who is to say prayer is NOT a specific kind of mind link? just the message is to/from a higher being?
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... As for lash or Alfred, they are DESIGNED to communicate with humans, it is a key function - in Lash's case, absolutely essential ...
I repeat: Lash isn't a separate "entity." She's part of Harry's own mind.
No. She is implanted in his mind. If it was just his mind, how did he learned to speak Etruscan, or Sumerian (is that what the ghouls spoke?), or know how to dislocate his thumb to slip cuffs? Improve his guitar playing? Another entity had to be there whispering in his ear.
The 3rd Law is, "Thou Shalt Not Invade the Mind of Another." That seems pretty straight, but there's ambiguity on what constitutes an "invasion" (I think, after Peabody, the Council lightened-up a bit in their attitudes toward psychomancy). "Control" has its own whole Law of Magic! "Thou Shalt Not Enthrall Another" is the Fourth Law. Again, it's nice and simple on the face of it, but admits of a large gray zone when you interrogate "enthrallment."
Even a 100% mutual & consensual mindlink spell (such Harry & Elaine used) would previously (pre-Peabody) have been seen as at least highly-dubious (likely contributing to fears & allegations of black magic, tho not seen as proof-positive, telling at trial but only circumstantial evidence).
Now they see the need to work on mental defenses, and so they need to work more robustly with the techniques and methods, and so they need to allow such minor and innocuous magics.
The key issue is willingness. In particular, reading the mind of someone who hasn't given their active consent is forbidden.
What about talking? Seems the Merlin was giving orders in the mistfiend fight? Did anyone ask for that? That was a conversation, mind reading is snooping. If I invited you in, and go to get refreshments in the kitchen, mind reading is rummaging thru my desk. Not implied by letting you in.
If we look at another UF world, Atticus has a link with Oberon - he "talks" to him, but no more compulsion than any dog owner would have on his pet. Why can't Harry and Mouse?
I that think Michael is telling Harry he asked in prayer -- and got an answer. That's not mindlink magic.
Unless a prayer IS a mindlink from a higher being.
But also, recall that most creatures don't get soul-gazed at all. Outside of humanity itself, I think it's pretty rare.
Maybe you NEED a soul, and non-sentient beings may not usually have that.
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And who is to say prayer is NOT a specific kind of mind link? just the message is to/from a higher being?
Uriel is an intellectus, it’s like Harry writing a note to Ivy, when someone prays. It’s just that Michael has been assigned his own ring-tone. Probably Amazing Grace, as I believe he once sang it. Harry’s is the main theme to Star Wars, Butters is of course Polka, Sanya ? I like to think the theme to Tetris, Shiro? Something by Elvis obviously. Murphy “I fought the Law, and the law won”
Mouse I believe has a Grace, meaning he is mostly soul.
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No, I don't think you can say that, she started out as the Shadow of Lasciel who eventually morphed into Lash.
I think Lash became her "own person" (an independent entity) only at the very end.
When she exercised her free will, for the very first time... and chose to die in order to save Harry.
Before that, she was essentially just an automaton, going through the rotes that Lasciel had programmed into her.
Actually I think in the end Bonea will turn out to be Lash.
Although I think it unlikely, though not impossible.
WoJ says that Bob had a similar origin to Bonea (by that I presume he meant that:
- the Shadow of a supernatural heavyweight was placed into the mind of a mortal wizard
- the then Shadow developed Free Will
- the Shadow performed some act of sacrifice/love/etc
This created a new spirit (who we know as Bob the Skull).
A key issue, for me, is that we can take Bob's word as a matter of core expertise; it isn't just general "probably this way" magical theory, which Bob can get wrong (particularly when he strays into matters of "Soul" and "good-vs-evil" and areas outside his academic core).
But how he himself was created? How this works, in general?
I gotta presume Bob knows about this stuff... And Bob thnks Lash is gone.
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And who is to say prayer is NOT a specific kind of mind link? just the message is to/from a higher being?
The Dresdenfiles canon itself.
"Mindlink" is thing of magic; there needs to be a spell cast. Spell-casting is a relatively-rare ability, even the minor talents like Charity's and the Ordo Lebes's.
But anyone can pray. Everyone can pray.
Maybe when you get an answer, that's "mindlink" style "magic." Maybe -- since God has that whole "omniscience" thing goin' on -- God has a continual Mindlink to everyone.
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The Dresdenfiles canon itself.
"Mindlink" is thing of magic; there needs to be a spell cast. Spell-casting is a relatively-rare ability, even the minor talents like Charity's and the Ordo Lebes's.
But anyone can pray. Everyone can pray.
Maybe when you get an answer, that's "mindlink" style "magic." Maybe -- since God has that whole "omniscience" thing goin' on -- God has a continual Mindlink to everyone.
Prayer can be REQUESTING a link, but some entity with more power has to establish it to get two way comm.
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I think Lash became her "own person" (an independent entity) only at the very end.
When she exercised her free will, for the very first time... and chose to die in order to save Harry.
Before that, she was essentially just an automaton, going through the rotes that Lasciel had programmed into her.
Although I think it unlikely, though not impossible.
WoJ says that Bob had a similar origin to Bonea (by that I presume he meant that:
- the Shadow of a supernatural heavyweight was placed into the mind of a mortal wizard
- the then Shadow developed Free Will
- the Shadow performed some act of sacrifice/love/etc
This created a new spirit (who we know as Bob the Skull).
A key issue, for me, is that we can take Bob's word as a matter of core expertise; it isn't just general "probably this way" magical theory, which Bob can get wrong (particularly when he strays into matters of "Soul" and "good-vs-evil" and areas outside his academic core).
But how he himself was created? How this works, in general?
I gotta presume Bob knows about this stuff... And Bob thnks Lash is gone.
Lea is most likely Bob’s ‘father’, she is a dark muse giving inspiration in return for an early death. Remember Lash was able to act as a muse for Harry in playing the guitar. Her interest in children also has to be considered as does Bob’s excitement at seeing her when hiding from Winter. Jim has said we have seen Bob’s parents, suggesting that we have seen a mortal from about 1200 years ago, which is the Gatekeeper, possibly The prisoner in Demonreach, perhaps Nameless or here is a weird one mortal MAB before she became the Winter Lady. Timing would be right given what we know from Peace Talks, what if Mab wanted inspiration as to magic to be able to attract Merlin, got it, realised it was a death sentence and then took on the Winter Lady Mantle to survive it, as an immortal? Bob would then certainly have the requisite knowledge of killing immortals in that instance.
Under this theory Bob has two mummies, and it would be incredibly sneaky of Jim to do this, misdirecting all the readers.
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Lea is most likely Bob’s ‘father’, she is a dark muse giving inspiration in return for an early death ...
I think Lea and Mab are each likely candidates for the creation of the Bob-to-be Shadow.
Mab -- as the more-powerful, and the one prone to r-e-a-l-l-y long-term planning -- is IMHO more likely. In this WAG, Bob is actually a deep-cover Winter agent, an invaluable tool for mortal wizards... who don't realize that Mab set Bob's original programming in place. Bob is afraid of Winter (particularly Mab) precisely because (like Lash did) he gained his independence of the programming and "went rogue." Alternatively, Bob hasn't gone rogue, and secretly is still Mab's faithful servant; he's feigning terror as part of his cover, to deflect suspicion. Every time he goes on a "scouting mission" for Harry (or any other wizard) he has a chance to touch base.
... Jim has said we have seen Bob’s parents, suggesting that we have seen a mortal from about 1200 years ago, which is the Gatekeeper
The Gatekeeper is an interesting theory! I think it among the more-likely I've seen, in fact.
Rashid + Mab ? It works rather well, actually!
But do we know Bob's age that precisely, "about 1200 years"?
IIRC we only know that "Etienne the Enchanter" put Bob into the skull in "the Middle Ages." That might be as old as 450ish CE, as recent as 1500ish, depending on who you consult.
And I've got to point out that -- IIRC -- we know little to nothing about pre-Skull Bob... was he previously bound into a staff? A different skull? Did he lurk discorporate in caves for a century? Maybe he has a longer pre-Skull history than he has since Etienne! Maybe "Bob" was actually a "rough draft" or "proof of concept" project for what eventually became The Archive. (unlikely, I admit! But my point is: we have very little solid info)
... possibly The prisoner in Demonreach, perhaps Nameless
Anyone imprisoned in Demonreach is frankly too-powerful for the "mortal host" role; either could have been the Supernatural Baby-Daddy.
... or here is a weird one mortal MAB before she became the Winter Lady. Timing would be right given what we know from Peace Talks, what if Mab wanted inspiration as to magic to be able to attract Merlin, got it, realised it was a death sentence and then took on the Winter Lady Mantle to survive it, as an immortal?
Merlin's orgin was -- at least, Arthur was -- more like 1500-1600 years ago. Given the power Merlin displayed, and that we know he used time-related magic, the phrase "Merlin's Origin" may be a confounding one until canon or WoJ speaks unambiguously!
I'm not positive, but I *think* I recall WoJ that Lea elevated as Mab did; it was Mab's "patronage" that made Lea the power she is today. If I am recalling correctly, that would preclude the Lea+
Mab combo.
But I'm pretty sure Mab's ascension was part of a much-larger event involving a Starborn, and at least Amoracchius (maybe one or both of the other Swords, too).
Bob would then certainly have the requisite knowledge of killing immortals in that instance...
I presume most immortals have that knowledge.
Bob could have gotten it from virtually any Shadow-parent who was an immortal.
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Hey this connection might be a bit weak but I noticed two scenes that are sorta linked that have made me believe that Justin is really cowl.
One is this scene in fugitive
“Harry,” Cowl muttered, staring at me. “You are an almighty pain in my ass.” The fires leapt higher on the other side of the farmhouse, and the shadows darkened. Now we came to it. “Ash,” Cowl said. “Nix his aura if you please.”
You'll notice that cowl refers to Harry as Harry but also cowl says "if you please"
The second scene is one which occurs in ghost story
"In my peripheral vision, I saw Justin turn back to his book. “Once more, if you please.”
Again I know its sort of a weak link but the fact that cowl referred to Harry as Harry in a familiar way and the fact that cowl and Justin both say "if you please" also by Jim's own admission he's a lazy writer and if something is in the story it's for a reason, I'm convinced that Justin is Cowl.
What do yous guys think?
Maybe, but I think it's just that, as you say, Jim is a lazy writer. "Misplaced politeness & and a touch of formality" is Jim's signifier for the really dangerous villains, the ones who think:
Shadow, if you would, disable Dresden.
- Nicodemus Archleone, addressing Lasciel's Shadow (unbeknownst to him, now gone); Small Favor ch.45
One could, I suppose, argue that Nicodemus' different phrasing lends extra weight to the fact that Cowl & DuMorne used the same phrasing. But I find the argument tenuous, at best.
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Maybe, but I think it's just that, as you say, Jim is a lazy writer. "Misplaced politeness & and a touch of formality" is Jim's signifier for the really dangerous villains, the ones who think:
- Nicodemus Archleone, addressing Lasciel's Shadow (unbeknownst to him, now gone); Small Favor ch.45
OMG Chandler is actually Lucifer…….
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OMG Chandler is actually Lucifer…….
<sighs patiently>
No, no.
Chandler is Cowl.
(new WAG -- Jim has been reading fantheories obsessively. When we get the Big Reveal... Cowl is all of them, all the Cowl-ID WAG's (by way of body-hopping a la Capiorcorpus, mental domination a la Peabody (or Nemesis), etc).) :o ::) ;D
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Are you mad? Chandler wearing that ensemble? Preposterous!
Besides Chandler is kept close to the Senior Council in Edinburgh, no time for shenanigans in Chicago.
Unless he is time travelling.
I think the use of the British accent is mostly Harry having seen far too many movies with British actors as the villains - his mind interprets a villains voice as British if it is telepathic, the British prisoner, the walkers etc. We also have Binder and The Merlin antagonists of Harry. Chandler is most likely a diversion.
The rest is that it makes a comparison to Harry himself, the Blue Beetle, the T-Shirts, one entire novel has EVERYONE commenting that he badly needs a haircut. We don’t see villains who look and act like Harry (except the Nightmare)
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Chandler is missing and presumed dead at the end of BG. If he is Cowl and capable of time travel, he has a perfect cover story.
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I think we are due to meet Chandler again in Mirror Mirror, Harry needs someone who can give him exposition about the multiverse, and that was recently added to his cannon in Battle Ground, so I suspect Chandler will be called upon to be Basil Exposition.
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I know it is being a while with nobody posting here, but I've just finished the short story today and I want to comment about it.
I liked the story a lot, I think it was one of Jim's best. It was epic, with Cowl and legendary monsters fighting together. But it was also super cute. The way Mouse thinks about Harry, Maggie, Mister, Michael, Marcone was perfect. I also adored that Mouse thought the vest was magic.
Mouse learning a lot of things at school including reading :)
Will and Michael talking about Harry and his emotional status...so tender and sad.
Cowl mentioning Harry so casually, familiar...I think I am beginning to like the idea of Cowl being Chandler.
I thought several theories about who the 4 powers were. Mine is Harry, Butters, Mort and Marcone. Obviously Mac too but I do not think Cowl was imagining Mac involving in a "simple" case of murders. Perhaps Gard, Lapland?
Mouse powers are depicted with more detail here. I liked that. And I think he will be instrumental in the BAT.
But I am not sure what the plan for the children was? Feed him to the Lion, so Harry will be destroyed when he found that Mister had been the one doing the killings? I think that is a little weird. And Cerberus said Maggie was in danger but I do not see it in the story, There is no mention of any plan to hurt Maggie.
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The vest is magic, it’s Neuromancy (what Mab concludes about Harry’s use of Pizza in Battle Ground) Granny Weatherwax would be proud (she would call it Headology). Do you disagree with Mab and Granny Weatherwax? It’s a second instance of Harry using that form of magic.
Yep on the schooling, something which myShadow/Ash doesn’t know, giving Mouse a power up over his siblings.
By this point Harry should have met Nameless in The Law (the timeline hasn’t been updated suspiciously) I believe it is set after the first part of the Law, and it is Cowl/Nameless taking a rather petty personal revenge on Harry. Chandler was exceptionally well watched by the WC due to his field of study, and Cowl already had Peabody inside the WC.
I don’t think Cowl/Nameless knows about Namshiel. I don’t think he told either Gard or Hendrick’s. Mab didn’t know. Only Harry knows, and now Mab. So not one of the four. Molly would be the fourth I think, she is doing a lot of work in Chicago at this point. Not Mac retired. Not Gard - different pantheon, and contracted to Marcone, Not Lapland, she is bound to Nameless.
The plan I think was to power up the Lion with human souls utterly corrupting Mister and kicking Harry when he is down, that he loses another emotional support which would cause him to isolate from Maggie and put her at harm. As I said this is a petty revenge thing, not some grand plan to manipulate the WC or Vamoire Courts. Harry has personally embarrassed Cowl/Nameless now. A lion controlled Mister would also be a direct threat to Maggie who cuddles Mister in her sleep when she stays with her Dad.
The chickens, pigs and cows do not count, I believe Mister pre-Lion had already partaken of such livestock. If Harry had a cat flap he might have seen Mister trying to drag a dead cow through it. At 3 am.
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As far as we know, Chandler is MIA since the Drakul attack. And Peabody could be the proxy he used before because he knew he was under constant surveillance. Peabody was responsible of a lot of administrative things, who is not to say he was responsible of the measures about Chandler? By having him, Chandler could avoid do some things himself and also create some blind spots in the watch, allowing him to create his Cowl persona. His "field of study" fits very well in what we know about Cowl's plans for the future.
All that is just a WAG. I actually like Chandler so I would not like that he is Cowl.
About the 4, I do not think Molly was one. She is not "in Chicago" anymore and she is in another league. I do not think Cowl would have included her with the others. Your objections about the others are valid, I do not know.
Ok about the plan.
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Chandler also as a full backstory with the WC. He was apprenticed as a child and is an age of the other wardens in Carlos group. The timeline has Carlos born in 15 BSF so Chandler would expect to be born around the same year, which means that by Cowls first appearance in GP, Chandler still would have been an apprentice himself.
Drakul most likely saved Chandler because he was privy to all sorts of forbidden knowledge in the WC library. Harry on the other hand appears to have been restricted to the Children’s Section.
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Yes, I admit you are right in that.
Harry really should have been more curious. He is very aware that knowledge is power.
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Yes, I admit you are right in that.
Harry really should have been more curious. He is very aware that knowledge is power.
Mouse is.
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:) Most everyone is.
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As regards the four other practitioners in Chicago, you have to include Nameless. Unless of course Nameless is Cowl.
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I think Cowl was not including people who would not care for innocent people being murdered.
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But Marcone would, and Nameless works for Marcone.
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Who was it that passed the letter to Mrs. Spunklecrief telling Harry about events at Edinburgh in Changes? Chandler?
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Who was it that passed the letter to Mrs. Spunklecrief telling Harry about events at Edinburgh in Changes? Chandler?
Did you post to the wrong thread???
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No. It was in reference to the Cowl is Chandler talk. I was trying to establish that it was indeed Chandler that gave the letter Mrs. Spunklecrief. Lighten up on the "posting to wrong thread" question. It is tradition for threads to go to tangents at some point.
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Oh yes! It is an honored tradition here.
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Indeed but at use a segue.
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... It was in reference to the Cowl is Chandler talk ...
That wasn't "talk..." That was an offhand smartass remark.
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