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DF Spoilers / "Hooded one" is hood. Odin is Cowl.
« on: November 28, 2023, 08:08:47 PM »
First of all I know Cowl's identity is a well worn question, but after looking around the forum I didn't see this seemingly obvious idea put forward: Odin is Cowl.

So who is cowl and what do we know about him? He's a dude named for his attire, a cowl. His magic "feels" dark and powerful but mostly mortal. All the direct actions we've seen him take are doing one of three things:
1. Killing people or trying to kill people.
2. Stealing power and knowledge.
3. Manipulating the politics of various nations.

Who is Odin and what do we know about him? He's a dude nicknamed after his attire, a cowl (One of Odin's most famous names is Grimnir, from the Norse story Grimnismal. Grimnir means "hooded one". Dude's nickname is literally Cowl). In the dresdenverse he used to be a God, but became killable to stay involved in the mortal world (WoJ), so presumably his magic is "mostly mortal". All the things we've seen Odin do (and the things he does on 99% of the stories about him) are one of three things:
1. Killing people or trying to kill people (and titans).
2. Stealing power and knowledge (in the sagas Odin has like 5 separate stories about stealing power and knowledge, and he kills people in most of them. In one, mead flies out of his butt, at least according to Niel Gaiman.
3. Manipulating the politics of various nations.

Jim has said that some of the characters we think are nice are gonna wind up as traitors. That was pre-BG, so he could have meant Justine, but I'm always asking myself why one of the most sinister explicitly "black wizard" figures in mythology is portrayed as a really nice helpful dude in dresden files. Odin will seduce you then murder you because he wants to steal your dad's stuff. Dude is literally a necromancer. He isn't a nice guy. Also starwars fan Jim chose to use "Vader" in Odin's public persona.

A couple times Jim has said that giving readers clues is tricky, because sometimes he thinks things are super obvious, but reads miss them. I wonder if having a black wizard named "hooded one" out of mythology and having him disguise himself as a black wizard named "hood" is one of those.

"But wait," I hear you say, "Odin claims that he and Uriel have lunch once a year, and  One Eye's use of the Mr. Sunshine nickname supports the idea. Odin could be lying, but I'd he's telling the truth it implies Uriel would associate with an evil power!" Mab. Uriel worked with Mab. If you believe Bob, the archangels have even worked with Lucifer post-fall on Job. I admit that his association with Uriel is a big flaw, but it's not inconceivable to me that either the angels are more old testament than dresden realizes, or Dresden drawing a line between the Black Council and Nemesis is in error, the way Rashid's take in TC was.

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DF Spoilers / The White Council is kind of a Joke.
« on: April 22, 2023, 07:28:28 PM »
After a readthrough or two, either I'm missing something or the White Council is kind of a joke. If there is any in-setting reason why they've survived this long, it must be because they have benefactors helping them behind the scenes. I'm more of the Opinion that Jim just didn't really think things through, although I don't really blame him. There's that old thing about "write what you know". If you aren't a lawyer, don't try to write a detailed court procedure. If you don't have martial arts experience, don't try to write a detailed blow-by-blow of a clinch for a grapple, etc. Obviously good authors get around this by reading the writings of subject experts or directly consulting them, or they use abstraction to avoid the issue entirely. Robert Jordan wasn't an expert swordsman, but he has some of the best sword fighting sequences in fiction because he uses evocative but largely unexplained sword-fighting forms to describe actions. "Arc of the Moon countered Parting the Silk, which flashed into Heron in the Weeds," etc. Jim's problem comes from the fact that he isn't a .01%er, and there's (supposedly) no 300 year old illuminati guys to talk to in real life so he didn't think through how a group of hyper-rich information brokers would actually go about business.

Jim calls attention to the idea of how conservative long-lived organizations would work, but what exposition says and what the books actually show are very different. The Black Court is a perfect example of about how failure to adapt is absolutely fatal to long-lived beings. The black court have all the tools to be discrete manipulators on par with the white court, but they didn't use those tools wisely, so they were almost wiped out. They have infinite time, infinite money, can control the minds of mortals, have immense leverage when dealing with supernatural beings, and are massively dangerous if ever confronted directly, a lot like wizards actually. Predictably, the only ones that survived the stokerclipse were the ones who used those advantages, kept their head down, and mostly kept out of direct confrontations. Just like wizards. The problem is that how the wizards are described (how the mechanics of the setting established they SHOULD work) and how they act in the books are radically different.

They have wizards answering the phones? THEY HAVE WIZARDS ANSWERING THE PHONES??? It's an organization of 200 year old millionaires lead by a group of 300 year old billionaires, and they don't hire personal staff? Rich people don't do anything themselves. Once you get above a certain income bracket, you start hiring assistants, both because it's convenient, and because your time is way too valuable to be spent doing your own taxes, answering your business phone, or wiping your own butt. Yet you have wizards doing drudge work administrative tasks? Personally doing ground-level assessments of warlocks? Wizards aren't *just* hyper-rich elites, they're technical specialists whose talents require centuries of dedicated full-time practice to develop. It would absolutely be worth spending 100 grand a year or whatever to hire clued-in staff members to take care of all the little details. Peabody being a dedicated beurocromancer for the senior council doesn't bother me. Wizard Macfee(?) answering phones in Changes does. Morgan, head ass-kicker and #1 field guy of the council personally following around wardens for YEARS does. Captain Luccio, commander of the wardens, sitting in front of a phone on desk-duty in the middle of a crisis point during a war does. The White Council should have dozens of hundreds of staff members for every actual wizard, including a ton of mercenaries, allied spirits, and personal retainers to help in the war, yet when we see crisis points it's never a wizard and all their assets, it's two wardens and three noobies responding to a council-ending crisis, or six dudes on a boat coming to throw down with two of the most dangerous people alive. You'd think there would be dozens of wizards who made their fortune by building businesses based around providing confidential, clued in help for other council members, but the only person we ever see doing that is One-Eye.

By contrast, Harry is what, late thirties, early forties by the later books? And he has like a dozen people he can call on for help in a crisis, or even everyday tasks. Dude's got half a dozen warriors on hand, a pack of werewolves, several fae allies, multiple vampires, and a gang of favors he can call in. I get that he's a protagonist, punching above his age and means, but if he can get that in like 15 years as an active wizard, why don't the senior wizards have PILES of resources to call on? Even in emergency "the red court is actively kicking our asses" situations, why on earth wouldn't Luccio have hired some Einherjaren or whatever for the Darkhallow? Why are senior council members personally risking their lives to bring in a prisoner when they could whistle up a gang of spirits to go poke that beehive first? Personnel restrictions can be explained by the war, but not the bizarre risks taken by council members, or the sheer bizarre internal structure of the council. Why are wizards answering the phones? WHY ARE WIZARDS ANSWERING THE PHONES? I know this is an odd thing to fixate on, but imagine Elon Musk or Bill Gates or whatever sitting at a secretary's desk going down a call list verbally giving out an employee newsletter. Then remember that maintaining your talent as a wizard is a full time job on top of whatever other responsibilities you have. So Elon Musk is running his companies, personally doing secretarial work, and holding down a full time job as an engineering supervisor. What?

The mechanics of the setting have absolutely hammered home the idea that an organization that works as inefficiently as the council does should have been destroyed decades ago. For the last couple decades they've had Harry there personally pulling their bacon out of the fire, but what about the 100 years before that? It just really seems like the council should be gone by now. Lara Raith even calls them out for this in Turn Coat, but the text acknowledges the idea without actually implementing it. I really hope I'm just missing something, because it seems like a pretty big error.

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DF Spoilers / Harry's Moving Island of Avalon
« on: April 02, 2023, 10:11:33 PM »
Yo. Just finished my first readthrough of the series, started the audiobooks for my second readthrough. Came up with a bunch of theories, some of which I didn't see discussed anywhere here. The meatiest of them is this:

Demonreach the Island can move, or exists in multiple places in space as well as time.
I base this primarily off of the topography and geographical conditions that formed Lake Michigan, what I see as hints from JB, and inferences based on how we know the island's prison works.

Geography:
The closest natural "islands" to Chicago are Marina Island in St. Joseph, and Harbor Island in Grand Haven, both all the way over in Michigan 60 miles and more than 200 miles away respectively. On top of that, neither are proper islands on the lakes, they're points where rivers leading into the lake split and pour out into the lake with land in between, formed by rivers, not the glacier action that made the lake itself. Point being that there are just no "out in the lake" islands anywhere near Chicago (I know the text acknowledges this, but when JB ignores a basic physical law of reality such as how islands form, he tends to come up with a way to justify it). This is because the great lakes were formed by glaciers scraping over plains, which doesn't leave much room for big rocky outcrops that would eventually stick up above the lake's water level. The north part of Lake Michigan has plenty of islands, but zero proper natural islands in the south. On top of that, if you look at pictures of islands in the great lakes, especially the lakes in northern lake Michigan, you'll notice that they mostly all have a pretty similar look: low, earthen islands with gently sloping hills, dense tree cover, and they rarely ever reach more than 50 feet above water level. There are no high rocky hills towering over the landscape, that's more of a UK thing, *cough*.
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There was a much shorter, easier way, down what looked like a sheer rock wall. It proved to have an ancient narrow gully worn into the stone, almost completely hidden by brush.
This is odd for an island supposedly formed in the great lakes, since the vast majority of them are essentially big piles of silt and dirt deposited on a high spot in the lake bed, not rock outcroppings pushing up.
From turn coat. "Sheer rock" cliff in a region where islands are big silt piles covered in trees.
Hints:

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"Doomed warrior,"... Excalibur
If we assume the island can appear and disappear or exists in multiple places there is an Island of Apples in British mythology, one explicitly connected to Excalibur and the fae folk. An island to which a warrior who wielded Excalibur was taken away, to be kept on the brink of death, until he returns in their time of greatest need... Thomas? Freezer boy? Morgan? Michael already DID return. I mean seriously, the island were Excalibur is kept is explicitly connected with apples, doomed warriors and fae sorceresses? I felt dumb for not noticing the connection in TC when SG rolled around and JB hit us with a clue bat by sticking Excalibur on the island. Weird how much Harry is starting to parallel IRL Merlin myths, but that's been discussed at length.

As a side note, If Harry ever eats one of those apples and notes it to be oddly bland and bitter, we'll know they're heritage breeds of apples from an older age, before we made the big juicy sweet ones we have now by selectively breeding them over the past millennia or so. Apparently old-school apples were comparatively bitter and dry, which is why they were primarily used as stew vegetables or fermented into cider, rather than being eaten on their own. "Like a somewhat sweet potato".

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So I thought about hornet’s nests, and instantly felt certain that there were thirty-two of them spread around the hundred and fifty or so acres of the island, and that they were especially thick near the grove of apple trees on the island’s northern side.
This is noteworthy because apple trees are not native to North America. Since there was a town there, it's entirely possible the would-be settlers planted a grove, but to me this seems unlikely since the soil on any small islands, and midwestern islands (re: big silt piles miles from a river) in general aren't great for agriculture, so it seems odd to spend the time and labor to plant a whole grove near an island town that would have been a waystation with few if any permeant residents.

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There were deer on the island, though God knows how they got there.
I think this might be Jim trying to give a hint that there are more ways than "swim from chicago" to get to the island, whilst kinda showing a lack of knowledge about wildlife. Ungulates being present on islands many miles away from a mainland isn't strange at all. They can and do swim for many, MANY miles. This could be Harry's lack of knowledge, but since he's the tracker, "knows all the birds' names" Strider type, I'm guessing it's Jim. Overall I'd say it was meant as a hint.

How the island works:
To pull all this together, I'd point out the obvious and ridiculous tactical weakness of a static island in lake Michigan: you have to get big beasties from all over the world to a static island in lake Michigan. Even with the reveal in BG that you can work the binding from the shores of the lake, that only takes your local-use-only superweapon to a regional-use-only superweapon. I'm aware of the big summoning circle by the lighthouse, but think of the practicality of using it. We know from the Azothrogal summoning sequence in GP that summoning even a bog-standard demon can be quite a struggle. Yes, harry was a young puppy of a wizard, working with average tools, but I still think that the process of forcing a god or titan to respond to your summons, and then going through the psychic wrestling match of binding it would be too much for any mortal wizard. Demonreach didn't help with the spiritual struggle part of the binding, only with the locking up once Harry had won, so there's no reason to assume he'd help with the summons.

Further Speculation:
This whole situation starts to make way more sense if you can teleport the island to any body of water, or even to a number of fixed points. Five places in space, for 5 places in time, perhaps? Maybe it just exists in all 5 places at the same time, and Harry hasn't yet realized he can leave through any of them. I'm only aware of a couple of disappearing islands in mythology, but if we can lock down a few of them that could have connections with mythology addressed in the Dresden Files, you could narrow it down. Lake Michigan is one. Avalon somewhere around Britain would be another obvious one, what with the Excalibur, faerie queens, and repeated "doomed warrior" connections? Didn't Calypso or Medea have an island that could only be found once? That would cover the Mediterranean. Since the Japanese have approximately 250 million folk myths, I'd be shocked if they didn't have a moving island, which could cover east Asia. Makes me wish I'd read more mythology.

Apologies for the dodgy formatting, it's been a minute since I used a proper forum.

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