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Author Craft / Re: World building: my strength and my weakness.
« on: December 29, 2014, 03:29:27 PM »
Another way to help explain things that might work, depending on the story, is to have one of your characters talk to themselves fairly regularly, and occasionally get overheard by people nearby.  Writing a character that talks to themselves could be a challenge though.  Too much, and it seems too far-out weird.  I could easily see writing a story about Doctor Who, for example, and having them be a self-talker.  This would then give you handles to explain things in dialog when nearby people say "What?" or "No Way?" or "That's crazy." as they hear him mutter on about an idea.  Trying to imagine, oh, Captain America as a self-talker on the other hand, would be a bit more of a stretch, unless you're just going to have him count exercise reps.

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Author Craft / Re: World building: my strength and my weakness.
« on: December 28, 2014, 10:42:03 PM »
Something that I have found to be very handy at times for ME is to read out loud what I'm writing, and listen to it.  How does it flow?  Would I be keeping an audience's attention with verbal storytelling?

Clearly this doesn't work for everyone.  It doesn't always work for me.  However I know it helps me a great deal from time to time when something just doesn't feel right.

Something else that you may want to try to do, and this is a writer's trick that hit me like a brick when I first read it.  Put your world building in what your characters do and say, not as narration.  If your character is a competitive swimmer don't describe it as narration, have there be some interaction where the character being a swimmer fits in.  Their goggles fall out of their sports bag on the way to class and it sparks a conversation.  Maybe their backpack has sewn-on awards for swim meets that they took prizes in, and a classmate asks them what they are.  Metaphors and examples the character uses might be phrased in swimming terms.

Instead of building your characters alongside building your world, build your world by explaining how your character interacts with it.

I understand exactly what you mean by too much world building.  I tend to do the same.  However, I've made it more interesting for readers, I think, by focusing my world building into interactions.  The world building occurs as part of the conflict.

Then again, I may be telling you nothing new, and these ideas are things you already have tried :)

Best of luck!!

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Knights of Broken Swords is at 27,802 words including a little bit of header info for each of the five chapters.

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Author Craft / Re: rules on watching telivision for writers
« on: December 19, 2014, 02:03:36 AM »
I haven't had a TV of my own that has been used as a TV since 1989, so I don't need writer's tools for TV.  While I do have a small digital TV that is used as a monitor, it's never been tuned into any input but the video card of the computer.  I do watch TV when I'm outside the house at times, and every now and then I will Hulu something like Numb3rs or Dresden Files, but I lost patience with TV as a whole in 1989, and reality TV finished killing any interest I had in watching TV regularly.  With the exception of a couple educational channels, everything on TV is crap (IMHO).

That being said, I do have to be careful about MMO's and Youtube.  I spent about two hours the other day researching differences between friction-carved stone and knapped flint tools.  I had no idea so much time had passed until the alarm I had set to make sure I wouldn't be late to work went off.

Oh, and forums.  I spend too much time on forums if I'm not careful.  Err.  I have to go.

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Knights of Broken Swords is at 15,355 words including a little bit of header info for each of three chapters.

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: December 17, 2014, 12:38:45 PM »
A Million words of Fanfic?  Ohno!

Symbiote and Reject Hero are original works, around 700k between the two.

Arc and Knights of Broken Swords are fanfic.  Arc is less than 50k words.  Knights of Broken Swords will probably be less than 100k.

The next series project has a name though, that I came up with yesterday.  "Set in Stone"
I reserved a Wordpress address for it today, but am not going to begin working on it heavily until the current project is done.

Symbiote is consistently getting large number of hits every day (600+), even though it's been inactive for quite some time.  I plan on rewriting it with a more solid understanding of what will happen.  People like it now, but it's a bit chaotic, and I know there are places where things just don't make sense.

I've never taken a penny for any of my own writing so far.  I have considered it to be practice.  I think I'm to the point now where I could feel comfortable trying to sell E-Books.  If I can show that I can draw readers in an E-book, well, at that point I might consider a paper publisher.

One step at a time, even though I really have no clue where I'm walking.  I figure I'll get there sometime, wherever there is.

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: December 15, 2014, 04:49:20 PM »
Welcome farmerbob1. You've going JB's writing blog about technique? Checkout podcasts at writing excuses.com too. Both are invaluable! I've a writer's blog at megevonne.logspot.com as well. Happy writing journey!

You mean Jim's LiveJournal entries from years ago?  I've read through them and they are definitely very useful to me, at least I think they will be, when I actually start really planning something.  The first two chapters of my current crossover fanfic thing are pretty much entirely written already in my head.  I think I'm going to force myself to at least sketch out the story and chapter arcs tonight, before writing the second chapter.

Writing excuses?  Heh.  That's one thing I don't need.  I have to be careful to remember to sleep some days.  The only thing that sometimes interferes with my desire to write is my desire to play MMO games, which all get old again after only a couple days.  I used to be addicted to MMO's but it felt empty.  Now I know why, because I wasn't really creating anything there.  My addiction has shifted to writing.  Perhaps not a bad thing.  Well, definitely not a bad thing, but not always a good thing.

I love your fish app on your blog, though I must admit I was confused a bit before I realized that your blog was where you talked about writing in general, not where you did your writing.  Some of the articles had some mighty interesting titles, so I bookmarked you and will be returning to poke around more!

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With the name of the thread being a bit surreal, I was trying to figure out what this thread was for.  After reading through the first few pages, I realized I was being a dunce.  Since I do blog fiction, everything I write immediately gets published the day I write it - this also creates a backup on the blog.

Now that I know what this thread is about, I love the name  :)

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: December 14, 2014, 04:33:47 PM »
**Wall of Text Warning**

Well, I suppose I'm an author in progress.

A little more than a year ago, I was wandering through the Space Battles forum and saw a discussion about Endbringers vs. Mab, and I was curious.  So I looked up this online blogfiction called "Worm" by a fellow named Wildbow.  A million or so words later (literally), after I got caught up with the story, I started watching it for the twice a week updates.  I started participating in the fanbase discussions in the comments.

Seeing what Wildbow was doing, serial fiction, a couple times a week, made me realize that it looked like an ideal way for ME to practice writing.  I could get feedback from people on a daily basis.  I could watch page stats and see what people seemed to like.  It had been around 25 years since my last English class though, so I knew I would be terribly rusty.  At the same time, I had been told by lots of people in the long distant past that I was pretty good at writing interesting short fiction.  So I wrote my first serial fiction.  A fanfiction based in Wildbow's world of Worm, but with my own original characters.  Even now, it's pretty terrible grammatically.  I stopped updating it and making fixes after I started doing my own original writing.  On days when I think that my writing just sucks though, I can look at this link and realize what around 700k words written have done for me.  https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9523770/1/Arc

So after I finished Arc, I started my own original science fiction, one chapter at a time in a blog, like Wildbow.  I had already blown off a bunch of rust from my writing skills with Arc, but had no clue how much more improvement I could expect from myself.  I wrote somewhere around 500,000 words in Symbiote, over four "books" in a few months time.  I learned so much.  I also learned that I had a whole lot more to learn.  A bunch of people started following me, offering me feedback and pointing out my grammar errors, I also got some commentary about the actual meat of the writing.  It was all tremendously valuable.  Wordpress allows you to look at old revisions of pages, and I can tell you that the first few pages of Symbiote, as originally written, were terrible, horrible, awful.  More terrible to me now than the first chapter of Arc felt when I started working on Symbiote, which can be found here.  https://farmerbob1.wordpress.com/about/

Eventually though, I felt like I needed to move to a new project.  I had isolated some of my own writing faults and wanted a new universe to write in to try to isolate and address those faults.  I also wanted to write superpowered fiction.  So I started writing another original work, Reject Hero.  Reject hero is only one book, but it's a fairly lengthy one, at somewhere around 200k+ words.  Again, it is a chapter-based web blog.  http://rejecthero.wordpress.com/about/

Again, I learned a lot.  When I read some of what I think to be the best-written chapters in Reject Hero, I know full well that I've bought books that were written by less talented writers.  Not that I'm claiming to be GOOD, mind you, but I'm claiming to be better than at least some people who have managed to get themselves published.

One of the great things about blog fiction is that you get immediate feedback, after you have a established base.  I cannot stress enough how much that made a difference to me.  I have thick skin though.  Some people won't be able to deal with it, especially for their own original fiction.  Having some random person offer random criticism  can hurt.  A couple people have done so with big enough pointy sticks to hurt me, and I'm the guy that writes a chapter, and then drops the first draft onto the internet for followers to read.  Literally.  I typically at least do a quick read-through, but what hits the blog for my readers first is a first draft.  I have discovered that it helps me be a little more careful about what and how I write. (I do continue to update and correct when problems are brought to my attention.  The first post is sometimes significantly different than the final version, after I've poked at it a few times.)

My biggest weakness, however, is that I am a 'gardener' style writer.  However I have started to think that this might only be the case because I've been too lazy to actually write a framework for a book, and then fill in the chapters with *shudder* a pre-arranged sequence of events.  So my next two projects are going to involve me trying out this whole "planning" thing before I write, rather than putting butt-in-chair and letting the characters do what they want.

I realize that this whole planning thing is work, so I'm going to start with a small project.  I am now writing a fanfic where I plan to combine characters from two of my favorite original fiction writers.  Jim Butcher, and Wildbow.  I will be introducing Knight of the Cross Butters and his companion Bob to the Thorburn Bogeyman Blake and his companion Evan.  The short story crossover is called Knights of Broken Swords, and it can be found here: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10888845/1/Knights-of-Broken-Swords  (When I realized that two of my favorite authors each has characters who wielded broken swords, I simply could not resist using the two of them together in a fanfic.)  Only chapter 1 has been written at this point, but there will probably be a couple chapters a week for a few weeks until I finish the story.

And then I will be starting my third original work, in something that I had someone call a 'stonepunk' world.  I'm going to be trying several new things beyond simple planning in advance.  First, there will be no super powers or hyper-technology.  Everyone will be normal humans.  Second, I'm going to attempt to write it as rational fiction, as described over at /r/rational at Reddit.  Thirdly, I'm going to try to write it as a YA or light novel genre book, which will challenge me to keep my word count down, while keeping my information density high, and the action has to happen regularly.

I've heard people say that the first million words are practice.  I'm nearly done practicing :)

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